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post #81 of 411
Thank you Shay, well said. And I love your siggy.
post #82 of 411
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Sheesh. I KNOW that not everyone's children are like mine. Mine just happen to be very aware. You want I should lie or hide that? Mine are also very aware of the war, domestic poverty and many other social issues. That is just the way it is. I am not insulting anyone else's children by being proud of mine.
Honestly, I'm not even quite sure why you brought it up. Its great to be proud of your children, but in this thread.. it smacks of more elitist attitude.


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Originally Posted by shayinme
What you said really feels dismissive to the plight of others, why is it that we can care about people half way around the globe but have no compassion for our neighbors?

Thank you. Well said.
post #83 of 411
And while we're at it, how offensive is this title? Just because we try to save money does not mean we have no ethics.

Any other thread that assumed so much or had an insulting tone would be removed, but because it's acceptable to slam people for shopping at Wal-mart, it's OK to call us unethical?



You don't live here, and you don't get to tell me what is and is not ethical in my situation.
post #84 of 411
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Originally Posted by artgoddess View Post


I know the only time I've been to a Walmart the store was approximately the size of the state of Rhode island, and it was laid out in a way that you were sort of forced to go through many sections and different aisles to get to the item I needed, baby wipes. Are all of Wal Marts back to School items right up front and easy to get to?
You used babywipes? :

Kidding!

We're all too serious.
post #85 of 411
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If you wait a week or two, Target and Staples will have their huge back to school sales, and the prices are totally competitive
I don't have target or staples.

My kids have a mile long list of school supplies I have to have by Weds.
It's Walmart, Kmart, or Longs.
post #86 of 411
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Originally Posted by shayinme View Post

What you said really feels dismissive to the plight of others, why is it that we can care about people half way around the globe but have no compassion for our neighbors?
Because nameless, faceless poor people in another country won't argue with you on a message board, or realize that it's easier to care about complete strangers who can't disagree with you.

We're all compassionate in theory, but in practice it's hard to care when we don't like what we are hearing. And yes, I am including myself in the collective we.
post #87 of 411
bigeyes, I was replying specifically to the OP, that is why I quoted her.
I do not judge people who have no options. I have lived in very remote areas, and I have seen situations where WalMart is the only feasible option. The OP of this hread said she has lots of other options and she has the money to spend. So, I was giving her other options.
post #88 of 411
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Don't feel bad. Sometimes bashing financially poor people who shop at Wal-Mart is the only form of activism that some people get around to. Not pointing any specific fingers at anyone in this thread but MDC is one of the few places I know of where someone might rip consumerism in one thread while simultaneously checking out of Hyenacart with a $75 diaper and a $200 sling. It is well known that MDC is a tad elitist, people can argue all they like but I'm sure were we to break it down the numbers would not come out in favor of the marginalized folks.
Unfortunate, but oh so, true. While I have a small post count it's only because I had my last account deleted, I've seen this paradox here for years upon years.

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I don't want to be snarky but not everyone who shops at Wal-Mart is shopping there because they are just into consuming for the sake of consuming. Again not everyone lives in a place with a vast array of choices as far as shopping and for some people maybe the difference of a $1-2 here or there is not a issue but for some folks it is.

{snip}

What you said really feels dismissive to the plight of others, why is it that we can care about people half way around the globe but have no compassion for our neighbors?
So well said, Shay! Co-signed with underlines!
post #89 of 411
I so, so, SO see both sides of this issue.

I HATE shopping at Wal-Mart. It sucks. Every time I leave that place, I have a headache. I do go to Wal-Mart about once a month, even if I don't buy anything, because it is the only place in my county (which is bigger than Delaware) to recycle plastic bags. (So this is one good thing that WM does- some others are the big CFL push they did to help encourage the switch from incandescants, as well as being the biggest consumer of organic cotton.)

Honestly, I think Wal-Mart has been demonized. Oh, don't get me wrong, I believe every single negative thing I've ever heard about them. I just don't think that they are any worse than any other giant corporation. (Just like some pps pointed out, what makes KMart or $1 General or CVS better? They all buy imported crap and violate labor laws.)

One of the most successful Mom & Pop businesses in my hometown was (is) Cedar's. It was tourist heaven. Firewood, gas, propane, nice grocery section, big greenhouse, produce stand out front, gifts, souvenirs, and a really good deli.
I worked at the bank where the owner had his business accounts. He was a friendly, garrulous guy. You know where he bought all of his cigarettes, toiletries, many of his grocery items, and most of the ingredients for his deli? Sam's Club, 35 minutes away. He said at least 40% of the items he sold came from Sam's. He marked it up, and sold it at a profit.

I think that the reason that WM has been singled out is its unabashed union-quashing. The people that I know who are the most anti-WM are UAW members. They are not exactly elitists. They are trying to support their union brothers.

I think that boycotting WM these days is like boycotting foreign cars was 15 or 20 years ago. I think both are red herrings. For example, my dad just gave me a hard time because we just bought used Toyota Corrola. For crying out loud, what difference does it make if it's used? When I tried to tell my dad that Toyotas are built in Kentucky, and I don't give a rat's patoot if Bill Ford, Jr. has to give up one of his country club memberships, he stuck to the old party line of, "Foreign car companies don't pay UAW wages or benefits." AND? They pay damn good wages, especially for KY. And domestic automakers have laid a ton of people off because they can't afford what they are paying their employees.

It sounds, to me, just like most frequent complaint people have about WM: "They don't provide their employees with decent health insurance." What Mom & Pop place offers major medical? We are in a health care CRISIS in this country, and, whatever WM failings may be, it is emphatically not the job of a retail chain to solve our health care problems. We need single payer, government run, universal health care- that is not a job for WM.

I may sound like I'm anti-union. I'm not. I'm anti-corporatism, and pro-logic.

We are aswim in a sea of corporatism. That, I think, is evil. It is a system that inheirently rewards greed, one of the most base of human traits, and I really think that will be the undoing of capitalism.

I'm not saying that you should stop boycotting Wal-Mart, even tho' I think that boycotting WM alone is the next best thing to useless. I'm saying that a boycott of corporate stores in general would be better.

Having said that, where should we shop? If you have options, great. A lot of people don't.

There are some Mom & Pops where I live- two blocks away is Elaine's, which is great if you want liquour, beef jerky, a paper, or some porn. Then there's Andriacchi's, which is a darling little store, if you need a cherry pitter or a handmade fleece hat that looks like a snake. But if you need sheets, and the thrift store doesn't have the size you need? Kohl's, JC Penney, Target, Wal Mart, Pamida, maybe Big Lots. I seriously don't think you could buy sheets from an independent retailer anywhere in this county.

I live someplace pretty remote, and I buy a ton of stuff from Amazon. A ton. Even toiletries and non-perishable food. But I have internet access. Lots of people don't. And WM is on the bus line.

And do I really know where all those online purchases REALLY come from? No, I don't. Even if everything I buy is made by a WAHM, I'll bet at least some of these ladies get raw materials from WM.

I'm not saying we should sacrifice progress for perfection. I'm saying we should be consistent. I'm saying we all should open our eyes and see how big the picture really is.
post #90 of 411
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I seriously don't think you could buy sheets from an independent retailer anywhere in this county.

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Lands' End. I've had my flannel set since I got married 10 years ago today, and they're still going strong! Got 'em on clearance, too! I don't think sheets from any box store would last 10 years!

(And of course, they have a catalogue if you can't afford a computer).

I LOVE Lands' End!
post #91 of 411
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Originally Posted by bigeyes View Post
Because nameless, faceless poor people in another country won't argue with you on a message board, or realize that it's easier to care about complete strangers who can't disagree with you.

We're all compassionate in theory, but in practice it's hard to care when we don't like what we are hearing. And yes, I am including myself in the collective we.

Actually, if you care about nameless, faceless people in other countries who are being exploited, it would be good to consider finding ways to boycott WalMart, at least as much as you are able.
post #92 of 411
Okay, I love Lands' End. My MIL has some blankets from them that are just , so I bet the sheets are fantastic, too. And yeah, they have a catalog. They are not a local independent retailer, but supposedly they have good practices.
post #93 of 411
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Originally Posted by boysrus View Post
bigeyes, I was replying specifically to the OP, that is why I quoted her.
I do not judge people who have no options. I have lived in very remote areas, and I have seen situations where WalMart is the only feasible option. The OP of this hread said she has lots of other options and she has the money to spend. So, I was giving her other options.
OK.
post #94 of 411
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You used babywipes? :

Kidding!

We're all too serious.
Well we were on a 4 month long road trip of the USA, didn't have much room in the Saturn for cloths to save up and take to the laundry mat.
post #95 of 411
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Actually, if you care about nameless, faceless people in other countries who are being exploited, it would be good to consider finding ways to boycott WalMart, at least as much as you are able.
I believe I already said I do avoid them as much as possible. But my as much as possible is not as much now as it was when I lived in Dallas. Or Kansas City. Or Orlando.

My words you quoted were in response to another poster's question about how easy it is to have sympathy for people in other countries but not in our own.

Where I live now is kind of like the moon. Did you read my earlier post? I defy you to come to the Big Island of Hawaii and find souvenirs that don't say made in China or made in Indonesia. I sell handcrafted items at a farmer's market and there are booths with 'handcrafted in Hawaii' items that I have seen in stores with made in Indonesia stickers.

I buy milk at Wal Mart if Safeway is out, because at the store near my house it is $8 a gallon. Safeway charges $4 a gallon on sale, but when they run out it's about the same price at Walmart. I am not going to pay double just to satisfy an urge to feel superior to Walmart shoppers.

Everything comes from the place where it is made for the least money. I drive foreign cars not because I'm anti-union, but because I'm anti driving a Ford that leaves me stranded. BTDT. As someone else said, crayons are made at the same factory, but they are cheaper at walmart. Same product, different price.

I don't cross picket lines. I don't go out of my way to go to Wal Mart, but I'm not driving for 4 hours round trip to go to the other side of the island to search for a store you think is politically correct. If I call ahead and they tell me they have something, by the time I can get there, they wont. It's like the bumper sticker says This isn't the mainland.
post #96 of 411
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Well we were on a 4 month long road trip of the USA, didn't have much room in the Saturn for cloths to save up and take to the laundry mat.
Well, at least you were driving a Saturn.
post #97 of 411
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Well, at least you were driving a Saturn.
Oh yes, you can add only drives American cars to the list of my snobbery right above doesn't shop at Wal-Mart, and next to won't drink wine that comes in a screw cap bottle.
post #98 of 411
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Oh yes, you can add only drives American cars to the list of my snobbery right above doesn't shop at Wal-Mart, and next to won't drink wine that comes in a screw cap bottle.


Screw top, schmoo top! I just whack 'em off with a meat cleaver.
post #99 of 411
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Originally Posted by Rainbowbird View Post
Lands' End. I've had my flannel set since I got married 10 years ago today, and they're still going strong! Got 'em on clearance, too! I don't think sheets from any box store would last 10 years!

(And of course, they have a catalogue if you can't afford a computer).

I LOVE Lands' End!
Land's End isn't all sunshine and daisies. They are doing better recently with some exposure of their factories and some Universities who stopped buying their things. I had a long conversation with their CS yesterday while looking into getting school uniforms there. My stuff is still made in China, Sri Lanka, Taiwan...It's just pricier. And softer, I love their cotton.
post #100 of 411
Leta, I think I love you. :
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