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30-40% of women have no milk??  

post #1 of 41
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This came about from the "ban the bags" debate, and is what someone told me on a mainstream board when I quoted the 1% statistic. She said that since she had trouble and she knows several other women who had trouble, that the 1% can't possibly be, and it's probably more like 30-40%. Therefore, by "banning the bags," the NY hospitals are being unfair to 1/3-almost 1/2 of all women.

Anyone else ever heard numbers that high? It feels like outside of AP sites, we're basically being told to expect that we won't have enough milk. :

I tried explaining that maybe it was sample bias (as in, when everyone you know on a board has a particular problem, it seems like everyone does. If you go to an infertility board, it feels like the majority of women have infertility problems, even though the population statistic is not that high). Also that a good percentage of those 30-40% of women might have been given wrong information by their doctors, such as "if you don't have milk within 1-2 days, you won't have milk" and "colostrum isn't good enough so you must supplement at first," and so forth. Also that if 1/3-1/2 of all women couldn't produce milk, that it would be an evolutionary disadvantage (animals that can't feed usually die out or evolve other characteristics).

Didn't register.

The girl sounded genuinely discouraged, so this isn't bashing or getting mean. It's just disturbing that people think that so many women can't breastfeed (almost half) or that women are being made to feel that way by medical personnel.

What are other good responses?
post #2 of 41
Where did she get her statistic?? I wouldn't be surprised if 30% of moms have problems, only because there is so much misinformation and so much interference from doctors, hospital staff, well meaning but incorrect advice from family and friends... the thought that "one little bottle can't hurt"...

When you take into account ALL of that, maybe it is 30%. I recently talked with a mom who never knew that an older BF baby could go a week without pooping... she said she was glad I mentioned that because she would have thought her baby wasn't getting enough!!! : Moms are told to breastfeed yet do not have nearly enough information or support.
post #3 of 41
That is completely absurd.
post #4 of 41
Personally, I tend to think the percentage is greater than 1%, but not as great as 30%.

Regardless, I think most women who give birth in hospitals are set up for breastfeeding failure, which translates to an abysmal breastfeeding success rate. A lot of women are led to believe that they "need" to supplement, even if they have an adequate milk supply. So, they end up supplementing and their supply goes down, and then it becomes a vicious cycle and they end up with an INadequate milk supply...

It all depends on how you look at it, and breastfeeding tends to be one of those guilt-inducing subjects, especially if you happen to be one of the "failures" (like me). It's easier to believe that your body just couldn't produce enough than that you mismanaged it. (In my case, though, enough LCs examined me and I've done enough research that my hypoplasia and breast surgeries make it easy for me to believe my body just couldn't produce enough no matter what.)

ETA: Since the advent of breast surgeries (reductions and augmentations), I definitely think the percentage is greater than 1%. I'm not saying every breast surgery leads to an inadequate milk supply, but that it increases the chances of severing enough ducts to make a difference between inadequate and adequate. I hope that wasn't too confusing.
post #5 of 41
Completely absurd. The human race would have long sense died out (or at least eliminated that flaw...) 30%-40% with "problems" brought about by bad advice? Absolutely.

#1. problem- BOTTLES.
#2. problem- not nursing enough
#3. problem- pacifiers

-Angela
post #6 of 41
Crazy! Maybe that woman said that because she has 9 friends and 3 of them were told that they didn't have enough milk. Lots of people think that in the beginning.
post #7 of 41
Thread Starter 
ITA with all replies. She didn't get the stat from anywhere, it was assumed based on her own and her friends's experience. I think 30-40% of her friend circle had trouble. Probably was due to misinformation, or non-baby-friendly hospitals.

For those saying the 1% is too low--what would you estimate? 5%? 10? Just curious.
post #8 of 41
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
Completely absurd. The human race would have long sense died out (or at least eliminated that flaw...) 30%-40% with "problems" brought about by bad advice? Absolutely.

#1. problem- BOTTLES.
#2. problem- not nursing enough
#3. problem- pacifiers

-Angela
Yeah, what she said. The numbers are between 1% and 3%... if 30% of women didn't make enough milk, there wouldn't be so many humans on the planet. That's just stupid. People try to schedule their babies, they give pacis, they supplement, they refuse to nurse at night, they don't nurse immediately after birth, and all of those things will cause supply problems -- but it's not a biological problem. It's a societal problem, and one that the "Ban the Bags" campaign is trying to reverse.
post #9 of 41
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
#1. problem- BOTTLES.
A great big :

Really, there should be some sort of PSA alerting people.







post #10 of 41
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Originally Posted by rmzbm View Post
A great big :

Really, there should be some sort of PSA alerting people.



There are some things the world just isn't ready for... apparently....

-Angela
post #11 of 41
Yeah, I saw that too on the same board I thought it ridiculous too.

I think the ones who hve trouble are more vocal about it on forums like that, the people who are just getting on with it don't post. Therefore it can make it look like a high percentage can't bf.

I posted a thread a while back asking for numbers of those with genuine low supply and the consensus was it's hard to measure. Thre are so many reasons why someone could have low supply and not all in the mom (weak suck/tongue tie, for example) I thnk it is higher than 1%, but nowhere near 30%.
post #12 of 41
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Originally Posted by babylove2007 View Post
ITA with all replies. She didn't get the stat from anywhere, it was assumed based on her own and her friends's experience. I think 30-40% of her friend circle had trouble. Probably was due to misinformation, or non-baby-friendly hospitals.

For those saying the 1% is too low--what would you estimate? 5%? 10? Just curious.
Well, between all the people with breast hypoplasia, PCOS (some with PCOS have unexplained low supply issues), breast surgeries (especially where the areola is involved) and others, I can't really say. Maybe between 5-10% of women will have problems with supply? I don't know; I'm just guessing. But 1% seems very low, especially when you consider all the things that could go wrong. Still, though, even if it's 10%, that means 90% of women will have adequate supplies, and it's still in the majority.

I get the feeling a lot of women have breast surgery these days, though (not all of them sustain enough damage from the surgery to compromise milk supply significantly, but some do).
post #13 of 41
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post


There are some things the world just isn't ready for... apparently....

-Angela
You're SO cutting egde!
post #14 of 41
My mom who is a NICU nurse, took a class at her hospital to relearn everything about the breastfeeding relationship and how to promote it. Before, the hospitals were doing things like scheduled feedings, expecting baby to drink a certain amount of cc's, etc., and it was hurting the nursing relationship with mom. Basically, they learned that babies are born with a stomach the size of a walnut or smaller, making it the perfect size for the small amounts of colostrum you initially produce. When the babe is given a bottle, it gets more fluid initially then it should, stretching the stomach and causing the baby to want more milk then mom is ready to make. Allowing the bottle can sabotage that initial nursing relationship because mom and babe are no longer in unison and the mom is going to feel less then adequate when she can't produce what baby wants, often times leading to insecurities, and most likely giving up on breastfeeding altogether because she "can't make enough milk."

*Bonus* (because I thought it was so cool!) The nurses were also taught in the same class about the breast crawl (I'm pretty sure someone recently posted a video of it on this forum) and how to safely promote it. Also, they "banned the bag" around the same time. It was the hospitals decision and I think they made it quietly because there was never any controversy surrounding it.
post #15 of 41
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Originally Posted by Ms.QsMama View Post
My mom who is a NICU nurse, took a class at her hospital to relearn everything about the breastfeeding relationship and how to promote it. Before, the hospitals were doing things like scheduled feedings, expecting baby to drink a certain amount of cc's, etc., and it was hurting the nursing relationship with mom. Basically, they learned that babies are born with a stomach the size of a walnut or smaller, making it the perfect size for the small amounts of colostrum you initially produce. When the babe is given a bottle, it gets more fluid initially then it should, stretching the stomach and causing the baby to want more milk then mom is ready to make. Allowing the bottle can sabotage that initial nursing relationship because mom and babe are no longer in unison and the mom is going to feel less then adequate when she can't produce what baby wants, often times leading to insecurities, and most likely giving up on breastfeeding altogether because she "can't make enough milk."

*Bonus* (because I thought it was so cool!) The nurses were also taught in the same class about the breast crawl (I'm pretty sure someone recently posted a video of it on this forum) and how to safely promote it. Also, they "banned the bag" around the same time. It was the hospitals decision and I think they made it quietly because there was never any controversy surrounding it.
Good info.! And that makes alot of sense about stretching the tummy out, etc...

Wish more hospitals were realizing this.
post #16 of 41
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Originally Posted by Ms.QsMama View Post

*Bonus* (because I thought it was so cool!) The nurses were also taught in the same class about the breast crawl (I'm pretty sure someone recently posted a video of it on this forum) and how to safely promote it. Also, they "banned the bag" around the same time. It was the hospitals decision and I think they made it quietly because there was never any controversy surrounding it.
Breast Crawl Video
post #17 of 41
While I certainly don't think it's anywhere near 30-40%, I'm guessing that the number is higher than it was say a couple of hundred years ago.

Environmental toxins and poor nutrition have caused some serious hormonal imbalances in many, many woman.
post #18 of 41
The usual number I've heard is 3-5% and that sounds about right. Maybe slightly higher, allowing for breast reduction and so on. But things like PCOS and IGT, more like 3%.

30-40% of women may THINK they have supply problems, but the vast majority of them don't.
post #19 of 41
I had heard that 3% don't have enough milk to exclusively BF due to low supply and 1% cannot BF for other medical reasons. I think it was by Dr. Newman but I'll see if I can find a link.

LP
post #20 of 41
Ask her why, if 40% don't have enough milk from day 1, why 56% of new zealanders are still breastfed at 6 months, 48% of Australians, 65% of Koreans, 68% of Nepalese, 84% of Rwandan and Nepalese, are still EXCLUSIVELY breastfeeding at 6 months - that's no formula, no solids

http://www.childinfo.org/areas/breas...ountrydata.php
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