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post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
My baby, now 10 weeks old, took to the breast immediately. No latch problems, no sore nipples--just a champ from the start.

But she falls asleep as soon as shes had "just enough" milk. It seems like once she's just a little satisfied, she'll fall asleep. I can somewhat wake her up, but when I put her back on the breast, she pacifies instead of eating. course, 20 minutes later, she's starving and she'll EAT...enough to get slightly satisfied, fall asleep...and the vicious circle continues. Her peditritian calls her a "snacker" (and a cat napper...eats until slightly satisfied, sleeps for 20 minutes, BF 20 minutes, sleeps 20 minutes). I'm convinced she knows how to pacify when she wants...and EAT when she wants. But, maybe it's my milk supply. I don't know. I try and try to pump, but I can hardly get that thing to work...and it hurts!

She was gaining weight great. But, last week at ped's office, she had dropped on their chart. she hadn't lost weight...she just hadn't gained what they find acceptable. at birth she was 7.5 last week she was 9.11--a week earlier she was 9.10. So, only one once in a week. Sigh. They recommended supplementing with formula after each BF session. I hate giving her bottles--specially of formula...but she needs nutriion. After supplementing with formula for one week, she had gained 9 ounces.

I don't want to supplement with formula...but she needs nutrition. I started Lactation Ease (Fennel, Fenugreek, and something else) along with Mother's Milk Tea. I'm afraid that she's getting too used to the bottle. She can get satisfied with bottle in 2 minutes flat, versus 30 minutes at my breast. She's too smart....she "plays" on my breast---and gulps the bottle. As if, she knows she doesn't have to work hard...that I'll just pop a bottle.

I've read that a baby is satisfied at the breast when they fall asleep or let go of nipple--which she does. But, her weight gain says she's not getting what she needs. (But, I tend not to trust doctors so much--and they're the ones telling me to supplement so much). Her pediatritian tells me that the longer I go without BF, the better my supply will get. A book that I have says that more frequent BF sessions will inincrease milk. Who am I to believe? I want to do
the best thing that will increase my milk supply so my baby eats better.

I do everything I can think of to wake her up and make her more intersted while shes BF. Tickle, rub jaw, rattle something to wake her up, take her off the breast and burp her, etc etc. But, once she's "a little satisfied"...she just doesn't want to work anymore. Sigh. Any helpful suggestions?
post #2 of 8
Hi MayBaby2007,
You are a smart Mamma, and your ped has it wrong about how breastfeeding works. It is a supply and demand thing - the more your baby nurses the more milk you will make. If you wait longer between feeds, your body will think that your baby doesn't need as much, and will produce less milk. So nurse nurse nurse!

But you are right, her weight gain has dropped off. I wonder if the scale was correct? How have her wet diapers been this past week?

Sometimes doing breast compressions with the baby latched on helps to stimulate a sleepy little one. The 'squirt' of sweet milk into their mouths seems to wake them up a little, or at least to encourage them to eat. I'm sure some wise mammas will jump in with other techniques too.

Are you sure that her latch is good? Sometimes when women have a great milk supply at first, the baby doesn't have to latch well to get enough milk. But then since the breast isn't being drained, the milk supply decreases, and what used to be a great supply becomes a low supply.
Kellymom has some great info on supply: http://kellymom.com/babyconcerns/gro..._increase.html

It would be great if you could find a lactation consultant to help you to figure out why she isn't getting enough milk, and if you do have to suppliment, to help you to suppliment at the breast in order to get maximum stimulation (which will help your milk supply) and to cut out the bottle gulping, which helps nobody.

Keep nursing - you're doing a wonderful job! Hopefully you'll get this sorted out soon .
post #3 of 8
This is us right now. And I'm exhausted. I decided it was harder to pump than to feed on demand, and boy was I wrong. I had a complete meltdown last night at 3:30am and realized I had just wished my baby's first month away because breastfeeding was so freaking hard that I constantly dreaded the routine. Still do. But feeding her like you describe is impossible and so now we're back to feed at breast for a limited time, then pump, then bottle, then start all over again. Weary is the word. So sorry mama, but please keep it up. I need to know that I'm not the only one in this hell and that someone else can do it too (sorry--i know it's not about me!). I hope it helps you to know that I am in the exact same spot and really struggling. I'm waiting for the day it gets easier.
post #4 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies. I have GREAT news....specially for sanguine_speed if your baby is having the same problem as mine is.

Went to a LLL meeting last night and spoke to a certified lactation specialist. She watched me breastfeed.

First, Lily "clicks" when she takes breast AND bottle. I assumed that was normal, considering she "clicked" with bottle and breast. Wrong. She's not latched right and loses suction with each suck.

Secondly, she's only getting my Let Down. Once she's had the let down, she doesn't know how to draw more milk. Once she gets the let down, she "pacifies" (or so I thought)...she's sucking but doesn't know how to get the milk.

She "quivers" her mouth frequently. I asked a member of the LLL w/in the first weeks about that. She told me it was a "reflux". Last night, the Lactation Consultant saw Lily quivering--after a minute of sucking--and said, the quivering is a sign of the baby workin too hard. She's burning too manhy calories sucking poorly...and not getting milk. NO wonder the poor thing hadn't gained weight!

Her first 2 suggestions of possible problems was: Maybe her tongue doesn't move correctly (there's a name for this, sorry I forgot) or she has a chiropractic problem, like perhaps her jaw is misaligned or something--something causing her not to suck properly. She told me to do a Google search for "Kassing CST" and go through the list of possible problems--like if your baby tends to only look to the left verses the right and other signs that the baby may have a chiropractic problem. I haven't looked through yet. Wanted to post here first.

She asked me, "After your baby falls asleep at the breast, does she wake up hungry again?" YES YES YES....that's the circle--the 20 minute thing I described in 1st post. Here's the answer to that:

The "20 minute thing" I described is a sign of withdrawl according to the Lactation Consultant. She said that Lily wasn't getting milk, so she fell asleep to show me that it wasn't working. By her falling asleep, wanting to eat, falling asleep......she was trying to tell me that her belly hurt and she was hungry. I didn't know any better and let the cycle continue. In essence, I was starving her. Man, I feel horrible. I just didn't know. She had wet diapers. She had bowel movements. She's always been alert, active, etc. But, she was HUNGRY.

I also told her I could pump. She said I need a different size "Flange"....that they come in a variety of sizes and that you have to find the right size for YOU to work it properly. She sells the different sizes and I'm going to try to get up there today or tomorrow so I will hopefully have more success with pumping.

What makes me angry is that I told her pediatritian from DAY ONE about the "sleep, eat, sleep eat" thing and she told me that Lily was a "snacker". She heard/saw Lily BF and heard the "clicks" but never advised me that it was not correct. They knew I couldn't pump and said, "sometimes they don't work for every woman" This problem could have been addressed much sooner if her Ped would have been educated in BF--instead, they tell me, "Give her formula!" That really makes me angry. The ladies at the LLL meeting said that Ped's just aren't educated in BF--but if they have clients who BF, they should be! Or, they should at least recognize signs of bad latching, etc and refer clients to lactation consultants! Arrgh.

Anyway. I feel more hopeful now. I'll be working with this Consultant and she's going to help me pump and help teach Lily how to breastfeed better. Hopefully, this info will help any woman who may be having the same problem.
post #5 of 8
We had major feeding issues in the 1st. 2 mos with DD because she would rather sleep then eat. ALL DAY.
It was a living nightmare to wake her, keep her awake then TRY to get sustenance into the lo.
I too caved and gave her formula b/c I didn't want her to LOSE weight. She had already lost enough when she was at the hospital.
But she did eventually "come to" and started to nurse more on her own and has nurse great since. She is 16 mos. and still nursing.

Try a damp cloth on the forehead. Heck with my DD I practically had to douse her with a hose!:
Another thing is to remove her onesie and offer some skin to skin contact. This encourages nursing as well.

You are doing a great job, mama.


HTH, Mary
post #6 of 8
You could also try block nursing to get her weight up. Stick with the same side for several hours instead of switching each nursing session. It gets more of the fatty hind milk into the baby.
post #7 of 8
It is so great to hear that you and Lily and your LC are all working together on the latch. Sometimes latches can be tricky, but with practice you'll work it out and breastfeeding will be so much more enjoyable when Lily can get the milk she needs and then rest, rather than needing to feed every 20 minutes. She's a lucky baby to have such a dedicated mother.
If you tell your pediatrician on your next visit what the problem was, and how your LC helped you out, perhaps the next time a breastfed baby isn't gaining weight your ped will refer the mother to a LC. ( I live in hope...)
post #8 of 8
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Originally Posted by sanguine_speed View Post
This is us right now. And I'm exhausted. I decided it was harder to pump than to feed on demand, and boy was I wrong. I had a complete meltdown last night at 3:30am and realized I had just wished my baby's first month away because breastfeeding was so freaking hard that I constantly dreaded the routine. Still do. But feeding her like you describe is impossible and so now we're back to feed at breast for a limited time, then pump, then bottle, then start all over again. Weary is the word. So sorry mama, but please keep it up. I need to know that I'm not the only one in this hell and that someone else can do it too (sorry--i know it's not about me!). I hope it helps you to know that I am in the exact same spot and really struggling. I'm waiting for the day it gets easier.
sanguine_speed, I couldn't post to BabyMay2007 without sending you a . I haven't read many other posts (I don't know if there is a thread about this), but I hope that you are getting the support you need to keep going with this (be it LC, LLL, MD or other). I hope that yesterday was better, and today a little bit better still. Hang in there, you can do it.
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