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post #41 of 149
The game looks overall beneign, and definately better than others out there. I would much prefer if it were a rifle, as, yes, very few people hunt for food with handguns.

I was raised in a rural, yet peace-loving hippie family. My mom was a total pacifist, but my dad had grown up in a family where hunting was the way food got to the table, and so I was taught to respect guns as a tool for hunting from a relatively young age. (maybe 8?) While may parents may have preferred to shelter me from the violence in the world, it was also during the cold war, and war was something that was discussed at school, and which other children role played, and so I was taught about the use of guns for self defense (think revolutionary war defense of property - not home invasion).
I was also taught that you never pointed a gun of any type at anyone unless you intended to kill them. This is a lesson that stayed with me and had a profound effect. I grew up with four boys, and while we played all type of games which involved strategy and battle, we never pointed a toy gun, stick, or anything that was intended to represent a gun one at one another ( just imaginary invading aliens mostly).
None of us joined the military, and none of us have ever been to jail, nor shot any of our classmates. But we all have a healthy respect for life and other people, and still enjoyed childhood play without being too burdened with the symbolism of it all.
Everyone should raise their children as they see fit, but I'm one kid who was raised with this type of play, and educated on the importance of safety and respect of life, and I appreciate the viewpoints that my parents instilled.
post #42 of 149
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Originally Posted by l_olive View Post
Well, OK then. I keep picturing little caveboys running around in their mammoth-skin loin cloths pointing antlers at each other and yelling "Kerpow, you're dead!"
I think some people forget how amazing our kids can really be. I know my son has never seen guns on TV, or has own or been given a toy gun. But at 3.5 he has played with many other children, and some where somehow he knows that the water gun in the outdoor play box at his buddy Troy's house is used to aim at people and make shooting noises. I wouldn't call that innate. I'd call that a moment somewhere in his life that he learned the behavior. it only takes one time. A TV commercial that breezed by so quickly you didn't even know they saw it. A video game display at Target playing while you stopped the cart to look at digital cameras, or another child that used their finger and pretended at the park a month ago. Kids are just really good and really fast at picking up stuff.

for me that is all the more reason I do use my power of the "mama veto" when it comes to toys and TV that I don't approve of in our home.
post #43 of 149
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Originally Posted by l_olive View Post
There's not one other thing on your list of possible "weapons" that you own for the sole purpose of causing injury or death.

Causing injury or death is violence.

Ergo, guns do equal violence.
Putting food in my freezer, food that feeds my family, is not "violence" to me, and I will not teach my children otherwise.

Does the fact that we hunt for food make us a violent family? :

And for the record, I don't think anyone is "silly". I was simply agreeing with the notion that guns are tools, not that not wanting one is silly. I respect everyone's right to parent as THEY see fit.
post #44 of 149
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Originally Posted by artgoddess View Post
so that makes it okay?
No, but you were saying that the only "looking down on" posts had come from the pro-toy-gun camp, and that wasn't true.
post #45 of 149
I think I may be one of the "certain people" you refer to, so I'll answer.

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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
I can't believe certain people are suggesting that school shootings and the like are a result of allowing children to pretend gun-play or as a result of a parents' *right to bear arms* stance? More likely and more realistically, those events have vey little to do with "guns" and so much more to do with a culmination of a childhood of not feeling heard, of bullying, of depression or mental illness -- so many factors... and to just say, well sheesh if there were no guns stuff like that would never happen is, imo a very myopic and limited view and presents (imo) more of a set up for perpetuation of violence because the root problem is not addressed and an object of metal and lead becomes the scapegoat for a society who wants so desperately for *something* to blame rather than looking at their participation in a negative situation that led someone to feel that violence was their only way out.

I agree with some of this... that school shootings (and other similar violence) occur from "a culmination of a childhood of not feeling heard, of bullying, of depression or mental illness -- so many factors... " but my contention is that these "other factors" include the cavalier attitude our society has toward childhood gun-play -- which is what we're discussing in this thread.

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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
Pointing the finger at guns is easier than self examination I suppose.
Condescension is dripping from this line. Thank you for your concern for my self-examination, but I've thoroughly examined my feelings on guns and gun-play. I simply have come to a different conclusion than you have.
post #46 of 149
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Originally Posted by l_olive View Post
it feels like it's being implied in this thread (and others in have particpated in) that a child who had never seen a gun can make a shooting device out of a hanger or pb&j sandwich.
Or 2 legos. I don't know how they come up with it or why, but I definitely don't let my kids play with guns, or have gun toys, and yet, they "play guns" somehow. I don't know how they know about it. Now, it's been a while since he did it. Not having the toy guns in the house might have helped not to encourage it, so that he forgot all about it. But as to how he came up with it in the first place, I have no idea.
post #47 of 149
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I would idealy (idealy!) Like to parent my kids in such a way that allows them to explore their own purposes for life, and if my son is interested in guns, I want to help him explore and navagate the subject as safely as possible. Far more people die in car accidents than gun accidents but I wouldnt prevent him from getting a drivers liscense.

I think alot of the "gun toy" issue is that its really scary to parents to think of their kid becoming a "killing machine" whether it be at school or in the military. Seeing our little innocent kids with such an intense object is very unnerving. It makes me squirm a little bit too. Again, I let him play toy guns because I am not going to tell him who he has to be. I let him decide on his own. I belive he was put here with a unique purpose and personality and if that includes guns thats ok with me, He's mine.
post #48 of 149
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Originally Posted by limabean View Post
No, but you were saying that the only "looking down on" posts had come from the pro-toy-gun camp, and that wasn't true.
Gotcha, I missed the comment before. And no I don't think it was a nice thing to day. I'll edit my OP to say "MOST" instead of the only.
post #49 of 149
We don't allow toy guns in our home for any reason. Our decision is based primarily due to safety. Because we own real guns, we do not want our children to perceive any guns as toys. We are vigilant on teaching gun basic safety and to have toy guns in our home, or to allow them to play with a toy gun, contradicts our efforts and is dangerous and counterproductive.
To those who allow toy gun play, do you have real guns in your home?
post #50 of 149
Actually I was speaking of self examination as a society -the context clue that came before that statement was "for a society who..." I wasn't speaking of anyone personally in this thread. You need to do what you feel comfortable with and what works for your family but if it isn't working for your child, it isn't working "for your family". I just hope people can be honest about that.
post #51 of 149
Please refrain from using the term "white trash". We do not tolerate any type of discrimination in the discussions, including but not limited to racism, heterosexism, classism, religious bigotry, or discrimination toward the disabled. Thank you.

DC
post #52 of 149
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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
Actually I was speaking of self examination as a society -the context clue that came before that statement was "for a society who..." I wasn't speaking of anyone personally in this thread.
Thank you for your clarification -- I guess I was still using the "certain people" as my context clue.

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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
You need to do what you feel comfortable with and what works for your family but if it isn't working for your child, it isn't working "for your family". I just hope people can be honest about that.
May I assume that you mean a general "you" for the rest of this post, and not me in particular? Because if you're directing your hope for honesty at me, I'm not sure what you mean about something not working "for my family." Sorry if I'm being dense.
post #53 of 149
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren View Post
We don't allow toy guns in our home for any reason. Our decision is based primarily due to safety. Because we own real guns, we do not want our children to perceive any guns as toys. We are vigilant on teaching gun basic safety and to have toy guns in our home, or to allow them to play with a toy gun, contradicts our efforts and is dangerous and counterproductive.
To those who allow toy gun play, do you have real guns in your home?

This is a GREAT point, my dh would like to get a gun to go shooting at a range with. (He is not a hunter nor does he plan to kill anything or anyone, LOL)

Just as a stress reliver type thing. He needs a hobby anyways, LOL. and he is NOT a hippy.

So I think that you might be right, I am planning on taking some safety classes about it and mabye get some information there. I actually dont know where I am on that issue. We have never owned a real gun, but dh wants one!
post #54 of 149
Why are you taking my comments so personally?

I mean in general, lots of parents make big pronouncements about needing to do what works for their family, and that is great but hypothetically speaking, if collective *you* don't want your child playing pretend with gun-like objects and your child does, it isn't working for your family... just for.. you.... general "you" that is.

I don't see why people want to mandate their children's imaginary play.
post #55 of 149
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren View Post
We don't allow toy guns in our home for any reason. Our decision is based primarily due to safety. Because we own real guns, we do not want our children to perceive any guns as toys. We are vigilant on teaching gun basic safety and to have toy guns in our home, or to allow them to play with a toy gun, contradicts our efforts and is dangerous and counterproductive.
This is exctly what I think.
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post #57 of 149
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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
Why are you taking my comments so personally?
I took your first post personally because I thought you had alluded to me personally.

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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
I can't believe certain people are suggesting that school shootings and the like are a result of allowing children to pretend gun-play....
As I stated in my response, I was that "certain person" so I replied.
post #58 of 149
When I look at that site I see a plastic molded toy that actually limits my childs creative play. I would rather see my child make a gun out of a stick, their sandwich, a spoon because it can later be a spoon or a wand or - whatever! But I don't like plastic battery (pun, hee!) toys anyway.
post #59 of 149
Thread Starter 
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I am mostly lost in this post at this point, LOL. I was just tryin to help some of you out who might be conflicted about toy guns and violence by showing you a non-violent alternative that is working for me!

Sorry if I am totally lost with all the "advocacy."
post #60 of 149
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Originally Posted by velochic View Post

If kids never pretend to shoot each other, then there is probably no problem (in my eyes) with pretend guns. But if they pretend to shoot each other, ever, then that's treading on very thin ice because at some point, they might blur the lines between pretend and real. That's the danger of guns. You pretend to shoot someone and they don't die... the kids don't see any consequences that the "real thing" has. They become anesthetized to what happens because NOTHING about guns is real until they actually have one in their hands.
I think you are underestimating kids here - they know reality v pretend pretty early on.
And if you think your child may not have it down all the more reason to TALK about it - not BAN guns or gunplay.
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