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post #81 of 142
i've raised my children to believe that sex is beautiful and natural, and to understand how the body and mind react to it. i've encouraged them to explore their own emotions, and to be prepared for the urging of hormones.

in addition to my four girls, 14, 11, 9, and 4, i raised my step-daughter. she's now 22. the best thing i did for her was to teach her to be her OWN person. to be able to say "no" because she wasn't ready. to think for herself. she waited for sex until she was eighteen and ready to handle it. i was seventeen, and also ready.

there's nothing more beautiful and special than the human body, and how it reacts. sex is fun, sex is empowering...and darn it, it FEELS GOOD. that doesn't mean i want my CHILD having it.

when hailey would go to the movies with friends, she'd turn around...and i'd be there. when she went dancing...there i was. our relationship was so special, she'd just invite me to come along. on new years, she was allowed a glass of wine or champagne. did she drink when she became an adult? a little, but not excessively.

when she had her first sexual experience, she told me about it...we openly discuss sex and partners now...positions...that sort of thing. sex isn't shameful, but i'm not having my kids engage in activities that they are not emotionally prepared to handle...and not under my roof.

if she (or one of her sisters) were at a boyfriend's house, and his parents allowed sexual relations on their premises, i would definitely consider legal ramifications. and YES, i would want to know that they allowed such.

of course, my children aren't allowed in houses that have cigarette smoke, either. *shrugs*

and in my opinion, if you're actually ready to HAVE sex, you should also be able to tell your parents AND his. if you can't talk about it...
post #82 of 142
She would be 14. That's a minor and under the age of consent, which means she didn't "choose" anything.
post #83 of 142
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Originally Posted by holly6737 View Post
It might sound offensive, but it's accurate. Yes, I want more for my kids than mutual masturbation. Sex is the union of two souls in the spirit of love, commitment, celebration of that love, trust and safety. It's not something to be taken lightly, it is sacred. I don't believe this way because of any religion or any God, but because that is what my body and my heart tell me. I want my sons growing up having respect for women and their bodies. How can they respect women and their bodies if every girl they come across is so insecure in herself and so in need of approval to just let anyone inside of her? An atmosphere of complete permissiveness when it comes to adolescent sex absolutely fosters and nurtures the objectification of women. I don't know what flavor of feminism you all subscribe to, but my flavor of feminism is against disrespecting women, against the objectification of women and against rape (and girls having sex under the age of consent is rape no matter what shade you color it).

I suppose what it all boils down to is your value system. My value system (which is not based on any God or religion as much as some of you might like to think) tells me that sex is more that an exchange of fluids. I guess if someone else's value system tells them that sex is merely a physical transaction and nothing more, then sure, let your CHILDREN have sex in your home. Just make sure to be responsible about it and drive them to the health department every three months for a complete STD/HIV screening, and be prepared for any of the tests to come back positive, because whether you think they're using condoms consistently or not, it is a possibility.
Wow. (I guess that's all I can say to your posts ) You are assuming that you can judge from the outside what a sex act means to the participants. You are assuming that being a sex positive parent is teaching your daughter to "have such low self esteem she lets any guy inside her". You are assuming that a woman under an arbitrary numerical age that you have never met is unable to make an important life decision for herself.

Those assumptions are based on your own beliefs and I do not appreciate you using them to make blanket statements about women. I was NOT raped when I chose to have sex under the age of consent. I WAS able to make that decision for myself. I don't care that you feel YOU were unable to make that decision, that sex before the age of consent can only be an exchange of bodily fluids AND rape and therefore abhorrent TO YOU, but please... do not put your judgments on everyone else, because they do not apply.

ETA: What could possibly be more respectful of women than allowing THEM to make their own choices and morals regarding sex?
post #84 of 142
I guess it's a matter of what you believe the act of sex to mean. I don't believe it's "the union of two souls in the spirit of love, commitment, celebration of that love, trust and safety" Haven't you ever had great sex with someone you didn't love? I have and I've only regretted not doing it a few more times!

I hope that my children will wait until they are adults. Most of the time that doesn't happen and I'd like them to be safe.
post #85 of 142
I think some of us have different views on what sex is and why people want to engage in it.

Sex can be a meeting of souls, yes, and that is so beautiful when it happens. But I also find value in sex when I am bored, sex when I am sad and want to feel close and snuggling isn't achieving that, sex when I am physically aroused and want to "exchange fluids..." There are lots of reasons people have sex and I don't discount ones that don't fit a certain romanticized ideal. This is my opinion.

(While on the subject of romance, someone mentioned on the other thread about the tensions and sexually charged encounters with a boyfriend and she likened that to "romance." I also have a very different idea of what romance means....and when I used the word "romanticized" in the paragraph above, I wasn't referring to romance as in flowers and candies, I mean sort of overly idealized and lofty, the way it was historically meant.)
post #86 of 142
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Originally Posted by loriforeman View Post
i've raised my children to believe that sex is beautiful and natural, and to understand how the body and mind react to it. i've encouraged them to explore their own emotions, and to be prepared for the urging of hormones.

in addition to my four girls, 14, 11, 9, and 4, i raised my step-daughter. she's now 22. the best thing i did for her was to teach her to be her OWN person. to be able to say "no" because she wasn't ready. to think for herself. she waited for sex until she was eighteen and ready to handle it. i was seventeen, and also ready.

there's nothing more beautiful and special than the human body, and how it reacts. sex is fun, sex is empowering...and darn it, it FEELS GOOD. that doesn't mean i want my CHILD having it.

when hailey would go to the movies with friends, she'd turn around...and i'd be there. when she went dancing...there i was. our relationship was so special, she'd just invite me to come along. on new years, she was allowed a glass of wine or champagne. did she drink when she became an adult? a little, but not excessively.

when she had her first sexual experience, she told me about it...we openly discuss sex and partners now...positions...that sort of thing. sex isn't shameful, but i'm not having my kids engage in activities that they are not emotionally prepared to handle...and not under my roof.

if she (or one of her sisters) were at a boyfriend's house, and his parents allowed sexual relations on their premises, i would definitely consider legal ramifications. and YES, i would want to know that they allowed such.

of course, my children aren't allowed in houses that have cigarette smoke, either. *shrugs*

and in my opinion, if you're actually ready to HAVE sex, you should also be able to tell your parents AND his. if you can't talk about it...
Excellent post & ITA!

I don't even let my kids start dating until they're 16.
post #87 of 142
I saw this thread and wanted to add a perspective I had not seen yet... I was talked into my first sexual encounter (we were both 17). It was my decision, but I made it thinking that I was going to lose my boyfriend if I didn't finally give in. I obviously cared a lot more for him than he cared for me, we broke up shortly after. Some of you have described sex as a nautral, beautiful, special time for exploration and such. You make is sound so pleasant. I don't think that you can actually feel those feelings until you are mature enough to see the relationship for what it is instead of what you want it to be. Most girls have these notions when they "give it up" for the first time, that they will "love" him forever and he feels the same way. How often does this really happen?
"basically, if my daughter was willing to use BC at all times and terminate any pregnancy that occurred before she was an adult, I'd be ok with her being sexually active. In my home even! DH will probably not agree with that"QUOTED
If she was mature enough to be having sex to begin with, then she had better be ready to be a parent. Are you seriously stating that it would be ok with you for your teen to have sex as long as she terminated the NATURAL consequence of sex?? Isn't the real point of sex for population and mating? Not just because it is natural and feels good.

On the idea of my child having sex in my home..I would never allow it. When he/she is ready I will talk to them about it(no matter who brings up the subject) but they will not do it in my house. I did the deed, then birthed that child myself and I would not be ok with hearing him/her moaning and groaning in the next bedroom. No matter what age!! I would never have sex at my inlaws house out of respect for them and embarassment for myself.
post #88 of 142
No, I've never had great sex with someone I didn't love. I've had 2 sexual partners in my entire life. One was a guy in college that I had been dating for 3 years. I was afraid he was going to leave me and I thought sex would make him love me. Wrong. Horrible sex by the way. Never orgasmed, totally unfulfilling sex, I wouldn't even call it sex, it was more of a physical activity, it meant nothing. Then there was and is, Avram, with whom sex is definitely a "meeting of two souls" and only takes place in the spirit of love, trust, commitment and safety- regardless of whether we're bored, sad or aroused. It is incredible, orgasmic and absolutely mind-blowing. I was and am, by the way, Avram's first and only sexual partner. That was by choice and it definitely wasn't a religious choice.

I don't want my kids to have sex before college at least, but I also know I can't stop them. If they want to have sex, they will find a way. Which is why, from the beginning, they will learn that sex is a beautiful act between two people who love each other, and that they should respect their and women's bodies. They will also know where to get condoms, the extreme importance of wearing them and where the health department is. I can't stop them from having sex, but that doesn't mean I need to help them have sex either. I will not encourage or facilitate sex in my home between teenagers. Ever. And that's because I want to protect my children and I feel that this is a very important way to do so, personally, for my family. Sex is a very adult decision/act that leads to very adult consequences. I don't see anything childish about HIV, pregnancy or any of the other incurable sexually transmitted diseases.
post #89 of 142
Well, my baby is in my womb still, but i ve been thinking of this. to the OP question, i say yes depending on how big my house is!!
I wouldnt encourage casual meaningless sex. I dont think sex is a means to keep a boyfriend, that attitude is showing a great deal of insecurity. But I think that if you want to have sex, and you dont because of fear of waht people might think, shows a great deal of insecurity too.
I believe sex is magical, and i had sex with many people and i wasnt in love with all of them, but theres a connection that is gonna be there always. and i think that the connection sex creates not always ends in marriage. I had sex and after became really good friends with that person. So, in that way, for me it was about love, trust, bonding...but not neccesarily in a romantic relationship way. I had sex and fell in love a few times, and the relationship ended at some point. I dont think thats a failure, is just that as a couple we gave each other enough and it was time for our love to mutate and manifest in a different way.
What I dont like about this thing of wait till you get married is...what if you dont want to get married?Or waht if you dont want to do it after college?Then you dont have sex? Why is a social convention more valid than your own feelings?
post #90 of 142
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Originally Posted by jlmack45 View Post
If she was mature enough to be having sex to begin with, then she had better be ready to be a parent. Are you seriously stating that it would be ok with you for your teen to have sex as long as she terminated the NATURAL consequence of sex?? Isn't the real point of sex for population and mating? Not just because it is natural and feels good.
Well, I am not the previous poster, but I'll bite. I don't think you have to be ready to be a parent to have sex. My family is complete, yet I continue to have a sexual relationship with my partner.

The "point" of sex is different for each person. I believe that the decision whether to carry a pregnancy to term is always that of the woman involved, and her age is irrelevant. I certainly wouldn't be in favor of forcing someone to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term as "punishment" for sexual activity.
post #91 of 142
Teaching your kid to be their OWN person is not defined by deciding for them when they are too young for sex.
post #92 of 142
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Originally Posted by readytobedone View Post
it always bothers me that people think children don't have sexualities. they do. there is no real "innocence" to childhood IMO
As a survivor of childhood sexual assault, this statement is highly disturbing to me. There is an innocence to childhood, absolutely. This statement is almost IMO condoning child molestation. If children are sexual beings in the sense that they aren't "innocent" and can make choices consenting to sexual relations, what's the problem with, say, a 45 year old man approaching a 9 year old girl, proposing sex with her and so then they have sex? (And don't say this never happens, where the girl "consents" for one reason or the other even if it is just by silence, I worked for a rape crisis center in college and it absolutely does happen) Where do you draw the line? According to some of you on this board, she, a 9 year old, could be just as sexual as a 24 year old, right? And according to some of you, she also could have the mental capacity to consent to sex at this age, right? Perhaps she's just wanting to "explore"?

After all, we don't want to decide for our children at what age they are too young to have sex. And we would want to trust that they would have the sense of mind to choose an appropriate sexual partner. We wouldn't want to limit her exploration. We definitely wouldn't want her to end up having sex in a car, so probably we should provide her a room and welcome this man into our family. Have him over for dinner, provide condoms, and leave them alone (give them privacy for goodness sakes!) in her room afterwards. After all, we want her to be her own person...
post #93 of 142
My mom allowed sex in our house. She didnt want to "find out from the nieghbors they had seen me doing it in the car" She runs and had caught kids in the ditch, in cars, in the cemetary etc. She was very open with us. I had sex at 16 and didnt regret it at all. I have had sex for fun, spiritual sex that made me feel sooo high, sex that was just for me, sex to make babies etc
I dont value any kind over another. Sometimes *gasp* i have sex because dh wants to even if i am not really in the mood, sometimes dh does the same.

At 16 *I* decided i wanted to have sex with my boyfriend of a year. *I* went to the clinic and got on bc. After a few months *I* approached him and said i wanted to have sex. I was not victimized. I didnt think we would be together forever. AS a matter of fact i never wanted to get married. With all my scandelous premarital sex with people i didnt plan to marry or sometimes i didnt even love (gasp horror!) i managed NOT to get pg, get an std or feel bad about myself.

I had sex with dh after only a few dates. We then later bought a house, got married and planned a pregnancy.

I dont feel like i missed out. I feel like i lived so fully.

Dh was raised in a strict religious background so he snuck around, didnt use protection and "devirginized" 3 girls. They all got in trouble at church and were made to feel terrible. One of the girls thought if she didnt orgasm she couldnt get pg. One of them thought that there were 2 holes for sex and if they used the vagina they would not get pg. It was ridiculous.

DD is only 3 but i dont see myself being uptight about it. I want to talk about it with her and let her know it can be fun, or sad, or sucky and also dangerous to her health.

On a side note - my little sisters are 12 and 16. The 16 year old is having sex and is very careful as both of the girls said they never want to get pg because A - they have seen me vomit out my nose while pg, they saw my cs scar fresh from the surgery, and they think SID dd is wild. Best birth ontrol ever!
post #94 of 142
I'm terribly sorry to all of you who have had negative experiences having sex as young women. However, you cannot project your experiences onto others, including your children. That was YOUR experience and it won't be the same for everyone, including your children.

Everyone has to make that decision for themselves whenever they chose to make it.
post #95 of 142
Purely addressing the OP, I think I would be OK with my kids having sex in my house but only as long as they were in a committed relationship. I wouldn't necessarily want it to happen within earshot (just like I wouldn't be having sex within their earshot) but I also wouldn't want them to think it was the end of the world if I came home early one day and caught them in the act. I would like to know if they were doing it, but wouldn't want to know the details, ykwim?

I also probably would wait until they were maybe 16 or so until I gave them a free ticket for sex in my house.

My parents still won't let my husband and I sleep in the same room together. Well, they might now, but when we were living together for two years and engaged, they wouldn't. It was against their principles. WTH? I'm a college grad and living with my significant other, you'd THINK it'd be OK, but no...

Also while I didn't have sex at home as a teenager, the one time I brought a boyfriend home (we weren't even kissing or doing ANYTHING sexual), my father started screaming at me, calling me names, saying how he was ashamed a S* like me was his daughter etc. He just couldn't believe we WEREN'T having sex. So sad. It was a very negative attitude and I think parents who are more accepting or open-minded are doing their kids a big favor by not causing rifts like that and closing down communication.
post #96 of 142
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Originally Posted by Amber Lion View Post
Everyone has to make that decision for themselves whenever they chose to make it.
I haven't said anything contrary to this at all. If they really want to have sex, they will find a way. That's what parenting is, isn't it? You teach your children right from wrong, respect for themselves and for other people, you set expectations, limits and boundaries and then you have to let go and hope that they make the right decisions. I can't control my sons decisions, and I wouldn't want to, but I do want him growing up having respect for himself, and others, and having some character about him. And one way to do that, IMO, is to not encourage sexual relations between him and another person in my house, especially if the little girl is under the age of consent in which case he could be charged with rape (which it is), and have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
post #97 of 142
So, for those of you who are "sex positive" (I always thought I was sex positive until this thread) what age is too young, where you would have a problem with it? If your 10 year old was ready to explore, would you let him or her?
post #98 of 142
At 10 they could learn about it but not practice it... I would be OK with them doing it at about 16, assuming they were in a relationship with a decent, mature individual... At least that's what I think now, in theory. I don't know if I will feel that is the right age with my own kids.
post #99 of 142
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Originally Posted by loriforeman View Post
and in my opinion, if you're actually ready to HAVE sex, you should also be able to tell your parents AND his. if you can't talk about it...
I've never understood this line of reasoning. I mean what adults discuss their sex lives with their parents? How many threads on mdc do you see that are about conflicts between ILs and parents butting in on topics such as religion, baptism, circumcision, vaccination, etc. etc.

Would you say that parents who don't want to tell their parents/ILs about their choice not to vaccinate are not mature enough to be having children? If I don't want to discuss my religion with my parents should I continue to follow their faith instead? Should gays be celibate until they come out of the closet to their parents?

You also don't know what the consequences are for these kids. For one of my friends, she was told she either had to marry him or be kicked out of the house. She married him, he was abusive, and leaving him became all the more complicated because they have a marriage license.

As to what is too young, it depends on the individual, but I would only allow it if it were legal (since my state has relatively reasonable guidelines about what's legal and what's not... in other states I might not have that requirement.)
post #100 of 142
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Originally Posted by pumpkinyum View Post
So, for those of you who are "sex positive" (I always thought I was sex positive until this thread) what age is too young, where you would have a problem with it? If your 10 year old was ready to explore, would you let him or her?
Alone, yes. With a partner, hell no. I will be sure that my children don't have the opportunity to have sex before A) we've talked about it to death and B) they HAVE in hand birth control of several forms and C) they are 16.
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