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post #1 of 14
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Courtesy of pdx.mothernurture in the CAC

HPV In Men's Fingernails, Could Factor In Vaccine Distribution Debate

HPV In Men's Fingernails

Laura Koutsky, a University of Washington epidemiologist, and colleagues have identified traces of the human papillomavirus under the fingernails of young men, a finding that could "throw a monkey wrench" in the debate over a distribution of HPV vaccines, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer reports. According to the Post-Intelligencer, HPV is primarily a sexually transmitted infection, and some opponents of mandating HPV vaccines for girls have said such regulations could send a message that "sex at a young age is acceptable behavior" (Paulson, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 7/31).

Earlier this year, 24 states and Washington, D.C., considered proposals to mandate HPV vaccination for middle-school age girls, but Virginia is the only state to have passed such a measure. Debate over the measures involved issues including teenage sex, parental control and state mandates, as well as concerns about long-term health effects of the vaccine and pharmaceutical company lobbying (Kaiser Daily Women's Health Policy Report, 5/21). According to Lauri Markowitz, a CDC expert on HPV, more than 40 states have enacted legislation encouraging wider use of HPV vaccines.

Koutsky, who led some clinical trials and research that led to the development of Merck's HPV vaccine Gardasil, said the presence of HPV in fingernails suggests that the virus might have another transmission route. She added the results could help explain why HPV infection has been found in infants and young girls who had not become sexually active. However, Koutsky said there is no evidence that HPV can be contracted through contact such as a handshake.

According to the Post-Intelligencer, Koutsky's findings could "give pause to those arguing" against an HPV vaccine from a "moral" perspective. "Basically, it's not just about sex," Koutsky said, adding, "You have to know how people [contract HPV] in order to prevent it." She also said that at some point it will become evident that boys and young men also should be vaccinated against the virus (Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 7/31).

http://www.emaxhealth.com/3/14593.html
post #2 of 14
Wow! Thanks for posting that. I have a friend with cancer caused by HPV and she's never really been sure how she caught it. Currently she's on morphine and vaginal suppositories which are burning all the skin off the inside of her vagina. As she is a redhead with "fragile" skin -- it may not regrow, and she may need skin transplants instead.
post #3 of 14
Sigh. I knew it wouldn't be long before they started this crap. I called it a few months ago, when I was arguing with someone about non-sexual transmission of HPV. I said at the time that if it was happening, we would hear it SCREAMED from the rooftops, because they would sell a heck of a lot more vaccine if people thought HPV was not an STD. Just keep in mind exactly who it is that made this shocking <roll eyes> discovery. Always keep that in mind. If this person had any real concern about non-sexual transmission of the virus, she would've discovered it before she helped develop a vaccine.
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post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by bczmama View Post
Wow! Thanks for posting that. I have a friend with cancer caused by HPV and she's never really been sure how she caught it. Currently she's on morphine and vaginal suppositories which are burning all the skin off the inside of her vagina. As she is a redhead with "fragile" skin -- it may not regrow, and she may need skin transplants instead.
Was she a virgin when she caught it? Did she have literally zero genital sex play before she caught it? If she had a partner who had HPV, who touched themselves, then touched her, she would've caught it. Most women with cervical cancer don't know who gave them HPV. It doesn't mean they caught it from flushing the toilet after someone else or from holding hands with a boy. I know you weren't suggesting either of those things, I'm just saying that this study doesn't prove anything for your friend! It certainly doesn't prove that she caught it through some completely non-sexual contact.
post #6 of 14
My reason for not signing myself and DD (Oh wait, I'm over 30 so I'm not at risk and DD is too young) up for it is not because of the "moral" issue, it never has been.Its becuase it is still an expiremental injection that parents are being coerced into authorizing and it only works against some of the strains leaving others to get stronger while we are under the illusion of no worries.
post #7 of 14
Oh boy! Exciting news!

Let's line up our sons for this very important vax!

*CCC barfs a little* :Puke
post #8 of 14
Maybe I overlooked it, but I read the article twice and no where that I saw did it say that the HPV found in the fingernails was one of the strains that the vaccination was supose to be for. My son has HPV all over his hands in the form of warts, does this mean everyone who has contact with anyone with warts should run right out to protect themselves...... NO because that strain is not on that the vac covers.:
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Maybe I overlooked it, but I read the article twice and no where that I saw did it say that the HPV found in the fingernails was one of the strains that the vaccination was supose to be for. My son has HPV all over his hands in the form of warts, does this mean everyone who has contact with anyone with warts should run right out to protect themselves...... NO because that strain is not on that the vac covers.:
Exactly! I also don't see how you could get cervical cancer from hpv on your hand, anyway. I think the reason it can cause cancer is "all about location" ... you could even EAT hpv and it probably wouldn't cause cancer.

Our reproductive organs -- especially when we're very young -- are more susceptible to cancer than our fingernails. Otherwise we'd be hearing all about an epidemic of fingernail cancer in young men!
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Originally Posted by mammal_mama View Post
Exactly! I also don't see how you could get cervical cancer from hpv on your hand, anyway. I think the reason it can cause cancer is "all about location"
The same way you could get herpes on your labia from herpes on your hand. If you have enough HPV virons on your hands, you could get an HPV infection when you touch your genitals. The key word is "enough". One or two random HPV virons on your hands isn't going to give you a cervical-cancer causing HPV infection. It's always been possible that sexual contact that did not involve intercourse could transmit HPV. That's nothing new. What's in question is whether or not HPV is hardy enough and infectious enough to cause a genital infection when the only mode of transmission is casual contact.


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... you could even EAT hpv and it probably wouldn't cause cancer.
Actually, some of the same types of HPV that cause cervical cancer can cause esophageal cancer.
post #11 of 14
"Was she a virgin when she caught it? Did she have literally zero genital sex play before she caught it? If she had a partner who had HPV, who touched themselves, then touched her, she would've caught it. Most women with cervical cancer don't know who gave them HPV. It doesn't mean they caught it from flushing the toilet after someone else or from holding hands with a boy. I know you weren't suggesting either of those things, I'm just saying that this study doesn't prove anything for your friend! It certainly doesn't prove that she caught it through some completely non-sexual contact."

I thought the study noted that there were unexplained infections in babies and young children? Would it be possible for a child to catch it from say, a diaper change?

From what she said all 3 of the men she's been "intimate" with were tested after her diagnosis and didn't have it.

It really seems like the OB/GYN should be more specific when asking whether it is necessary to run STD tests -- that you may need them even if you haven't had full intercourse. That's never been clear from any of my visits.
post #12 of 14
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I think it is ridiculous as well! When I saw that I was thinking to myself "Oh now they have found a way to say we need to vax our sons as well." :
post #13 of 14
That was a news report and not a study. This isn't a new finding and they don't stipulate the strain(s) that have been found. The one that has, HPV-26 has thus far only been identified in immunosuppressed men and the association with squamous cell carcinomas is somewhat contentious:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

There would have to be a lot more work done to demonstrate the significance of this strain to the general population as well as if other strains can be found and proliferate under the nails.

SM
post #14 of 14
This HPV crap is all over the place... what are we humas to do???

How can we ever survive?
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