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post #1 of 72
Thread Starter 
Are any of you planning a lotus birth or have had one? I am having my third homebirth & happily choosing this option again but don't know anyone else, in fact I am my MW's only client to ever do one. I would love to have someone to talk about this with.
post #2 of 72
I think there are a couple of moms on the UC board who did lotus birth. Probably on here too
post #3 of 72
Thank you for mentioning this! I just recently discovered the lotus philosophy and it made so much sense to me on both a mental and a heart level. I am still deliberating, so I'm so happy to hear about any one else experience with it. It feels so appropriate and beautiful, but not without challenges. I am concerned about the awkwardness of it, or of my self or my partner being weirded out by it. We've been so conditioned to envision a newborn without a placenta attached. This is not a strong enough reason for me to cut her cord though, I think it's something I can get over and should, because her emotional and psychological comfort are more important to me. I guess I just want to ensure that if it's something we choose to do, that we clear ourselves of the fear/aversion/disgust as best we can so that doesn't influence our first few days with her. So, this is me airing my concerns, hoping to set them free in the process. Thanks for helping create a space to do that with other mamas!
I'm excited to hear what others have to say, maybe we can create more of a continuous forum for this in the future.
post #4 of 72
We've had Lotus Births for 3 of our last 4 babes. Check out my ds2's story here. I'm always happy to talk about it!!
post #5 of 72
Thread Starter 
Oh good there are some other Moms out there choosing this.

My MIL suggested lotus birth (but didn't have a name for it) I searched the internet for people doing this & discovered the term.

We also rinsed the placenta & prepared it with seasalt & trad herbs of our people. We also wrapped in cloth diapers, covered by little baggies I made & wrapped the cord. My youngest had low apgar scores at first but they came up good & fast, the midwife is now convinced it is because of the placenta. My 2 younger babies also did not cry after birth as so many do. I also swaddled baby with the placenta after day 1. When my babies gave up their plancentas I cared for them in our traditional way.

It's only for a few days & I don't go anywhere at that point. I was feasted the day following my babies birth & friends and family were there. No one was grossed out by babies little package until they asked what it was. They are comfortable with the idea now.

I was so happy & pleased with the lotus birth & not sure why more Women don't do it. My MIL has suggested this to other Women looking for advice on having their babies (she is an Elder in our community) but no one else has followed this advice. Also the ladies who attend my birth have suggested this but even the bush baby Mom's didn't go for this, & they tend to be way open to stuff like this. I don't go to bush births now but my friends still do & keep me updated. I'm still waiting for another Mom though.

So yeah if there are more of us out here lets get talking.
post #6 of 72
I don't get lotus birth. I do wholeheartedly support women/families doing what they think is best for themselves...but I don't get lotus birth. I think that the revulsion mentioned by someone else is perfectly natural to feel about a rotting piece of meat, and not something to 'get past' for any reason whatsoever. I don't believe that babies care one bit about the placenta as soon as they are out, because they immediately start caring about looking at the their loved ones and sucking booby, yum! No loss there, just amazing new gifts and sensations that now take their attention...babies just aren't as attached to past moments, or to things, as we learn later to be, they just want love, warmth and milk in plenty, whatever else is going on. And from what I've read about it, the way the cord gets so stiff as it dries would make me worry about joggling the site of cord insertion--baby's umbilicus--too much, and cause a bleed or just discomfort for the baby. It also sounds very very inconvenient to the parents/loved ones caring for the baby...I never wanted more work once I had the baby, I just wanted to lie around and love on em, in whatever positions suited us best in any moment. Never could think of a persuasive reason to deal with the placenta and cord...and like I said, I don't believe that babies really care about it.

I've been around a lot of different mammal births, and they all either eat the whole placenta, or at least some part of it. Those who don't eat it all, get the heck away from it as soon as baby can walk away with them, cuz it draws flies and predators. Those who eat it all are usually predators themselves, and will lick up every last drop of blood and fluid, which keeps the strong odor of rotting blood from announcing the presence of food to their predator neighbors. The predators also most often give birth in a cave or other sheltered place that they can protect. Some grazers will eat the whole placenta, but will then get away from the birthing spot soon (they birth in the open) because they won't try to lick up the blood and fluid and it will attract predators to their still-vulnerable young.

It seems perfectly natural to me to eat the placenta (well it does now, didn't at the time I was having my babies); it also seems perfectly human to memorialize and give meaning to the placenta by burying it under a tree, for instance, or otherwise honoring it in a rite of passage from one stage of life to another. But lotus birth to me, goes beyond ritual into unnatural, into created meanings that seem well removed from nature and our instincts...without much benefit to anyone and more work than it's worth (along with that worry about jostling the baby's umbilicus).

So...all this is not meant to be a way of discouraging anyone else, or criticizing any lotus birther's choice. Just my opinion, and I really do respect yours. Hey lots of people don't 'get' some of what I find special in my life, that's perfectly ok. I don't have any objection to people undertaking rituals that mean something to them, and in general I think rituals and honoring life passages are wonderful things. But it seems strange to me that anyone believes that this is a custom that should be urged on others....lotus birth is fairly rare because most people feel pretty much as I do about it, like ewww, why on earth???? At least, this is what I've gathered over the years from many discussions with people about it. 'Evangelizing' lotus birth--urging others to do it, wishing others would do it, feeling others are missing out by not doing it...

well, this reminds me of religious evangelizing, I have to say. Sharing info is one thing...sharing one's own wonderful experiences with others...these are totally natural things for humans to do, and can be a gift to the receiver. And when it gets to the point of feeling that you have to try to get others to do it, well that feels just like religious evangelizing to me--disrespectful of others private, personal and sacred connections with the divine and with their own ways of making meaning and celebrating life. There's just no one right way when it comes to this stuff, and such strong reasons to let private matters remain private without evangelizing. If you really love lotus birth, let your own joy in it be enough to suit you--same thing I'd say to any Mormon or JW who showed up at my door with tracts and instant salvation.

So the only reason I say all this is that a pp mentioned wondering why others didn't want to try it. I'm just giving my reasons why, reasons I've heard echoed by lots of others over a long time.

Now, I'll get the heck off this thread and let you all get back to it--wasn't meaning to rant, but I think I'll just let this stand rather than editing. I just couldn't resist what felt like a bit of an invitation to a devil's advocate.... It's not that I don't want you to enjoy what you do, not at all! More power and joy to you and your babies.
post #7 of 72
It is so interesting that you posted this today! I'm currently engaged in a discussion on another non-MDC board about Lotus Birth where I'm the only one who knows anything about it and I'm not yet a mama (nor am I TTC).

It is definitely something we'll be considering. I don't know how far we'll go with it, but it just feels natural to allow the connection to the placenta to continue longer than what is considered "normal". Definitely until the placenta has been delievered and most likely until the cord withers. After that, we'll see what feels right for us.
post #8 of 72
Thread Starter 
hmm, I've never had difficulty with the cord, has anyone else? I think the uncut cord is probably less dried then it looks, otherwise it would be stiff & died into one position. Anyone else with thoughts on this?
post #9 of 72
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Originally Posted by InaX5 View Post
hmm, I've never had difficulty with the cord, has anyone else? I think the uncut cord is probably less dried then it looks, otherwise it would be stiff & died into one position. Anyone else with thoughts on this?
Like I said in a PP, we've experienced LB 3 times. We've never encountered an issue w/ irriration at the cord insertion site, bleeding from the umbilicus, or any other concern w/ letting the cord detach naturally. And to the contrary it wasn't an inconveinence at all. We were able to do ample snuggling, slinging, and enjoying each other in those precious 3 days during our LBs. No one was repulsed by the placenta either. It is amazing how much it dries and shrinks in the first 12 hours. The placenta bag I had made for our first ds's LB swallowed his placenta by the next day so we simply diapered it along with the baby. My dh, who is not a blood and guts kind of guy in the least, was fascinated by the process and jumped right in to care for the placenta during its daily salting and wrapping.

The notion that babies don't miss their placentas or know when their cords are cut is debateable and in truth we can never know for sure one way or the other. I will say, although antecdotally I realize, having worked around birth for many years I have seen babies startle, cry, and become frantic when their cords were severed.

Now I am not arguing for or against LB as I feel it is a family's decision and would certainly never push it on anyone (heck, I've got all I can handle convinvcing folks not to circ and to bf) but in all fairness to the OP who was simply posting to see if there were others out there who have experienced LB, comparing those who enjoy talking about their experiences of LB and wished others would try it to religious evangelism is a bit out of line. It is ok not to understand, it is ok to ask questions, but in a thread where the OP was looking for support I think your post, MsBlack, was unjustified. It makes those of us who do things a little differently leary of ever speaking out about issues that matter to us...even if this is MDC.
post #10 of 72
Birthdancedoula and all--

InaX5 said: "I was so happy & pleased with the lotus birth & not sure why more Women don't do it. My MIL has suggested this to other Women looking for advice on having their babies (she is an Elder in our community) but no one else has followed this advice. Also the ladies who attend my birth have suggested this but even the bush baby Mom's didn't go for this, & they tend to be way open to stuff like this."

I'm sorry, I'm sure I was kinda heavy handed with my comments. But the above quote is what prompted me to say anything. And don't get me wrong....while I'm an avid supporter of BF, non circ non vax AP etc, I also think some get a little evangelistic about those things too--even me at times, tho less so in recent years--I've been working on that! So, don't take it too hard--and I really don't mean to disparage, or discourage discussion. I myself appreciate hearing devil's advocates in any discussion, because then I'm more certain that I'm really examining things from all (or many) angles before making decisions.

So, I only came back to say that, figuring I'd probably ruffled feathers w/my earlier comments. Yes, this is MDC and we expect it to be safe...it won't be anything but safe, as long as no one takes anything too personally or fears to hear other points of view.

More power to us all
post #11 of 72
I'm planning a Lotus Birth with my UC. After avoiding all the other unnecessary medical procedures by staying home and birthing by myself I just can't see myself feeling right about cutting the cord when it can just fall away naturally on it's own. My DP is intrigued by the idea as I just presented the idea to him very recently. I was relieved that he didn't immediately think the idea was crazy.
post #12 of 72
I doubt that there is anything transferred between the baby and placenta once the cord stops pulsing, but there is a practical reason to do lotus birth. If you have to give birth in unsanitary conditions or don't have anything sterile to cut the cord with, leaving it intact is far preferable.
post #13 of 72
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Originally Posted by APMomOfKimmyN-Maya View Post
I'm planning a Lotus Birth with my UC. After avoiding all the other unnecessary medical procedures by staying home and birthing by myself I just can't see myself feeling right about cutting the cord when it can just fall away naturally on it's own. My DP is intrigued by the idea as I just presented the idea to him very recently. I was relieved that he didn't immediately think the idea was crazy.
Feeling less & less alone.

I think you will enjoy the expeirence. When I first did it, I just felt like I had made the right decision & the placenta was very interesting. I had midwives (but very much respect UC Mom's, that was my back up plan if the midwives were full) & the midwives talked to me about the placenta & showed me how examining it can tell you a few things about the pregnancy. It was very interesting.
post #14 of 72
Thread Starter 
Ms. Black:

If my MIl or my friends or I were fanatics then we would be pushing it down peoples throats & probably would have seen a hesitant person or 2 try it despite hesitation, especially if my MIL was being pushy. In a community like ours if the traditional people tell you to do something you do it, no questions asked. If they suggest something you then get to consider it.
post #15 of 72
InaX5, I hope you don't mind me asking, your culture sounds so interesting to me. I was wondering where you live?
post #16 of 72
Thread Starter 
My husband is Mohawk, I live in his area although I am Lakota. I don't know if Lotus birth was common for his people traditionally, although it makes sense with the traditional birth philosophy or if it's just part of MIL's no interference outlook (which is part of the birth philosophy). I do know that there is a belief that the placenta carries part of a persons spirit, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was practiced. It is hard after so many years of assimilation because it was Woman's traditions that were attacked most because of our matriarch society which was a threat to the church back then.
post #17 of 72
the birth of my next babe(s) will be lotus. why not?

i appreciate how someone pointed out that cutting the cord isn't always an easy option in some situations. i am working internationally in the birth scene right now and recently heard of a practice to burn the cord when it is necessary to sever it and no other instrument is available. i saw pics of it and it's actually a bit of a beautiful scene. otherwise, no one is ever in a rush to cut the cord around here.

i will expect wisdom from birthdancedoula and maybe even to borrow one of those nifty placenta bags from her!
post #18 of 72
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awesome!!! my father, although he has no Native blood, respects and adores Native American tribes. When I had a Lotus birth, he said that he thinks he read it was a native practice. He thinks they used the cord as a base to attach a pouch to. Ever heard of that? Will u please ask your MIL if it was a tradition in her tribe? I am very interested to know.

Anyhow, I LOVE LOTUS BIRTH!!!!!!
I am happy to talk about it!
DD's cord did not seperate until she was 7 days old. When it fell loose she had a perfect belly button (not a stump). I will definatey do LB the next time. DD played w/ her cord until it detached. I cut the cord off to save it then buried her placenta.
Another interesting fact. My mom saw somewhere online that children's pull toys (like ducks or whatever) that have a thin cord that u pull them by, were inspired by the fact that babies play w/ their cord in the womd and also out of the womd if they have a LB. So, I'd someday like to get dd a toy w/ a pull cord. THe Amish make some cool ones.
post #19 of 72
i have been strongly considering a lotus birth. i'm glad to read this thread
post #20 of 72
yep, lotus births are awesome!!! people don't get it sometimes when u tell them, but once u explain it, they sometimes kinda get it. also, i always tell people that chimpanzes do it.
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