Originally Posted by mama in the forest
Yup, there's more.
Another thing I wonder about is this: do midwives and docs actually facilitate painful labors and/or suffering by their presence and by their "pain relieving techniques" (asked rhetorically)
Current care in a typical hospital includes an emphasis on pushing epidurals & other meds to relieve pain. Midwifery care emphasizes natural pain relief methods. Both *can* suggest that the goal
is pain relief. Does that set up some mamas for the expectation that the pain should be relieved, and that if it is not, something is wrong?
I've been reading this thread on and off for the last few days, and this post really struck with me.
I (not a mama yet) don't expect painless or a painfree birth. I expect there to be pain - but I also expect that all of the techniques I've read/researched/heard about will make the (potential) pain managable - not gone. Not a walk through the park. Still possibly the most (potentially) painful thing I've ever felt (and I haven't felt much physical pain in my life) - but I do believe that it can be managed.
And yeah, honestly, one of my 'management' thoughts is along the idea of this....
Originally Posted by zoebird
so, for me, pain could be part of the process of initiating the ecstatic, divine experience of birth.
and i look forward to it.
and through it, i am 'born again' as a new life form, a new being and person. i have endured, surpassed, moved through, and been changed.
and if i do die, then i die ecstaticly--and i believe that has great spiritual import as well.
i welcome it. i welcome it. i welcome it.
It is that feeling that makes me say that I look forward to labor and birth - because I know that it will be one of the most spiritually transformative processes I can experience, and despite the (potential) pain, and in spite of the (potential) ecstacy, I look forward to being transformed.
I think that more so than teaching first time moms about pain - first time moms should have the opportunity to sit in a circle like this and hear about birth.
That will teach all that we CAN be 'taught'.