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WELCOME starlightsound!

I'm very interested in what you're describing re: acupunture, poetgirl, because i currrently have the short lp (well, lp is about 14-ish days, but i'm spotting for the last 3-4 days before AF is really here - so, would that indicate a weak luteal phase or not really? still not sure about that one ) and VERY low temps (all my temps this cycle have been WAY under 97 for the exception of yesterdays: 97.01!) and a fairly short (but very bright red and heavy for at least 1 day) AF.

Anyway, lots of details up there, but it seems that i could possibly use someTHING to support our efforts - whether acup or vitex or something...really looking forward to prog test to get some information on that front. I go on sept 9.

Mischievium, I know i should probably know this, but what is the Fertell test? What will hubby's part entail?

"...I kind of bought it without talking to him about it,..."
Sometimes, you just have to make a command decision!

on AF...but perhaps this will pave the way for threadkeeper's luck!


Have a great friday, everyone!
post #302 of 315
Welcome starlightsound! Hugs and love for you. I'm sorry about your baby. May you soon have a new hope.

Hi Nony! Interesting about the low temps, I wonder if this is maybe a thyroid issue? I'm thinking that if I'm not pregnant again by the time I started this whole TTC thing, I'm going to have the hormone and thyroid tests run, along with a SA for DH.

Poet Cycle buddy! So, I had a weird temp jump today, and I'm feeling "symptoms" so now I'm starting to wonder if FF was right with that O date : . Ahhhh! I guess I'll pick up some HPTs today....and still think I might test on Monday. You?

Mischievium Hugs on AF. Grrr. Yeah, lilke I mentioned to Nony, I'm starting to think about the whole testing thing too. I think if anything it will help us know what's going on. And as far as I know, you won't have a clearly bi-phasic chart unless you are, indeed, ovulating.

Jencat
Hoping you're having a wonderful trip!




Me....well. I had a temp jump this AM, and....the only other point my temp has been that high was when I was pregnant. I don't know if this is a function of the kitty sleeping next to my head, or a fluke, or higher hormones! And, the boobies are sore. Like, sore feeling like they were when I was pregnant. Normally I don't get this before AF! So, I'm starting to feel hopeful, and I'm planning on testing on Monday. Whee!

Otherwise, I booked myself a trip! To go to the biggest wool festival in the country! And to meet some good friends. Since we've been married (6 yrs) I've never taken a fun trip without my hubby...which is mostly because I love to travel with him. But, I'm so excited. I also will get a couple days in NYC on either end, which is cool, I haven't been there in a while either!
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michelle~cycle buddy! your chart looks great. i am crossing all my fingers and toes for you! i'm thinking about testing maybe next mon or tues. i had the highest temp i've ever had this morning 98.2. here's hoping!

mischievium~sorry if my last post was too much like "you should do this." just wanted to let you know that herbs, vitex, acup. can really make a difference, and esp. when blood tests come back fine, it's helpful to have a tcm doc give you some feedback like "stomach congestion" "weak liver channel." but foremost, on AF. very sorry she showed up. i hope you havae a peaceful weekend and that this next cycle brings you the threadkeeper's luck.
also, if you weren't ovulating, you wouldn't get the temp. spike. and crosshairs. if you go on FF you can look at anovulatory charts.

nony~i concluded with help of tcm doctor that the spotting was not so great for the lp. same thing as you described--lp could be 14 days but the spotting would start by day 11. i was also most worried about thyroid and so was relieved that came back ok. i am interested to see what the progest. read is. when are you going to have that done?
lots of luck and dust to you!

I had a dream I was preg., really big belly 7 months pregnant--it was so realistic! could this be a symptom? happy about the high temp today. we'll see where it goes!
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Poet! Your chart is looking good!

I'm crossing my fingers and toes for you too, how fun would it be to move to a DDC together? Yay for highest temp. yet!

I'm still happy with my chart, and its making me excited already to wake up tomorrow morning, just to temp!

So, I ordered the cheap Save-on-tests. And they aren't here yet. I went into the PO to see if they would be here today. The mail hadn't gotten to the PO yet, since the carrier had a flat tire. So. Now, I won't know if they'll get here tomorrow or not, and I want to test Monday, so that means I'll have to go buy some cheapies here, which was exactly what I wanted to avoid! Seriously, if they shipped last Friday, shouldn't they have been here already? Grrr.
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Oh, forgot to reply to Poet about the dreams!

Yup, I think those dreams can mean something. I had a dream the night before I tested when I got the BFP back in March that I was holding my newborn baby boy, happy, healthy, very vivid. I also had a dream then that I tested and got a +.

Of course, maybe I'm trying to convince myself because last night I had a dream that I tested on a digital and got a + (I've never used a digital before in my life).

So.....only a few days left of the crazy part of the 2ww!
post #306 of 315
Hey, y'all,

I miss you! And I have a little bit of news--good thoughts are welcome.
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Frog, that is wonderful. Good thoughts and prayers sent your way!
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Congratulations, frog! I think adoption is a wonderful thing.

This morning I had a kind of a big (.48) temp jump, but it's my first month charting, and my first month off BCP, so who knows if I ovulated. I didn't really have any EWCM either. But it's CD 23, so it's about time!

Poet, how did you find your acupuncturist? I don't live in the Bay area, so I wonder what my local acupuncturists are like . . . . I have a friend who goes to one for bursitis and she loves him, but he's a little old Chinese man, and much as I love both Chinese people and grandfathers, I'm not sure how much I would want to tell him about my fertility. I doubt anyone I know has ever gone to an acupuncturist for fertility reasons, so I can't rely too much on direct word-of-mouth. Hmmm.
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HEY GALS~~~ I typed in a thorough summary of my appt. and upcoming appts. but when I went to send, MDC froze up and I lost it all. I was so frustrated I just went to bed :-) So, I am copying an email I sent to my friends and family giving them the gist! Some lingo will be old hat to you guys but I had to throw in definitions for newbies :-) I am feeling a little better now and started my diet... UGH, I mean "WAY OF LIFE". I started drinking a few ozs. of Mangosteen I got at the Health Food Store, had a wheat pita with bean sprouts, veggie cheese, peppered turkey and taragon dijon mustard, some cottage cheese, a small salad with greens, avacado and light greek dressing and some really tastey grapes! I am at work now so not much time and then we are going out of town for our Annual Rogers' Christmas. I hope everyone has a safe and fabulous Labor Day weekend and I will do personals in the new thread... ahhhhh Sept. already!!! I hope we get some good baby vibes this month so we can have wonderful Holiday news to share with our families :-)

Just wanted to touch base about my doc. appt. yesterday and figured a mass email would be more productive (and I purposely use productive when discussing my fertility appt.) :-) Anyways, the first section consisted of Dr. Irianni discussing in detail my medical family history. He wants to do genetic testing to see if I am a carrier of Fragile X. He said that a family history of early onset menopause can be a symptom (and it is pretty prevalant with my maternal side). He also wants to check to see if I am a carrier of the Cystic Fibrosis gene. Fragile X and CF aren't a problem unless both parents carry the gene and that is the gene that is passed down. Since the female has XX they test her first. If one X is a carrier they test the male since he is XY. I then went into the stirrup room for the "fun" stuff. This was the first male I have had do an exam so I was, to say, a bit nervous (i.e. legs clamped!). He first started with a wooby exam. Then I got yelled at. He swiped under them and said, "what's this" - in his foreign accent. Oh yeah, he also told some joke about Arab men beating their women daily after I told him about my grandmother's miscarriages with twins, etc. but said it was due to my abusive grandfather... he must have looked at my face and then said, "it's not funny". Anyways, he swiped and said, "what's this". I said, "powder" so my woobys won't rub my skin tags.. sorry if to TMI :-) He said, "no, no, no.. talc give you ovarian cancer. You keep using, you for sure get cancer". OK! So when I got home I looked it up. There is debate about is (even though Talc has been FDA approved) that is has similar chemical properties as asbestos. I told my co-worker that all the years of powdering your baby's bottoms... perhaps that is what cause Autism. Working in this field we are always pondering the cause and the ap parent rise in the epidemic... microwave use, cell phones....Anyways, he does the ultrasound (which is painful for the simple fact that he is pushing the crap out of my lower abdomen). He says, "here is your uterus, your ovary, your other ovary, tubes, etc...) He said I have some small fibroids but nothing he seemed to concerned about. Of course it all looked different shades of grey to me and I could barely make out a shape if I imagined hard enough! He said generally it looks good, he made some measurements and then printed it off for further review later. Then, back to the office. He OF COURSE gave the speech about losing weight which I was expecting. It put a quick damper on the 11 lbs. the scale in the office confirmed I had lost since my last doc. appt. He talked about diabetes, c-section... all the stuff I knew. Don't you think if I could snap my fingers I would be a size 7.. DUH!!! You know that has been a lifelong struggle. Anyways, he gave me a prescription to have my blood drawn and testing my progesterone levels (I did that immediately after my appt.). He also told me to go CD (Cycle Day) 3 for some more blood work - about 10 things... prolactin, FSH, lutenizing hormone, testosterone (I SWEAR I am NOT a man!) and other things - I don't have the paper here now). Then on CD 1 I have to scheule an HSG x-ray where they inject your uterus with dye to see if any tubes are clogged. Hopefully I will know something within the month. Thanks for all your support!
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Oh my... I did read your messages!!!

FROG - Oh... you guys are so in my thoughts and prayers. I am a social worker and have worked for social service agencies (now I work with persons with mental retardation/developmental delays). I think it takes a very special person to adopt kids in such a desparate need for a good life. I have all my fillanges crossed for ya :-)

Michelle and Poet and VeganCupcake- GL with the temps!!! and testing!!! Your charts do look pretty! I also had dreams that I was preggo when I turned out to be. DH had one that he saw pics of the sonogram (but couldn't say if it were a girl or boy)

Starlight - and I hope that your stay here is short but you pop in to update us These are a great group of gals who offer lots of support without judgement!

Jencat - guess you are gone but hope you have a wonderful, safe trip

mischievium - for the September threadkeeper
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My breasts have been sore the past couple of days. I don't want to get my hopes up, but AF is not due for about another week. The soreness is more intense than what I normally get with AF (very little, actually) so I'm hoping this is the month! My cycle has been a bit wonky this month; positive OPK last week and then again the other day, period lasted only two days, serious pains which must have been ovulation, no significant EWCM...

Wow Frog! I don't know if congratulations are in order yet, but from what I've read of your story it looks like you may have your happy ending after all. Good luck with everything and I'll be looking for updates.
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Thanks for the love, everbybody. Now that my period has come, I'll tell you the great secret why I thought this might be *the* cycle-- because with the superlong cycle and working nights and taking temps at erratic times, I also thought "I wonder if I'm pregnant?" and tested before I actually ended up ovulating, but for the first time ever I got the faintest of faint lines, BUT... there was something wrong with the control line (the very bottom of the control line didn't show up) and when I retested a few days later it was clearly a negative AND it wouldn't have made sense for it to be + because in my heart of hearts I knew I hadn't ovulated yet. Ah well. That's what I get for testing early. :

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and VERY low temps (all my temps this cycle have been WAY under 97 for the exception of yesterdays: 97.01!) and a fairly short (but very bright red and heavy for at least 1 day) AF
Mischievium, I know i should probably know this, but what is the Fertell test? What will hubby's part entail?

"...I kind of bought it without talking to him about it,..."
Sometimes, you just have to make a command decision!

on AF...but perhaps this will pave the way for threadkeeper's luck!
The very low BBT *can* indicate hypothyroidism, though if you have no other symptoms, I wouldn't worry about it. In my case, I very much have other symptoms that could indicate hypothyroidism so I think it's time I ruled it in or out.

The Fertell test is an over the counter fertility test with a part for the women and a part for the men. The ladies get to pee on a stick on CD 3 to test the FSH level in the urine (which indicates ovarian reserve), mine came out normal-- BUT, I also read that when it comes to FSH, intermittently high levels are just as bad as consistently high FSH levels when it comes to a woman's ovarian reserve, so... I'm not sure that just testing it once necessarily rules out problems with ovarian reserve. As in, what if I have intermittently high FSH levels and I just happened to test on a month when it wasn't high? I'm not sure you can just buy the female portion separately and this test kit was like $100? Or was it $150? I can't remember, or maybe I've blocked it out . Anyway, I found out about this test and where I could buy it on CD2, so I really did have to make a command decision, or wait another month. I am not so good at the waiting .

For the men, well, they have to get their swimmers in a little cup and then there are a whole bunch of things you have to do at carefully timed intervals, but it should give you an idea of the concentration of motile sperm.

For those who haven't been TTC for a year (the point at which insurance companies may allow you to start getting some testing), but are concerned about their fertility the test can either provide some reassurance or some justification for further testing.

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Mischievium Hugs on AF. Grrr. Yeah, lilke I mentioned to Nony, I'm starting to think about the whole testing thing too. I think if anything it will help us know what's going on. And as far as I know, you won't have a clearly bi-phasic chart unless you are, indeed, ovulating.

Me....well. I had a temp jump this AM, and....the only other point my temp has been that high was when I was pregnant. I don't know if this is a function of the kitty sleeping next to my head, or a fluke, or higher hormones! And, the boobies are sore. Like, sore feeling like they were when I was pregnant. Normally I don't get this before AF! So, I'm starting to feel hopeful, and I'm planning on testing on Monday. Whee!
About the thyroid thing, I figure it this way, it's such a relatively easy thing to fix (you know, just a pill a day for the rest of your life but still easier than IVF), that it's worth checking into. And since I do think that I have other symptoms, there is a tiny part of me that hopes it's a cure-all .

And, I'm not on crack, I do have biphasic charts, right? I know my temps are a bit on the erratic side, but the little spikes pre-O really do seem to correlate with nights before I work (when I am anxious and don't sleep as well).

Michellle, your chart and symptoms do sound promising :, I would love to have one of my first official acts as threadkeeper be to move you on to the graduates list .

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mischievium~sorry if my last post was too much like "you should do this." just wanted to let you know that herbs, vitex, acup. can really make a difference, and esp. when blood tests come back fine, it's helpful to have a tcm doc give you some feedback like "stomach congestion" "weak liver channel." but foremost, on AF. very sorry she showed up. i hope you havae a peaceful weekend and that this next cycle brings you the threadkeeper's luck.
also, if you weren't ovulating, you wouldn't get the temp. spike. and crosshairs. if you go on FF you can look at anovulatory charts.

I had a dream I was preg., really big belly 7 months pregnant--it was so realistic! could this be a symptom? happy about the high temp today. we'll see where it goes!
Oh, poet, I didn't take it that way at all , so no worries. I think I would be into the acupuncture part of it, but not so much the TCM herbs part of it-- I mean, I am already (well, as of today ) taking the vitex (the "Standford blend" is the "Fertility Blend" by Daily Wellness and the prenatal vitamins I take (Rainbow Light Prenatal One) have RRL extract and other stuff in them. I'm just afraid of throwing too much at my system at once. I would need to do a lot more reading about TCM and their theories and research before I would feel comfortable with that part of it. See my comments to Laura below for my less rational reasons for hedging about pursuing this line of therapy.

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Hey, y'all,

I miss you! And I have a little bit of news--good thoughts are welcome.
As Alanis Morrisette once wisely sang, "the moment I let go of it, was the moment I got more than I could handle." I really hope this works out for you and those babies .

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HEY GALS~~~ I typed in a thorough summary of my appt. and upcoming appts. but when I went to send, MDC froze up and I lost it all. I was so frustrated I just went to bed :-) So, I am copying an email I sent to my friends and family giving them the gist! Some lingo will be old hat to you guys but I had to throw in definitions for newbies :-) I am feeling a little better now and started my diet... UGH, I mean "WAY OF LIFE". I started drinking a few ozs. of Mangosteen I got at the Health Food Store, had a wheat pita with bean sprouts, veggie cheese, peppered turkey and taragon dijon mustard, some cottage cheese, a small salad with greens, avacado and light greek dressing and some really tastey grapes! I am at work now so not much time and then we are going out of town for our Annual Rogers' Christmas. I hope everyone has a safe and fabulous Labor Day weekend and I will do personals in the new thread... ahhhhh Sept. already!!! I hope we get some good baby vibes this month so we can have wonderful Holiday news to share with our families :-)

Just wanted to touch base about my doc. appt. yesterday and figured a mass email would be more productive (and I purposely use productive when discussing my fertility appt.) :-) Anyways, the first section consisted of Dr. Irianni discussing in detail my medical family history. He wants to do genetic testing to see if I am a carrier of Fragile X. He said that a family history of early onset menopause can be a symptom (and it is pretty prevalant with my maternal side). He also wants to check to see if I am a carrier of the Cystic Fibrosis gene. Fragile X and CF aren't a problem unless both parents carry the gene and that is the gene that is passed down. Since the female has XX they test her first. If one X is a carrier they test the male since he is XY. I then went into the stirrup room for the "fun" stuff. This was the first male I have had do an exam so I was, to say, a bit nervous (i.e. legs clamped!). He first started with a wooby exam. Then I got yelled at. He swiped under them and said, "what's this" - in his foreign accent. Oh yeah, he also told some joke about Arab men beating their women daily after I told him about my grandmother's miscarriages with twins, etc. but said it was due to my abusive grandfather... he must have looked at my face and then said, "it's not funny". Anyways, he swiped and said, "what's this". I said, "powder" so my woobys won't rub my skin tags.. sorry if to TMI :-) He said, "no, no, no.. talc give you ovarian cancer. You keep using, you for sure get cancer". OK! So when I got home I looked it up. There is debate about is (even though Talc has been FDA approved) that is has similar chemical properties as asbestos. I told my co-worker that all the years of powdering your baby's bottoms... perhaps that is what cause Autism. Working in this field we are always pondering the cause and the ap parent rise in the epidemic... microwave use, cell phones....Anyways, he does the ultrasound (which is painful for the simple fact that he is pushing the crap out of my lower abdomen). He says, "here is your uterus, your ovary, your other ovary, tubes, etc...) He said I have some small fibroids but nothing he seemed to concerned about. Of course it all looked different shades of grey to me and I could barely make out a shape if I imagined hard enough! He said generally it looks good, he made some measurements and then printed it off for further review later. Then, back to the office. He OF COURSE gave the speech about losing weight which I was expecting. It put a quick damper on the 11 lbs. the scale in the office confirmed I had lost since my last doc. appt. He talked about diabetes, c-section... all the stuff I knew. Don't you think if I could snap my fingers I would be a size 7.. DUH!!! You know that has been a lifelong struggle. Anyways, he gave me a prescription to have my blood drawn and testing my progesterone levels (I did that immediately after my appt.). He also told me to go CD (Cycle Day) 3 for some more blood work - about 10 things... prolactin, FSH, lutenizing hormone, testosterone (I SWEAR I am NOT a man!) and other things - I don't have the paper here now). Then on CD 1 I have to scheule an HSG x-ray where they inject your uterus with dye to see if any tubes are clogged. Hopefully I will know something within the month. Thanks for all your support!
I'm sorry your doctor was a bit on the strange side, hopefully he will at least be able to help you find answers. Interesting about the talc.

I *really* hear you about the weight thing. That is part of what holds me back from talking to a doctor or TCM/ acupuncturist about fertility issues. I really don't need the lecture. I know it's a problem. I know that it could be interfering with TTC and, to the extent that I am capable right now, I am trying to deal with it. I don't think people who have never struggled with their weight (let alone grew up in a family where EVERYONE struggles with their weight) really get how hard and emotional it is. . And yet I know I need to deal with this issue because I really don't want to pass it down to my kids.
post #313 of 315
OH YEAH, real quick before I have to go into a meeting. I did want to share with you a part of my email that had gotten deleted!

I wore my Fairy Stone pendant I found the day before I found out I was pregnant the first time and a fertility bracelet I had just ordered special for my appt. which has my favorite rainbow moonstone. PLEASE check them out!!!
post #314 of 315
Thanks for all the love, ladies... The in-laws are in town this weekend for some renovation fun on our kitchen, so I'm hoping to stay distracted until Monday. Though I'll probably cave on Sunday... It's the beginning of the month tomorrow, which is always hard; Burke's due date was April 1st, and he arrived on the 5th... it would be so lovely to get a positive result!

mischievium-- let me tell you how lovely you NICU nurses are! You held us together.

Wanting 2B: I LOVE the bracelet!!!
post #315 of 315
Well... let's all give Jencat a round of applause for her excellent threadkeeping for the month of August!

And, with that, let me announce that the September thread is open for business !
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