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post #1 of 15
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My DS is 8, he's a wonderful, kind, gentle, happy, easy going, creative, sensible kid. He's also, in a lot of ways a pretty "average" kid -- in the middle of the class, tends to do things right "on time" in terms of child development checklists, neither the best nor the worst at any activity he does.

He has a best friend -- a really really really good friend, who has been in his class every year but one since they were 3 and live in the neighborhood. The two boys play together every chance they can get -- they sleep over at each other's houses almost every weekend, and are always calling each other, and wanting playdates. They are wonderful together, never fight, play really creatively etc . . . This other kid is also wonderful, kind, gentle, happy . . . . He's also a very smart kid who is at the top of the class, star of the soccer team, etc . . . In addition, he's got a 2 parent family with a SAHM (I'm a single mom who works really long hours), and lives in a big house with a nice yard (we have a nice but small apartment).

My son constantly compares himself to this kid. I hear frequently how the other child is smarter, or better, or taller, or faster or whatever than DS, and it kind of breaks my heart. He doesn't do this with other kids. I have also noticed that when the two boys are involved in the same activity that DS sometimes stops trying because he knows he can't compete (even though the other child is not setting it up as a competition). This is a big issue, since one of the things that they're in the same class -- all year I've heard, "I don't want to read because I'm not good at it like X", or "X is good at math and I'm not".

The other kid's parents are very laid back, and let their son make a lot of choices -- which I think is great. The result, however, is that he usually chooses to be with my son. For example we changed school a couple years ago, and a year later he transfered into DS's school. DS started trumpet lessons and a week later their son did too. So now DS thinks he's "not good" at trumpet because of the comparisons, when in reality DS is just fine at trumpet, it's just that the other child is kind of exceptional.

In the summers their son stays home with mom, except for maybe a week of camp here or there. My DS has to go to daycamp all summer because I work. Luckily this year I found a camp he LOVES where they do lots of outdoor activities -- archery, kayaking etc . . . He seems to get such a big self-esteem boost out of these activities, and it's been wonderful to see the way he lights up when he talks about them. My plan is to keep sending him until he's too old. He's already saying he wants to be a counselor when he's in high school.

Well, I was talking to the X's mom yesterday and she said that she had thought that camp all summer was too expensive, but X talked her into it so next year they can go together -- won't that be fun! I didn't know what to say. On one hand, I don't feel like it's my place to tell her where she can and can't send her kid for camp. On the other hand, I'm dreading DS going from "I LOVE kayaking -- Mom did you know I can do a roll?" to "X is a better kayaker than I am". And from "I got picked to represent our group in the archery contest" to "X won the archery contest, I only came in third".

Any suggestions on how to handle this? I really feel like DS needs one place or one activity that's all his, where he can really shine and feel good without the constant comparisons.
post #2 of 15
Honestly, I'd just ask the other child's mother if there would be an uninterrupted time for you two to talk alone. I would then bring up the issue in a way similar to the way you've presented it here--making it clear that you like her child, support his friendship with your child, and in no way want to disturb that.

Do you think she's the kind of person that would be receptive to that?
post #3 of 15
I agree with duckling. I would hope the other mom would understand why you want your ds to have the camp as his own thing given the comparison issues he has. Good luck!
post #4 of 15
I'd try to work things out starting with trumpet. I'm not sure it would be ok for him to compare himself to this kid all year long but summer. In a way it feels like separating the kids is avoiding the real issue... What is he missing that he has to compare himself to the other kid so often?

*HUGS* Just thinking out loud here... I don't know what other things to suggest, but to have a heart to heart talk with your son. Self esteem is not something that comes from outside, he has to start to believe that he is brilliant regardless of how good someone else is.
post #5 of 15
Does this other child excell at physical activities as well? I ask because while I did very well at school (better than my brother, who had the same attitude as your son, "well, I'm not excellent, so I'm going to stop trying") he was far more gifted than I am physically. We're both swimmers and he kicks my butt. He's great at it, while I'm just average (and I'm only average because I practiced so much, though by now I have great technique!).

So maybe your son would find out that there are areas where he does excell past his friend's abilities.

I agree with a pp that maybe looking into why he feels the need to be as good as his friend. My brother said to my mom one day that she never encouraged him academically they way she did me. I don't know if that's true or not, but he must have felt it was true to say that. (I'm not saying that you don't encourage your child!).

Has your son tried other interests? Art, singing, dancing, other sports, drama, etc? Surely this other boy can't both be interested and excellent in everything!

Have you talked to your son about why he compares himself to his friend, why he feels he has to live up to his standards?

Hope some of the above made sense, it's getting late over here!

ETA: another thing that stopped my brother was his impatience. He couldn't play the sax well RIGHT AWAY, so he stopped trying. This doesn't mean he wouldn't have been quite good at what he did, he just didn't give himself the chance. Could your son be feeling the same frustration, especially when he has an example of a child who does seem to master tasks instantaneously?

~Julia
post #6 of 15
Wow, this is definitely a tough one.

Without sounding at all snarky, I got the feeling that maybe you are feeling a little bit of competition with these people, also. Perhaps trying to carve out your son's identity separate from this friend is one way to show your son that he is just as good as his friend? (just a thought..) Kind of like you feel that this kid has all of the "advantages" and you want your son to be able to shine in something without having all of the advantages you described (two parent home, nice home, SAH mother, etc..).

Maybe your son is picking up on your feelings?

I do understand how you feel, and if the competitive nature of the friendship is making your son feel that he is not good enough, then maybe you do need to limit their time together?
Another way to look at it is that maybe the other parents feel that your son is such a good playmate (and a desirable one) that they want their son to spend more time with your son?? (just another thought..)

If you are close enough to share your feelings with the other parents, I'd do it. Has your son ever said anything to his friend about "copying" him? I would be surprised if he hadn't, a lot of kids this age are really sensitive about things like that.

I'm sorry if I sounded the least bit snarky.
post #7 of 15
It sounds like the other child genuinely enjoys spending time with your child.
That is a good thing
post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the thoughts.

First of all, I do think there's a lot of positives in this friendship, that far outweigh this issue. The boys are very tempermentally well matched, they're both lovely children and they play together well for hours and hours -- we've had plenty of marathon playdates (start early one morning at one house, lasts till the evening the next day) and they never fight or argue or say they're bored -- even for a minute. They're also very creative in their play -- today they cooked up an elaborate game involving Santa's elves invading the White House to convince George Bush to take care of the environment . I do think that the reasons why they end up doing the same activities are simply that they're really similar kids and like the same things, and that they like doing things together.

As far as talking to him -- I think that's a great idea, but I'd like suggestions on what to say. I have certainly told him all the things I think are wonderful about him, and assured him that I'm very proud of him. I've made it a point since he was very small to praise the effort, not the result, so I don't think I've given him the message that his accomplishments are all that's important to me. I have tried to expose him to lots of different things so that he can find his own talents.

As far as athletics -- it depends on the sport. In a lot of things -- swimming, and ice skating, their pretty evenly matched. They both do Tae Kwon Do and X is far ahead of DS, but they both realize that's because X started several years before DS so they aren't competitive about that. DS is better at things that involve balance, and motor planning (like skiing), while X is better at things that involve strategy and stamina (DS has asthma) like soccer. I agree that finding something that DS can excel at is a good idea, which is why I find it frustrating when they always end up in the same activities.

As to the theory that I also feel a little competitive, I'm not sure I'd say competitive, but probably occaisionally jealous. The house and the husband don't bother me, but I would love to be a SAHM, but it's not in the cards, so I do look at X's mom and think "that would be nice". I also have thought that I wish the academic things came more easily to DS, just because it's not so much fun to see your child struggle with something. However, I really do think I have the most wonderful little guy on earth, it's not that I'm disappointed in him.

Keep up the suggestions -- you're all giving me some ideas.
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by Momily View Post
Well, I was talking to the X's mom yesterday and she said that she had thought that camp all summer was too expensive, but X talked her into it so next year they can go together -- won't that be fun! I didn't know what to say. On one hand, I don't feel like it's my place to tell her where she can and can't send her kid for camp.
I think that you are right that it isn't your place to tell her where she can or can't send her child, but because you guys are friends and she asked, I don't think there is anything wrong with telling her that you think that it is really good for your son to do something without her son. Without getting into your son's insecurities, just being honest about the fact that while you think it is wonderful that they are so close and do so many things together, you see some real positives in your son having some time with other kids. You could say this in passing, without making a huge deal out of it. They should have friends besides each other, they should have interest of their own. I'm sure she could think of some positives in her son spending time picking his own activities rather than just following along in what your son wants to do.

I think the boys sound like they are so close they are a bit more like sibs than like regular friends, and in talking to her friend, I would express as much concern for her child as for my own. In other words -- if both boys were your sons, what would you want for both of them?
post #10 of 15
I have a friend who I have been close to since we were toddlers. We did not compare ourselves over accomplishments, however, she had a much easier time socially than I did. Making friends (and later, having boyfriends) was a much faster process for her than for me. She "joined" activities where I was already involved over and over and over again, and easily stole the show in terms of popularity. I never felt that I had even half a chance to develop relationships without being in her shadow. I took it in stride until puberty. After that, it was very difficult and I began to resent her. A lot. I did try to have activities of my own -- not all of them -- but just a few, and was not able to carve out that space for myself until college. It was very frustrating.

I do wish my parents had spoken up to her parents about the constant copying and following before we hit that rough point in adolescence. I don't know how they might have done that -- but I think it would have helped preserve our intimacy and friendship. We are still friends, actually -- but I definately have a lot of wall and boundaries in place around her because of our history.
post #11 of 15
Unlike a PP, I think I'd definitely explain why you would like your son to have some time to develop new skills on his own, honestly.
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by Momily View Post
Any suggestions on how to handle this? I really feel like DS needs one place or one activity that's all his, where he can really shine and feel good without the constant comparisons.
There is always going to be someone to whom a task comes easier, but they will not necessarily be the most successful. I wish you would read the book _Mindset_. Your son would do better learning to feel good in the situation he's in. He loves X. It will be easier for him to handle this situation, I think, than if he has to learn it when the boy better than him is a stranger (or adversary).
post #13 of 15
I wonder if the dad's on this thread would be able to give you some of their thoughts on sons and friends, just for a man's opinion
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by pigpokey View Post
There is always going to be someone to whom a task comes easier, but they will not necessarily be the most successful. I wish you would read the book _Mindset_. Your son would do better learning to feel good in the situation he's in. He loves X. It will be easier for him to handle this situation, I think, than if he has to learn it when the boy better than him is a stranger (or adversary).
I would agree with you, except that my son doesn't have this problem, or at least not to this degree with other kids. It's not like he went to summer camp and was better than every other kid at every other thing. He would come home and tell me "I graduated to the next level in swimming" and I could tell how proud he was of himself. The fact that he graduated from level 3 to level 4, and a bunch of kids were already on level 6, or that everyone on level 3 graduated together didn't make him think less of his accomplishment. He brought home a 3rd place ribbon in the archery competition, and was proud of himself rather than focused on the fact that someone else got first. In his class of 24 there were probably 15 kids who read better than he did, but he didn't focus on the other 14, only on X. He's fine with the fact that A, and B, and C (all also friends) can read better than he can -- it's X that he compares himself too.

Having said that, I do know that he needs to learn to feel good about himself regardless of where he is relative to other people, but I'm not sure how to go about that. I'd love to hear suggestions.
post #15 of 15
I dunno if this idea holds more potential for hurt feelings or not -- but sometimes its possible to request that specific kids be in separate groups at camp. This is sometimes done with siblings who are close in age, when the parents want them to have their own "space" to flourish. You could probably speak to the director confidentially, and ask him/her not to disclose that the arrangements were per your request. I doubt they guarantee their ability to keep best friends together anyway, depending on how they are organized. I dunno if this idea is too "sneaky" for you, but as long as we're brainstorming, I thought I'd toss it out there.
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