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post #161 of 177
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Originally Posted by Yooper View Post
And for those who say their kids had never done x, y, or z? I grew up in a pretty relaxed home. My parents trusted me a great deal and were always frank and open. Because of this, I also knew that their opinions on issues were typically far more conservative than mine were. It did not "rub off" on any level. And, even though I knew I would not get "punished", I still did not tell my parents about sex, drinking, and drug use. I knew it would kill them and I did not want to do that to them. I knew I was going to be fine. And I was. And did not feel like I should bug my parents with it. To this day, my mom has no idea I have ever done some of the things I experimented with in HS.
i had to agree with this. my mom was one of those, ' try it safely at home, if at all' kinds of parents. did i want to drink and smoke with my mom? hell no! but i also felt safer knowing that she wouldn't completely freak out about what i was doing. i appreciated that she wasn't a control freak, like other parents. but there were other key things too and i will translate this into what you asked for- approach and advice:

1- i was always expected to do well... my parents thought highly of me, expected me to go to college, etc... i think this is major. Let your son know that he has the capacity *and* you expect him to achieve his goals. i'm not saying you expect him to be a doctor, lawyer, etc... but i think when kids see that we believe in them, they see beyond next week, kwim?

2- my mom (single mom, but my dad did this too from afar) supported all of my extra curricular activities. i was the motivator behind all of them, but she found a way to make it happen- music lessons, sports, doing an amazing semester away my junior year of high school, taking a year off after college to travel. talk about giving your kid confidence! it was awesome, i never felt held back. was i smoking pot this whole time? yup. was it out of control? no. and i knew when i had done a bit too much one week, and cut back. my life did not revolve around my occasional use, it was full of other things.

so, point is, all of those things you and your dh are doing to support him in finding other activities and reaching out- awesome. very cool, and very important.

3. my parents didn't do this, but instead of *you* telling your son all the potential issues with drugs- have him research it. you homeschool, right? make it a project. compare drugs, effects, consequences, history, etc... information sinks in more deeply when it's obtained through one's own efforts. certain things will stick with him. i'm not saying don't share your opinion; you say, 'no son, i think smoking is wrong and i don't want you to do it." he says, 'why?' and you say,'let's find out. what do you want to know? lets' do some research..." the books pp's have suggested to you are great.

4. finally, you mentioned something about an initiation or something your dh was going to do, the boy-manhood thing. i cannot say enough about this. super important. i am going to pm you wtih the information about a wilderness school i was involved with in Shasta, Ca with a man who does life-changing boys rights of passage. unbelievable.

i used to work with all the "screwed up" kids, the ones who got kicked out of school, started using in 4th grade etc... and i can say, not one of them came from a home like yours (meaning, theirs was severely dysfunctional and yours is not even close).
post #162 of 177
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Originally Posted by dharmamama View Post
Ok, I have read far enough to see that you are feeling bashed and you feel that people are not giving you alternatives about what they would do rather than just telling you that they think what you are doing is not ok.
To avoid the nasty tone of this thread, early on I provided a private message to the original poster of how I kept two at-risk teens from stumbling into drug, alcohol and tobacco pitfalls - with specifics. Others have provided specific advice as well. Sometimes posters asking for advice are not open to dissent, but only seek support for their chosen course of action.
post #163 of 177
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Thank you, Naturalyst. Your PMs were taken into consideration and your effort with them really appreciated.
post #164 of 177
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Originally Posted by Stinkerbell View Post
I think it's totally fab that you are honest and open and encouraging to your kids to be honest with you. I agree that sneaking and secrets are not healthy.

But I also think that sometimes kids test boundaries, for various reasons. And they need to know that you are going to help them establish boundaries for their own safety and well being. Putting your foot down about not allowing drug use would be, I think, basic boundary setting.
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post #165 of 177
*random hugs to Embers*
post #166 of 177
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Originally Posted by Naturalyst View Post
To avoid the nasty tone of this thread, early on I provided a private message to the original poster of how I kept two at-risk teens from stumbling into drug, alcohol and tobacco pitfalls - with specifics. Others have provided specific advice as well. Sometimes posters asking for advice are not open to dissent, but only seek support for their chosen course of action.
would you be willing to summarize the tips you gave embers here also? i think there are many of us who are also looking for tips and strategies to consider along with our own approaches.
post #167 of 177
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Originally Posted by newmainer View Post
3. my parents didn't do this, but instead of *you* telling your son all the potential issues with drugs- have him research it. you homeschool, right? make it a project. compare drugs, effects, consequences, history, etc... information sinks in more deeply when it's obtained through one's own efforts. certain things will stick with him. i'm not saying don't share your opinion; you say, 'no son, i think smoking is wrong and i don't want you to do it." he says, 'why?' and you say,'let's find out. what do you want to know? lets' do some research..." the books pp's have suggested to you are great.
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post #168 of 177
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instead of *you* telling your son all the potential issues with drugs- have him research it. you homeschool, right? make it a project. compare drugs, effects, consequences, history, etc... information sinks in more deeply when it's obtained through one's own efforts. certain things will stick with him. i'm not saying don't share your opinion; you say, 'no son, i think smoking is wrong and i don't want you to do it." he says, 'why?' and you say,'let's find out. what do you want to know? lets' do some research..." the books pp's have suggested to you are great.
That. Is a great idea and I plan on doing that for all of the teen "issues." Thank you for a really good idea!
post #169 of 177
I hope to teach my children that their bodies are sacred. The caecenogengs in smoke are something I really worry about.
post #170 of 177
What are caecenogengs?
post #171 of 177
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Originally Posted by kate3 View Post
A 13yo does not have adult reasoning or life skills to make these types of INFORMED decisions. That's where parenting comes in. Condoning drug use in a child is way beyond civil disobedience.
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post #172 of 177
I don't know what is best. I only know that drugs and smoking of any kind will not be tolerated at all within my family.

Smoking kills. There is no way around that. It kills and it kills slowly and painfully. Smoking also causes you to look older than your years. It limits who you can date, because most non smokers do not want to be with smokers.

In my 43 years on this earth... with my own personal experience... "Once a pothead, always a pothead" With one exception... he joined the navy in 1981, and became more interested in fitness and training than smoking and doing drugs.

I know of two potheads from high school who are still living at their parents home. We graduated high school in the early 80s, and they have never been able to move out.

I live on a block filled with ex potheads from their teen years... one is in rehab right now. His wife has a "boyfriend" living in their home and driving his truck while he is in rehab. The others still smoke pot and do the occasional drugs. But they are otherwise productive members of society.

I experimented with pot in high school. But, only a few times. I never bought it, it was just passed to me, so I took hits as it went by. SO, you CAN experiment without it becoming a part of your life. But, I still wouldn't allow my daughter to use it with my blessing.

I am NOT saying that your kids will turn into potheads. It is entirely possible that allowing it will take away the desire to smoke pot. Once I was of drinking age, drinking wasn't as much fun anymore. The fun was in getting the beer or wine or boones farm.
post #173 of 177
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Originally Posted by the_lissa View Post
What are caecenogengs?
I think it was a typo. Carcinogen


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinogen
post #174 of 177
I researched all the drugs I wanted to do when I was 15. I found several more that piqued my interest. And then I proceeded to pound LSD for 18 months. At 15, I was in no way capable of seeing what the long-term consequences would be, and I was a very smart, common-sensical girl.

If a kid wants to get high, there's not much you can do to stop them. But I wouldn't leave it up to the interwebs to educate my kid on the dangers of drug use. Their brains aren't even finished growing, for the love of Pete! How can they make a rational choice when they don't have the neural pathways to do so?
post #175 of 177
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Originally Posted by the_lissa View Post
What are caecenogengs?
wow. i don't know if you meant it this way or not, but that came across as really snippy.
post #176 of 177
I'm sorry, but how in the world is asking a question snippy?

It's not like it was a simple spelling error or typo and I could still identify the word. I had no idea what that word was. It didn't look like carcinogen, so I had no idea.

I think it is funny that asking what something is is snippy.
post #177 of 177
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Originally Posted by FancyD View Post
If a kid wants to get high, there's not much you can do to stop them. But I wouldn't leave it up to the interwebs to educate my kid on the dangers of drug use. Their brains aren't even finished growing, for the love of Pete! How can they make a rational choice when they don't have the neural pathways to do so?
Yep. If you're going to make it a homeschooling project, make sure your child is getting information from all "sides." I know that when I research pot on the internet, most sites that come up are those that are very biased in favor of its use.
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