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post #1441 of 1560
As it is 11th september, I would remind everyone to make duaa for our suffering brothers and sisters in Guantanamo, Baghram prison, and other places where they are victims of the hate of the Kuffars.
post #1442 of 1560
I don't leave my house on 9/11. Which this year means that we're missing out on going to see our exhibits at the County Fair today. I sent my mother over with her digital camera to take pictures of it for us. I think this year in particular, with all the hysteria over Barack Obama's election, the "birthers", the "Muslim" rumors, the health care lies, the school speech, the address to Congress, the guy from South Carolina who yelled "You Lie", the boycott of Glen Beck, the gun show, the recent increase in anti-Muslim attacks in the US and the beatings/killings in the UK... I live in the Bible Belt too... so, yeah, I'm not going out today.
post #1443 of 1560
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I don't leave my house on 9/11. Which this year means that we're missing out on going to see our exhibits at the County Fair today. I sent my mother over with her digital camera to take pictures of it for us. I think this year in particular, with all the hysteria over Barack Obama's election, the "birthers", the "Muslim" rumors, the health care lies, the school speech, the address to Congress, the guy from South Carolina who yelled "You Lie", the boycott of Glen Beck, the gun show, the recent increase in anti-Muslim attacks in the US and the beatings/killings in the UK... I live in the Bible Belt too... so, yeah, I'm not going out today.
: UmmZaynab

I'm in the Bible belt too. I starting wearing hijab right after 9/11...and I got a lot of flack on the first anniversary at work. Many people asked, "how could she do such a thing???" Like I was wearing hijab to offend them. It may/may not lead to my leaving my job...who knows.

Anyway, nothing bad has happened so far today, though. I thought it was quite touching seeing the pictures of Pres. Obama standing in the rain...soaking wet (and not caring)... at the memorial at the Pentagon.
post #1444 of 1560
As-salamu 'alaikom~

Can anyone direct me to places online to buy a very good quality Qur'an (good binding, high grade paper, decorative)? I'd like to make a gift of one to my husband, but I don't want to just buy the first one I find only to later find something nicer for less, you know? I was looking at this one, but I'd like to know what else is out there I like the print style in this one very much, but even the large size is a little small for the price, the seller's images aren't that clear, and I like that the other has a case.

ETA: Also, has anyone seen the Aisha Bewley translation of Tafsir al-Jalalayn?
post #1445 of 1560
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As-salamu 'alaikom~

Can anyone direct me to places online to buy a very good quality Qur'an (good binding, high grade paper, decorative)? I'd like to make a gift of one to my husband, but I don't want to just buy the first one I find only to later find something nicer for less, you know? I was looking at this one, but I'd like to know what else is out there I like the print style in this one very much, but even the large size is a little small for the price, the seller's images aren't that clear, and I like that the other has a case.

ETA: Also, has anyone seen the Aisha Bewley translation of Tafsir al-Jalalayn?
Wa'alaikum Assalam:

The really nice one I have... leather case, illuminated,, etc... was a gift from a friend. I really think if you can, it's worth a trip to an Islamic bookstore. If you can't manage that, I'd try *calling* Halalco in Virginia and speaking to them over the phone. They have a great selection in person, although not the best website... and I think on the phone they could probably offer some great suggestions.

Good luck It's a nice gift.
post #1446 of 1560
Cool. I think I'll see if I can possibly talk them into better descriptions of their color-printed Qur'ans.

I *would* go someplace in person, but likely locations for finding something are all a bit far, and "honey, I need you to watch the kids so I can go buy you ... uh, a thing" kind of takes half the surprise out of it.
post #1447 of 1560

hadith question

i have just read Asra Nomani's book. i am not writing to review/discuss the content, but because i really wish she had used footnotes! since i am just learning about Islam, i don't know how to find my way around hadith, and a couple of things of interest to me were mentioned without giving sources.
example:
"[her friend Mohja] sent me another saying of the Prophet: 'Help your brother whether he is oppressed or oppressing.' When the people asked, 'how can we help him when he is oppressing?' It is said that the Prophet replied, 'Help him to stop oppressing.'"

my question is--and maybe this is a huge one--how do i begin to navigate the sayings of the Prophet? so far, i have read in a few places that those collected by Abu Hurayrah tend to be less reliable/credible, that the Prophets close companions disagreed with him. how do i find the source of a saying of the Prophet, and how do i know (with so many scholars and me not knowing Arabic) where to look if i am interested in reading further?

part of my interest, too, is that Iw ant to know more about the role of Aisha. one positive of Nomani's book for me was her description (again, no source!) of Aisha teaching in the masjid in Medina. i want to know more of this part of history.

thanks and salam.
post #1448 of 1560
You're looking for ... biographies? Or works explaining the method of hadith classification? (Or a little bit of both?)
post #1449 of 1560
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You're looking for ... biographies? Or works explaining the method of hadith classification? (Or a little bit of both?)
a little bit of both, i guess. i was very excited to learn that Aisha was a teacher and a compiler of hadith, afforded a position of such respect.

i've no idea how to find hadith, and as far as i know there is a lot of material.... so wondering where i should start. for example, are there some hadith accepted only by certain schools, while others are accepted by all? some hadith that are more frequently referenced, or turned to for prayerful study and reflection?

i know so little that it is hard to form proper, clear questions.
post #1450 of 1560
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a little bit of both, i guess. i was very excited to learn that Aisha was a teacher and a compiler of hadith, afforded a position of such respect.

i've no idea how to find hadith, and as far as i know there is a lot of material.... so wondering where i should start. for example, are there some hadith accepted only by certain schools, while others are accepted by all? some hadith that are more frequently referenced, or turned to for prayerful study and reflection?

i know so little that it is hard to form proper, clear questions.
Maybe someone will put up a good link to explain this more, but I will try to give you a brief description. There are scholars who complied larged collections for the prophet's (saaws) sayings which can be found in voluminous books (or on the internet ). All of these hadith are rated for authenticy according to different measure including the merits of the one relating it (had to be of very high moral character, honest, have good memory, etc), the relationship of the narrators, etc. So basically they are given ratings by various scholars based on a variety of factors. So it could be considered strongly reliable, good, weak, unknown, strange, fabricated, etc. Most of the time you will see the hadith quoted by who it was compiled by. The two most famous collections are Bukhari and Muslim who made very large collections of highly reliable ahadith. If it is from these two collections it is pretty much granted to be authentic because these scholars were very strict in their criteria and did not put anything in their books they thought to be weak. There are also other collections you will see sited. Sometimes on top of that they will site which scholars said the hadith was authentic. So it will be this hadith was reported by Muslim and such and such scholar said it is sound.

In terms of you looking for ahadith to assist you in your searching/worship. You can read directly from the books of hadith, they are broken up into books related to subjects like the book of sincerity, dreams, purity which contain hadith on those subjects. That is not what I would recommend doing because it can be tedious and lack context so it can be easy to misunderstand the meanings sometimes. I would go more with reading books on the area you are interested that can site sources from the Quran and hadith with a little explanation about them.

I often find when you run into books that don't site the hadith like the one mentioned they tend to lean more into peoples personal opinions and agendas than relying on sticking to the core of the traditional Islamic message. I do not know off hand of any good books dealing with the Aisha, ra, but I am sure there are some out there or I will try to find and article to pass on. One side note I noticed when you talked about her teaching in the masjid in Medina, the prophet's wives all had apartments surrounding the masjid and people used to come to her asking questions. It is not like she had a class going on in the main masjid area. But it goes without saying that she was among the most knowledgeable and respected people in Islamic history. She was a scholar who related to us much about Islam that we know today.
post #1451 of 1560
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Originally Posted by kangamitroo View Post
a little bit of both, i guess. i was very excited to learn that Aisha was a teacher and a compiler of hadith, afforded a position of such respect.

i've no idea how to find hadith, and as far as i know there is a lot of material.... so wondering where i should start. for example, are there some hadith accepted only by certain schools, while others are accepted by all? some hadith that are more frequently referenced, or turned to for prayerful study and reflection?

i know so little that it is hard to form proper, clear questions.
Aisha ... there is a very strong sectarian divide with regard to the respect afforded to her, largely having to do with her more political/military action after the death of her husband. It is one of the reasons that Sunni and Shia hadith collections differ so substantially ... she has been considered far more trustworthy an individual in the Sunni tradition. (Likewise Abu Hurairah, incidentally ... most of the conversation on whether or not he was to be trusted as a reporter of hadith tracks back to "Sunni, yay; Shia, nay.") Anyway, I just bring it up to say that her prevalence in accounts depends a lot on the sources chosen.

Finding hadith ... I kind of like the hadith software ... it's flawed: it's only in English, which makes searching a pain because you have to match to the word choices of the particular translation, and it doesn't include the full chain of transmission, but it's free, so it's hard to beat that. The translations of Bukhari and Muslim also abound online ... here, for example. Though I'm usually the first to say sitting down with books of hadith is mostly tremendously boring. (Think a thousands of hadith with all the excitement of "if anyone buys palm trees after they have been fecundated the fruit belongs to the seller unless the buyer makes a proviso" level of dull. ) Where to look for translated Shia collections, I really don't know.

Honestly, if I wanted to start learning about hadith I would probably start here rather than with the collections themselves -- a good, concise introduction that does explain the classification system and a little information on the narrators.

There are also topical collections which I think might be more what you're looking for than the full unwieldy collections. I really, really like The Content of Character, for example. Or this collection on the attributes of the prophet which has been promised to be forthcoming for a while.

I'm having a hard time thinking of a particular good source for just Aisha's story; your interest in her scholarship did remind me of this book, though, which I'm not sure if I mentioned before or not.
post #1452 of 1560
Kanga:

Not sure if this helps, but I think this is the hadith you were referring to:


Narrated Anas: Allah's Apostle said, "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, "O Allah's Apostle! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?" The Prophet said, "By preventing him from oppressing others." Sahih Bukhari: Volume 3, Book 43, Number 624.



Honestly, I would email her and ask her if she has references she can send you..at least to things she quotes like ahadith. She's a journalist... I have to believe she does.

I usually just go online to find things. A lot of the big Islamic sites have online ahadith databases... but as Liquesce mentioned, you sometimes have to reword things to match the translation. Islamicity has an index based on topic, which can be useful... go to their site, www.islamicity.com , and click on Sunnah (ahadith fall under this). They also have the Forty Ahadith listed... which I simply love.

All ahadith are classified based on the chain of transmission and such. If you really want to get into it, look up mustalah al-hadith. But in general, sahih=sound/authentic; hasan (good), da'if (weak) and maudu' (fabricated, forged). You can read a brief overview at http://www.islamicawakening.com/view...=73&pageID=342 And wiki isn't bad either http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith

As for Aish'a, the only book that comes to mind is the historical fiction thingy that wasn't published last year. In general, Sunnis love her.... Shi'as... not so much love. Try this one http://www.amazon.com/Aisha-Beloved-.../dp/0863560075

post #1453 of 1560
OK, color me surprised... it was published after all.

http://www.amazon.com/Jewel-Medina-S...m_cr_pr_sims_t


It was VERY controversial... and is historical fiction. BUT, I haven't read it... so I don't feel 100% comfortable trashing it. I'm guessing it's a bit like the Philippa Gregory novels... based on truth, but a lot assumed/guessed. I actually may see if my library has it so I can give a better review.
post #1454 of 1560
I came back to edit and add: I was trying to think of a book I've seen that has collected all together the hadith narrated by women, but didn't remember the title until after I posted ... this one.

Also, on the historical fiction front that umsami noted, I've not read either so I just go on what I hear, but there are two -- The Jewel of Medina linked above, which has typically been very badly reviewed by Muslims, and Mother of the Believers, which I have *heard* is a far more respectful treatment.

ETA yet again: There is a review of the latter work of fiction here, a response to the review from the author here, and an ensuing conversation between the author, the reviewer, and others in the comments section of the response. I went looking to reread the review for my own interests, but I link them here because I think it illustrates an interesting point. Here we have two books, released close to the same time as one another, on the same subject. The criticism of The Jewel of Medina has been taking excessive liberties with staying true to Muslim sources and depictions of the sexuality of the prophet, and that criticism has been extremely loud and harsh, including sight unseen calls for boycotts of publishers, etc. The criticism of Mother of the Believers is also having to do with depictions of the sexuality of the prophet and sexuality in Islam, but has been quiet and comes in the fuller context of overall respect for the work in accordance with the respect the author is said to show for Muslim sources and beliefs. I think it actually illustrates quite nicely how different discourse on a particular subject matter goes, even when that matter is of a potentially highly controversial nature, depending upon whether or not the intentions behind it are perceived to be sincere, good, and informed.
post #1455 of 1560
Oooh...thanks Liquesce for posting about "Mother of the Believers." I hadn't heard of it, and now totally want to get it. It may be my bday/Eid present to myself. :

I also noticed this book on Khadijah which looks good. http://www.amazon.com/Khadija-First-...ref=pd_sim_b_1
post #1456 of 1560
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OK, color me surprised... it was published after all.

http://www.amazon.com/Jewel-Medina-S...m_cr_pr_sims_t


It was VERY controversial... and is historical fiction. BUT, I haven't read it... so I don't feel 100% comfortable trashing it. I'm guessing it's a bit like the Philippa Gregory novels... based on truth, but a lot assumed/guessed. I actually may see if my library has it so I can give a better review.
I read a review on it, but its in Swedish, so I guess the link would not do you any good hehe...

Anyways, the brother said it was shocking, ugly, nasty and not a book any muslims should want to read. Lies mixed with truths, weak hadiths and strong hadiths in a mixture of sex, drama and more sex... Ugly!
post #1457 of 1560
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Oooh...thanks Liquesce for posting about "Mother of the Believers." I hadn't heard of it, and now totally want to get it. It may be my bday/Eid present to myself. :

I also noticed this book on Khadijah which looks good. http://www.amazon.com/Khadija-First-...ref=pd_sim_b_1
Cool. I must admit a bigger soft spot for Khadijah than Aisha, myself. And a lot of the biographical information I've read on either of them has often been ... hmm, overly pious? I know that sounds weird coming from me. But I just mean they were really heavy on religious commentary and the language of piety when all I really wanted was a well-written, engaging write-up of the facts.
post #1458 of 1560
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Cool. I must admit a bigger soft spot for Khadijah than Aisha, myself. And a lot of the biographical information I've read on either of them has often been ... hmm, overly pious? I know that sounds weird coming from me. But I just mean they were really heavy on religious commentary and the language of piety when all I really wanted was a well-written, engaging write-up of the facts.
the overly pious bit....even as i said "yes, interested in biography" i had the groan in the back of my mind about overly pious bios (catholic childhood, so i saw lots of them). the books you mentioned "The Women Scholars" and "Encyclopedia of Muhammad's women companions"--they might be more what I'm looking for. now, if only i were not unemployed, or had some secret patron who wanted to fund my purchase of Islamic books

all of this feedback about hadith and classification has been very helpful.

interesting btw to hear how views of Aisha are part of the Sunni/Shia divide.

blessings to all of you in this holy month. i can't thank you enough for your guidance.:
post #1459 of 1560
i am visiting the mosque for friday prayers this week. i can ask my hostess about using the library! i better re-read and make my book list, just in case.
post #1460 of 1560
Yay for libraries! My own book wish list is always a mile long, but whenever anyone asks me what I want for birthdays or whatever I always answer "Amazon gift certificates!" or the like, so at least occasionally I get to whittle it down.

If you want to know what happened with Aisha, read about the Battle of the Camel. If you know the heightened level of veneration that Shia Islam attributes to Ali, their greater distrust of Aisha begins to make sense. Even Sunni sources often admit that her choices there were problematic, but simply don't let the problematic nature of it all call into question her trustworthiness in a broader respect.
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