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post #161 of 177
I decided that was too off topic I'll start another thread and ask
post #162 of 177
Can I offer my semi-educated opinion? I think there are quite a number of Jews out there that are "spirituality seekers". Many of these kids were exposed to either the Hebrew School version of Judaism or the ethnic Jewish "home-school" version. So when they decide to seek spirituality, they feel like they already *tried* Judaism, they must need to look elsewhere, right? I think this also answers why they are so many JuBu's and Jews in ashrams, etc. We are really overrepresented in many other religions and cults.
post #163 of 177
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Fair enough; let me qualify-- OF the individuals with whom I have communicated on the subject who call themselves Christians, at least 90% believe as I have described. These would be people of all walks of life, of various denominations, from all over the world (though a fair majority of them live in central PA). I've met travelling missionaries of all stripes, I've done a little bit of travelling, I've spoken with people over the internet and I've had the distinct impression that this is what the vast majority of Christians believe. The other 10% usually believe either that a) it's all allegory or b) that Jesus already fulfilled all of the prophecies (. It may not be true of the people you know or the churches you've been to, but it's very true of the people I've encountered, and there have been many. Even people who are only nominally Christian are willing, nay eager, to preach to my heathen ass. A lot of them talk to me. A LOT. :
And I'm definitely not trying to preach to your "heathen ass." It just irks me that the most public face of Christianity is the kind that your describing, and that is by no means representative of all or even most Christians, now or throughout history.
post #164 of 177
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Originally Posted by Potty Diva View Post
I'm not Jewish.
I'm reconciling with my Catholic childhood (through my stepmother) and will begin RCIA in September).

And *I* see and AGREE with what merpk and others are saying. Jesus did not fulfill requirements to be messiah for Jews, but DOES fulfill requirements to be the Messiah for Christians.

Why is this such a hard concept to grasp for some?
I don't know if you're going to be too happy, then. The RCC teaches that Jesus was THE Messiah (not just a Messiah for Christians) who fulfilled all of the Hebrew prophecies.
post #165 of 177
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The RCC teaches that Jesus was THE Messiah (not just a Messiah for Christians) who fulfilled all of the Hebrew prophecies.
Just curious: What are the prophesies delineated by the RCC that he is said by the RCC to have fulfilled?
post #166 of 177
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Originally Posted by mamaverdi View Post
Just curious: What are the prophesies delineated by the RCC that he is said by the RCC to have fulfilled?
Please see my above posts.
post #167 of 177
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Originally Posted by CherryBomb View Post
I don't know if you're going to be too happy, then. The RCC teaches that Jesus was THE Messiah (not just a Messiah for Christians) who fulfilled all of the Hebrew prophecies.
Yes, I am aware of this. What's your point?
post #168 of 177
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Yes, I am aware of this. What's your point?
I just think it's interesting, given the topic of the thread. If you don't believe Jesus is who the RCC says He is, why would you want to be one? Isn't that the kind of thing we've been talking about wrt to Judaism?

At any rate I don't really care, I was simply pointing it out since it seemed possible you might not realize.
post #169 of 177
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So in another thread there is an assertion that to say "Jesus cannot be the Jewish messiah and I'll tell you why" is disrespectful and is the equivalent of saying "I'm right and you're wrong."

I respectfully disagree.

Saying Jesus is not the Jewish messiah is stating the facts of Judaism and is stating normative Jewish thought in *all* streams of Judaism.



Saying that Jesus is the Jewish messiah is stating Christian theology, or Messianic theology, which is not Jewish theology. And you know what? Saying that Jesus is the Jewish messiah is insulting to Jews.



Again, to be clear:

You all can say Jesus was the messiah all you want. No problems there. It's when you say he was the Jewish Messiah that it's a problem.




And while I'm at it, Christian theology and Muslim theology are both "supercessionist" (sp?) in that they say Judaism blew it and they are the "correct" and "final say" on the subject. Is that disrespectful as well? So do I get to be offended when anything Abrahamic-yet-not-Jewish is posted?
I agree with your post.
post #170 of 177
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Originally Posted by CherryBomb View Post
I just think it's interesting, given the topic of the thread. If you don't believe Jesus is who the RCC says He is, why would you want to be one? Isn't that the kind of thing we've been talking about wrt to Judaism?

At any rate I don't really care, I was simply pointing it out since it seemed possible you might not realize.
And this is where we differ in thinking. To me my conversion to Catholicism and this thread topic are not related. THIS is the problem with posters who do not understand this thread topic.
post #171 of 177
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Originally Posted by ChasingPeace View Post
Please see my above posts.
Help me out here and link me to which ones, please?
post #172 of 177
See posts 46 and 136. These articles might also be helpful:

http://www.angelfire.com/ms/seanie/disp.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ms/seanie/disp/disp4.html
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03744a.htm

This article explains the historically recent view of dispensationalism (I didn't realize it had a name!) that expects literal fulfillment of the prophecies of the Hebrew Bible at the time of the so-called Second Coming:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism
post #173 of 177
Okay, well before, I was certain I wasn't confused, but now I definitely am. My understanding before was the the RCC does NOT teach that the fulfillment of the prophecies was literal.

But when CherryBomb says this:
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Originally Posted by CherryBomb View Post
The RCC teaches that Jesus was THE Messiah (not just a Messiah for Christians) who fulfilled all of the Hebrew prophecies.
I think she does mean fulfilling the prophesies. The actual ones. Not metaphoric.

post #174 of 177
Now I'm confused.
post #175 of 177
I can't speak for CherryBomb, but I don't think she meant that Jesus fulfilled all of the prophesies in a literal way--it would be inconsistent with Roman Catholic teaching. I think she meant that the RCC teaches that Jesus is the fulfillment of the prophesies (not all literally) in the Hebrew Bible, and that he was the promised Messiah for all. Roman Catholics do not believe there is another spiritual Messiah coming for the Jews, if that's what's confusing you.
post #176 of 177
My posts have nothing to do with Catholicism- just to clarify.
post #177 of 177
Okay, if that's what she meant, now I understand.
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