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post #41 of 70
1. Did anyone come ask if you wanted to circ after you'd said "NO" in the birth plan or other paperwork? Did anyone try to coerce you to change your mind? No
2. Did the doctor/nurse who brought the consent form explain the procedure?
No one brought me a consent form after I said we didn't want our sons circ'ed
3. Did he or she explain risks vs. benefits (and if so, was it accurate)? No -- though when my dh asked, "Is there any reason to?" and "Does it hurt?" the answers were No, and Yes
4. Is circ covered by your insurance? I have no idea
5. What state do you live in, and in what year was your experience
Two sons born in Ok, one in TX -- 96, 99, 05
post #42 of 70
1. Did anyone come ask if you wanted to circ after you'd said "NO" in the birth plan or other paperwork? Did anyone try to coerce you to change your mind?

The nurses never brought it up but the ped did ask when giving me an update on DS condition right before discharging DS. I shut down the conversation quickly with an emphatic "no" when he said, "Are you planning on circumcising?" and I think he could tell there was no point to continue.

2. Did the doctor/nurse who brought the consent form explain the procedure?
Never got to the point of a consent form.

3. Did he or she explain risks vs. benefits (and if so, was it accurate)?
Discussion didn't get that far. The nurse doing my intake paperwork who asked about it was anti-circ herself and gave me kudos me for not doing it and said she wished she were able to tell everyone coming in to not do it but there was some sort of rule against anti-circ advocacy. The ped who asked about it shut up quickly after I told him no, thankfully.

4. Is circ covered by your insurance?
Yes

5. What state do you live in, and in what year was your experience?
DS was born in California in 2005.
post #43 of 70
I just want to find out, from those of you who have given birth to boys in a hospital...

1. Did anyone come ask if you wanted to circ after you'd said "NO" in the birth plan or other paperwork? Did anyone try to coerce you to change your mind? Nope
2. Did the doctor/nurse who brought the consent form explain the procedure?n/a
3. Did he or she explain risks vs. benefits (and if so, was it accurate)?n/a
4. Is circ covered by your insurance? do not know was on Medi-cal
5. What state do you live in, and in what year was your experience?In 2004 my son was born in so.california right next to the nbc station.
post #44 of 70
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Originally Posted by paquerette View Post
Is this true?! I was under the impression that BC/BS did not cover it anymore. :
We have Anthem Blue Cross and they are the ones that told us EMPHATICALLY that it was NOT covered because it was Cosmetic Surgery.
post #45 of 70
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Originally Posted by mommy2caroline View Post
I just want to find out, from those of you who have given birth to boys in a hospital...
1. Did anyone come ask if you wanted to circ after you'd said "NO" in the birth plan or other paperwork? Did anyone try to coerce you to change your mind?

We did not have anything about circ or no-circ in the birth plan. I doubt anyone would have looked at it even if we did . We were on the fence about circing until after the boys were born, and we just couldn't bring ourselves to do it but :

2. Did the doctor/nurse who brought the consent form explain the procedure?

No one forced the issue, but we were asked just about every day if we wanted it done. Just about everybody in my geographic area has it done, the nurses said, except for Hispanics.

3. Did he or she explain risks vs. benefits (and if so, was it accurate)?

We talked it over with the ped on call, he said something about mumble mumble prevents UTIs mumble mumble. But everyone does it. So we decided not do it .

4. Is circ covered by your insurance?

Don't know, but I would imagine yes.
5. What state do you live in, and in what year was your experience?

Midwestern / great plains / red state / high circ state 2005.
post #46 of 70

Uti

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Originally Posted by 2boyzmama View Post

. Did he or she explain risks vs. benefits (and if so, was it accurate)? Nope.

No discussion or risks or benefits at all. At least not until my second son had his first UTI at 9 weeks...since then every time he's had a fever they always want to check a urine since he's not circed. I finally stopped letting them check the urine (well, I won't let them cath him, I will let them put a baggy on) I had a discussion with the dr last time about how I"m tired of being harassed for not circing him, he said "we're not harassing you, but it's just fact that by not circing his chances of UTI are higher. We'd be remiss if we didn't check."

Bet they don't tell you that baby girls are much more susceptible to UTIs than either category of baby boys, but no one starts with the female circumcision stuff.

What a sad commentary with such ignorant folks. Hope you all are able to turn the tables with the above remark to help others think..

Take care now...
post #47 of 70
I have read that BCBS covers the procedure...and when presented with anti-circ information requesting otherwise....they politely declined citing that while they appreciated the writer's efforts in the movement BCBS would not like to be visible in the process...blah blah blah....Each group can vary I guess...

This was from 1995 though...."Julie Weaver in a letter January 16, 1995: “I admire your dedication to the issue you address....there will be no change in our policy or benefit provisions...[based] on much the same criteria noted in the letter from Dr. Fitzpatrick [namely to pay for some elective surgeries requested by consenting patients, like tubal ligations and vasectomies]. While we support efforts to educate the general public on circumcision so that thoughtful and informed decisions may be made regarding this elective procedure, we are not seeking a visible role in that process at this time...[so we] request that any reference to Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Dakota be deleted.” [Infant circumcision is forced upon nonconsenting patients, and so does not fit the analogies BlueCrossBlueShield gives to justify paying for it.]

http://www.boystoo.com/quotes.htm

Hope that helps...
post #48 of 70
1. Did anyone come ask if you wanted to circ after you'd said "NO" in the birth plan or other paperwork? Did anyone try to coerce you to change your mind?
No, the nurses all said how wonderful it was I was leaving him intact
2. Did the doctor/nurse who brought the consent form explain the procedure?
see above
3. Did he or she explain risks vs. benefits (and if so, was it accurate)? see above
4. Is circ covered by your insurance?
I have no idea but probably
5. What state do you live in, and in what year was your experience?
I live in NY but gave birth in VT, DS was born in 2001
post #49 of 70
1. Did anyone come ask if you wanted to circ after you'd said "NO" in the birth plan or other paperwork? Did anyone try to coerce you to change your mind?

Yes the OBYGN did at the birth of our first son. High pressure tactics. Really tried hard to convince. And we had several times said we were not going to RIc at checkups prior to giving birth.

2. Did the doctor/nurse who brought the consent form explain the procedure?

We refused so no consent form was provided.

3. Did he or she explain risks vs. benefits (and if so, was it accurate)?

Yes they did and no it was not accurate. The all trivialized the foreskin and gave no information on its function or benefits.

4. Is circ covered by your insurance? I do not know.

5. What state do you live in, and in what year was your experience?

Pennsylvania, 1990.
post #50 of 70
1. Did anyone come ask if you wanted to circ after you'd said "NO" in the birth plan or other paperwork? Had no to circ written in my birth plan, but was still asked once after I gave birth.Did anyone try to coerce you to change your mind?
No, and I'm glad, that would have ticked me off!

2. Did the doctor/nurse who brought the consent form explain the procedure?
The midwife handed me a birth plan worksheet to fill out during one of my ob visits, and it asked whether we wanted to circ (circle yes or no). Of course I circled no, and no one ever handed me a consent form to sign. No one in the hospital explained circ to us either, but I never asked. (I saw a video of the procedure, seeing that and knowing it was unnecessary was all I really felt I needed to know at that point.)

3. Did he or she explain risks vs. benefits (and if so, was it accurate)?
No, like I said, no one at the hospital talked to us about circ.

4. Is circ covered by your insurance?
Not sure, I'm thinking probably yes.

5. What state do you live in, and in what year was your experience?
We lived in upstate NY at the time, it was 2003.
post #51 of 70
Please keep these comments coming. This survey could be a great resource for a thesis or article on informed consent practices!! Especially details about what they did or didn't explain about risks/benefits etc. and the foreskin itself.

BTW, my experience is of historical interest only. My boys were born in 1984 and 1986, both in Germany, when my husband was stationed there with the Air Force, one in a German natural birth center and one at home. No one ever asked if we wanted him circed, of course; it would never have crossed their mind! (We had no intentions of doing it in any case.) At the time, the military was saving money by not providing circumcision in the military hospitals (don't think this is still the case), so military people who wanted their sons circumcised in Germany would have to seek out and pay for a German urological specialist to do it, because no other German doctors knew how to do them. I wonder how many American boys born at that time in Germany grew up intact because of this twist of fate.

Gillian
post #52 of 70
1. Did anyone come ask if you wanted to circ after you'd said "NO" in the birth plan or other paperwork? Did anyone try to coerce you to change your mind?

YES and YES! IT was sooooo annoying.

2. Did the doctor/nurse who brought the consent form explain the procedure?
This was not brought to us.

3. Did he or she explain risks vs. benefits (and if so, was it accurate)?
No one EVER explained a reason not to circ. However, they had plenty of reasons to share on why we should.

4. Is circ covered by your insurance?
I'm not sure. I did not look into it.

5. What state do you live in, and in what year was your experience?
Georgia, 2007

Additionally...
The only time that the subject was ever brought up to me was when I asked or indicated that our son would not be circumcised. At all of those time, I got the standard responses from disease to locker room. The OB asked me twice if I wanted him circ'd and a nurse informed me that he wouldn't be able to have it done at the hospital b/c I didn't get the vitamin K shot for him. All the while in my birth plan, in BOLD letters was "Under no circumstance is our son to be circumcised"
post #53 of 70
1. Did anyone come ask if you wanted to circ after you'd said "NO" in the birth plan or other paperwork? Did anyone try to coerce you to change your mind?

No. I don't even remember putting it in the birth plan, just checked a box somewhere and that was the end of it. I didn't hear about it one way or another from anyone.

2. Did the doctor/nurse who brought the consent form explain the procedure?

nope. And we didn't discuss it much during prenatals either. My DH and I were really left to our own devices. Good thing they are good devices!

3. Did he or she explain risks vs. benefits (and if so, was it accurate)?

N/A. No one said a word about it, ever, literally.

4. Is circ covered by your insurance?

I think it was. Don't remember.

5. What state do you live in, and in what year was your experience?

DS was born in Oregon in 2004. We had Kaiser. Other than not hearing anything about circ, it was a horribly wretched experience, but that's another thread.
post #54 of 70
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Originally Posted by ared1 View Post
1. Did anyone come ask if you wanted to circ after you'd said "NO" in the birth plan or other paperwork? Actually, they came in and said we are here to take the baby for his circ. I said really? Do you have a signed consent form? She said no (after shuffling through papers) and I said No you don't now get the Fark out of my room and don't touch my baby!
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post #55 of 70
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by glongley View Post
Please keep these comments coming. This survey could be a great resource for a thesis or article on informed consent practices!! Especially details about what they did or didn't explain about risks/benefits etc. and the foreskin itself.
Yes, I think we can get some especially insightful answers from people who did circ - and perhaps, had they been given more info, they would have reconsidered. I know many people probably have had to face the argument, "Oh, doctors wouldn't do it if it weren't beneficial! Not in America!!!" When you find out the truth about it, it is shocking that this could still be happening so routinely and with so little thought in a civilized country.
post #56 of 70
1. Did anyone come ask if you wanted to circ after you'd said "NO" in the birth plan or other paperwork? Did anyone try to coerce you to change your mind?
We didn't have a written birth plan but once we said we weren't circing no one tried to change our minds. Our ped actually said he was glad we didn't try to "Americanize him."
2. Did the doctor/nurse who brought the consent form explain the procedure?
n/a since we had no intentions of circing
3. Did he or she explain risks vs. benefits (and if so, was it accurate)?
n/a
4. Is circ covered by your insurance?
Don't know. Probably but we never bothered to check because it was never an option.
5. What state do you live in, and in what year was your experience?
NH DS was born in '05.
post #57 of 70

1. Did anyone come ask if you wanted to circ after you'd said "NO" in the birth plan or other paperwork?


We got to the hospital 10 minutes before DS was born, so there was no paperwork or discussion of the birth plan! Someone asked afterward, we said no, and for the moment, that was that.

Did anyone try to coerce you to change your mind?

Yes, my own %#$ mother (over the phone). She told me to ask the ped what he thought. So I did, he asked me what I wanted to do, I said we weren't circumcising, and he said that's great! So that's what I told my mom when I talked to her again.

Also, I vaguely recall a couple of nurses trying to convince me that over 50% of the boys at that hospital were circ'd, which I just did not believe, given where we live, the hospital we were in, and the number of births there every year. But that was more of a discussion.

2. Did the doctor/nurse who brought the consent form explain the procedure?

N/A, since we said no, no way, no how.

3. Did he or she explain risks vs. benefits (and if so, was it accurate)?


See #2, above.

4. Is circ covered by your insurance?


Yes, unfortunately. I wish it weren't, but given the number of employees at my husband's company, there is certainly a sizable minority who circumcise for religious reasons, so dropping the coverage would probably NOT be popular.

5. What state do you live in, and in what year was your experience?

Washington state (the western part, not the scary conservative eastern part), and DS was born in 2006.
post #58 of 70
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Originally Posted by mommy2caroline View Post
Yes, I think we can get some especially insightful answers from people who did circ - and perhaps, had they been given more info, they would have reconsidered. I know many people probably have had to face the argument, "Oh, doctors wouldn't do it if it weren't beneficial! Not in America!!!" When you find out the truth about it, it is shocking that this could still be happening so routinely and with so little thought in a civilized country.
So far, it looks like I'm the only one on this thread who DID circumscise my son, but YES, I would have changed my mind about it if I had half a chance to learn the details and repercussions. I was under the impression that THAT'S JUST WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO when you have a baby boy, just like cutting the cord or expelling the afterbirth- get the circumscision done, too. Like changing diapers and 2 am feedings- just something else everyone has to deal with when they have a new baby in the house. :
post #59 of 70
1. Did anyone come ask if you wanted to circ after you'd said "NO" in the birth plan or other paperwork? Did anyone try to coerce you to change your mind?

DEAR GOD I had to say it about 10 times! I swear they just wanted to make sure I was "sure."

2. Did the doctor/nurse who brought the consent form explain the procedure?

No circ, thus no consent form.

3. Did he or she explain risks vs. benefits (and if so, was it accurate)?

Again, didn't give them the chance.

4. Is circ covered by your insurance?

Yup. (But I can't give birth at home or see a chiropractor.)

5. What state do you live in, and in what year was your experience?

This was 2005 in OH.
post #60 of 70
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Originally Posted by fruitful womb View Post
Mom with a circumcised ds on this thread!
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Originally Posted by harleyhalfmoon View Post
So far, it looks like I'm the only one on this thread who DID circumscise my son, but YES, I would have changed my mind about it if I had half a chance to learn the details and repercussions. I was under the impression that THAT'S JUST WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO when you have a baby boy, just like cutting the cord or expelling the afterbirth- get the circumscision done, too. Like changing diapers and 2 am feedings- just something else everyone has to deal with when they have a new baby in the house. :
harleyhalfmoon, your not the only one who had their ds circumcised. It happened to my ds too. First one, no explanation from the doctor. Just the doc soliciting this non-therapeutic procedure so she can make some money. :

I went on to have my others at home because if they can commit this kind of atrocity, what else are they capable of? I DON'T TRUST them!!!
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