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post #1 of 9
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i have a friend who is looking to do a vba2c with an ob. she's in a unique situation that i hope you ladies can help give some insight on.

the first major thing is that she has a congenital spinal anomaly where several of her vertebrae are either missing or fused together. with this her ribcage also shows anomalies, but her pelvic bones and legs are normal. she has carried three babies to term, though not without some discomfort. since she doesn't have much room in the abdomen, everything has to get out of the way more so than most, in order to give the growing baby room. and we believe that this is the root of the problem.

she birthed her first child (9 lbs, 24 inches long) vaginally, and after that pregnancy, her uterus never settled back into her pelvis. when she has routine gyn exams, she has to push *hard* on the top of her uterus in order for her cervix to pop down low enough to be seen. her second child settled into a transverse lie, and she had a c-section after a version and immediate induction did not work. after this birth, her uterus fused to her abdomenal wall, compounding the issue of her uterus not settling into her pelvis. her third child likewise settled into a transverse lie, and was born by scheduled c-section.

now she's pregnant with her fourth, and after looking for a long time, found an ob who is willing to work with her goals of having a vaginal birth. he's very liberal, as ob's go-- he was shocked/disgusted about why her first two c-sections were done, and does not schedule inductions before 42 weeks. his c-section rate is in the single digits, and he's one of the few ob's in our area that does vbacs.

so here we are. he's talking about scheduling a c-section because the baby's transverse and he's concerned about how her head will engage, since my friend's uterus is *outside* her pelvis. he seems willing to work with her and try a version if she comes to him already laboring, but at 41 weeks, he's doubtful that the baby will be able to turn on her own, given the size of the baby (comparable to the previous three) and the fact that there's very little room for it to happen.

we *know* she can birth vaginally. given that, do you have any suggestions for encouraging the baby to turn, and stay turned until labor starts? or would my friend be better off waiting until labor starts to encourage turning? or would going ahead and trying to turn the baby encourage effective contractions? she's been dealing with weeks of painful bh contractions already.

help?

thanks in advance,

christina
post #2 of 9
My prayers are with your friend. What a difficult situation to be in!

Has she tried home breech turning techniques? Perhaps getting baby head down or even bottom down would make vaginal birth possible. I've never heard of a uterus outside the pelvis (I am just a student doula, though). But wouldn't the uterus at some point still be in (or at least above) the pelvis even if the baby wasn't turned that way right now. Wouldn't the cervix still open during labor permitting the baby to drop into the birth canal as long as s/he is vertex or breech??? After all, the cervix can still be seen during a VE....and they aren't reaching out of the pelvis to find it.
post #3 of 9
Webster, though you have probably thought of that already.
post #4 of 9
I second the Webster's suggestion - you can find a DC that knows it by going to www.icpa4kids.org and clicking on the find a doctor link.

I don't know of any doctor in my area who will even attempt a vaginal delivery with a transverse lie baby. Mostly because there's nothing on the baby that is pointed in the right direction to engage and help the cervix open up. If he's willing to attempt version while she's in labor, it sounds like she's got the best possible doctor in this situation.

Which brings me back to Webster's - if there's a possibility that the alignment of her pelvis is affecting the situation (and it sounds like it is), Webster's is the best thing for her. There is always the possibility that there is something else going on (and structurally, it sounds like there are a lot of other things going on in your friend's spine) that is preventing the baby from assuming the ideal birth position. At least Webster's is doing something proactive that can't hurt and might really help!

Is your friend in GA also? If so, I might be able to help find a good chiropractor, as I know several in that state!
post #5 of 9
Can't have a baby vaginally if they are transverse. They just can't come out sideways....

I am amazed that she has found an OB who is willing to wait for her to go into labor with a transverse! They freak about cord prolapse which is a bigger risk with transverse. BUT there is a possibility of baby turning at the last minute in labor as well.

With all of mama's physical issues- has she tried regular chiropractic care during this pregnancy?

I wish her all the best. Please let us know what happens!
post #6 of 9
Thread Starter 
thanks for your ideas and well-wishes, ladies.

my friend's baby was born today by scheduled cesarean, a beautiful and healthy little girl. we are ecstatic that she's finally here, and also happy that the anesthesiologist was able to give my friend a spinal so that she got to see the little girl as soon as she came out-- her previous two cesareans were done with general anesthesia. it's disappointing that her final birth experience has to be topped off with recovering from surgery, but between the self-educating she did, and the empowered decision-making she did, and the support system she has, and the fact that this c-section was *so* different from her last two-- she's okay. and because she's okay, i'm okay.

thanks again!

christina
post #7 of 9
Congrats to your friend!!!

So glad to hear she had an empowering birth even though it turned out to be a scheduled cesarean birth. And I'm very happy for her that she was able to be aware at this birth, I couldn't imagine having general anesthesia.
post #8 of 9
Congrats to her!
post #9 of 9
Cngrats for her, and yay for the spinal!

(nak)
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