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post #1 of 29
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So we are apartment dwellers at the moment and I would love it if in the next 2 to 5 years we could buy a house so DS could have a yard. I am not sure what the goal should be though, for a down payment on a home minus loans, (because I assume that we will have to pay the seller in full and get loans to do that) just the cash that we would have to front.

$50,000? $10,000? $30,000?

Also what is an average mortgage payment (at the moment we pay $500 a month for rent)?

$500? $700? $1000?

Thanks so much for any replies.
post #2 of 29
Hi, I cant give you exact answers, most of your questions are determined by your location and real estate market.
The monthly payment again is based on your loan amount, interest rate, price of home, etc. Dont forget to include any taxes, HOA fees (home owners associations) etc.

I good rule of thumb is minimum 20% down, So if the house is 100k, you would need 20%.

Congratulations on your decision.
post #3 of 29
It really depends on where you live. Houses in your area might cost 100k, or they might cost 500k or more. Both your down payment and your mortgage payment will depend on what the house costs.

For a down payment you would generally want to put 20% down, plus closing costs, plus you'll want to have a bit saved up for the first year's repairs and maintenance.

You can calculate your monthly mortgage payment online (there are lots of calculators) based on your loan amount and interest rate, but you will need to add property taxes and insurance to that amount, and you should also have a budget for maintenance costs.
post #4 of 29
We're looking into buying a home right now and have been looking into this stuff recently. The short answer is that the amount that you will need for a down payment and mortgage payment will vary widely based on your credit, the price of your home and the interest rate you can get on a loan.

For most loans, you'll need at least 5% down. If you put less than 20% down you will have to pay private mortage insurance, which is paid monthly as part of your mortgage payment and can vary from $50 or so to $100 or more. You continue to pay this until you have paid off 20% of the value of the house, you have paid your mortgage on time for 5 years, or the value of the house has appreciated so that you have enough equity in the home. 20% is a great goal if that is at all feasible.

The mortgage payment is going to vary depending on the interest rate you get, which is going to be based on your credit score, and of course it depends heavily on the price of the house and the term of the loan. You'll pay more interest over the life of a 30 or 40 year loan but have smaller monthly payments than you would with a 15 or 20 year loan. If you can make it work, you'll save 10s of thousands of dollars with a shorter term loan. Another thing to consider are property taxes and home insurance. Typically, you pay 1/12 of the yearly amount with your mortgage payment each month and the money is held in escrow so that you don't have to come up with however much that amount is at once. That will vary from area to area - we're in FL and have fairly high taxes and insurance, and some states have higher costs and some lower. There are some good mortgage calculators on the web. Here is a good one. You can change the amount of the loan, the term and the interest rate and see how the payment changes. Just for example, for a 30 year, $100,000 loan at 6.25% interest rate, the monthly payment (principle + interest) would be $615.72. You would add the 1/12 of the yearly taxes and insurance - for me this would be about $250, and I would end up with a payment of about $865. If you've put less than 20% down, tack on another $100 for mortgage insurance. The taxes and property insurance may be more or less in your area - honestly, they will probably be less. Florida is notoriously expensive, especially as far as insurance goes. That was the part that really surprised me when we first started to look. At first glance, it seemed like our mortgage payment would be about the same as we had been paying for rent, but in reality, it will be that $250 more.

I hope that was somewhat helpful. There's so much to think about and consider, and I still feel half lost myself. It took me a couple of weeks of reading articles, discussing them with DH and pestering MIL, who is a realtor, with questions to feel like I had any grasp at all on it. Good luck!
post #5 of 29
Thread Starter 
Wow so many replies already, thanks everyone.
post #6 of 29
Some good info already. I heard something on a financial program this past week. I said all of this in another thread, but I'll say it again. One of the side effects of the sub-prime mortgage fall out is that new loans are getting harder to obtain. The analyst said that the 3 things mortgage brokers are looking for are *ability to verify reliable, long-term employment, *20% down, and *good FICO score. If one of these is less than optimal, you still have a chance to get the loan (i.e. if you don't have the 20% to put down, you need the good credit score and solid employment), but not two or three.

So how much you have to put down directly affects your ability to get a loan/a good loan rate. I think you could find out what you need (percentage-wise) if you go to a mortgage company and get "pre-approved". They'll also be able to tell you how much you can afford to borrow. (Personally, I'd cut that figure in half, though. Mortgage companies, IMHO, tend to overestimate what one can afford. You get into a house and then you have no money to do anything else!) Also, to reiterate what the PP said, in some parts of the country, it is actually cheaper to rent. Good luck!
post #7 of 29
I agree w/ most of what everyone else has posted. We have always did at least the 20% down on any loan. I think one reason the housing market is tanking like it is, is b/c so many loans were made to people who were not ready to have a mortgage, did not have anything saved up (even for home repairs which can costs lots $$), borrowed closing costs in addition to the full cost of the home, and were not in a financial place to make such large portions of their takehome pay in a monthly mortgage (mort. should be no more than 30% of your take-home pay each month) and were made on adjustable rate mortgages that are coming due now (and are too much for people to afford the increase in payments. You can avoid that by having a good sized downpayment, getting a repairs acct. ready so you won't have to put costly repairs on CCs, and check into the types/sizes of home and their cost!

Good Luck!
post #8 of 29
Ok maybe I'm out of touch but....the average price for all the homes I'm seeing in our area is at *least* $250,000 to $300,000. Granted we could move to a much worse area and probably pay less, for a teeny ranch in horrendous need of remodeling, but I would rather just live in an apartment forever than do that.

I think we have reasonable credit but probably not great...I need to look into that. I don't think we have anything recent on our credit report aside from maybe a couple of old doctors bills we could pay off. And we don't have any credit cards, we just use our visa/mastercard debit cards.

We've got some money in the bank, been saving up for a while. But who really has THAT much money in the bank before buying a house? 20% of $300,000 is $60,000 and that wouldn't even include a lot of the costs of buying the house right?

And nearly everyone we know owns a home, and is living paycheck to paycheck and spends a TON more money on everything than we do and is shocked we can save that much even living in an apartment. I doubt they had that much to put down on their homes and a lot have credit card debt as well.

If we wait till we have 60k in the bank, I think housing prices will probably have doubled and we'll *never* catch up.
post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by airmide_m View Post
Ok maybe I'm out of touch but....the average price for all the homes I'm seeing in our area is at *least* $250,000 to $300,000. Granted we could move to a much worse area and probably pay less, for a teeny ranch in horrendous need of remodeling, but I would rather just live in an apartment forever than do that.

I think we have reasonable credit but probably not great...I need to look into that. I don't think we have anything recent on our credit report aside from maybe a couple of old doctors bills we could pay off. And we don't have any credit cards, we just use our visa/mastercard debit cards.

We've got some money in the bank, been saving up for a while. But who really has THAT much money in the bank before buying a house? 20% of $300,000 is $60,000 and that wouldn't even include a lot of the costs of buying the house right?

And nearly everyone we know owns a home, and is living paycheck to paycheck and spends a TON more money on everything than we do and is shocked we can save that much even living in an apartment. I doubt they had that much to put down on their homes and a lot have credit card debt as well.

If we wait till we have 60k in the bank, I think housing prices will probably have doubled and we'll *never* catch up.

"Everyone we knows owns a home" is a bad reason to go buy a house! I've known way too many young couples over the past 1-2 years who decided after only several years of marriage that they HAD to buy a house/condo. Then when they had to move within 6-12 months (variety of reasons), they ended up losing their shirts.
post #10 of 29
You can do an 80/15. This way you are putting 5% down, but only have an 80% first mortgage with a 15% second... so no PMI to pay. You can pay off the second early as you get more $..this lets you into a home faster than saving up the 20%.

Shop around for these different suggested options. Don't get over your head! Do your budget and see what monthly you can afford. In addition to the mortgage payment you will have property taxes, homeowner's insurance, possibly HOA fees and/ or PMI. You also need to account for fix up expenses, since that likely isn't needed while renting.

You might get some tax break...depends on your tax rate if it makes much of a difference.

If you do decide to buy...pay for a good inspection. It can save you a lot of headache.

It can be better to rent...low payments can allow you to save a lot! A lot of that mortgage does go right to the bank, it isnt all into equity.
post #11 of 29
If we find a home to buy we will we doing zero down. For our area its been recommended to us to do so.

So we just need money for earnest money. Which we are just doing $1000
post #12 of 29
i agree that you should never buy a home just because everyone you know has one. but--don't get discouraged! buying a home IS a good investment, and it feels so great to have a place that is your own. you should talk to a banker or a mortgage person even if you are not thinking about buying right away, and they can show you all the numbers. you can look in older (but nice) neighborhoods for cheaper housing, or in smaller towns vs. a big city.

we are probably in the minority, but our house payments are much CHEAPER than our rent was before we moved. we were paying $525 to rent a 2 bedroom apartment, and now we are paying $450 a month on our 4 bedroom home and that INCLUDES taxes and insurance. it's a really nice place too! in a nice, older neighborhood. we didn't put anything down, but we only had to pay the private mortgage insurance for a month or two because our property increased in value so fast. i live in illinois, so you might not be able to find a place this cheap--but seriously--if one if your goals is to own a home, you should look into it. talk to bankers, financial planners, money savvy family members. realtors might be able to show you which neighborhoods are cheaper, but still nice.
post #13 of 29
I live in the lower midwest and home are pretty cheap around here. Maybe low $100,000 average. My bank told me that typically people around here should have 10% down so that's what we came up with. We were able to save for that in one year. We were very frugal!
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by AnamCara View Post
You can do an 80/15. This way you are putting 5% down, but only have an 80% first mortgage with a 15% second... so no PMI to pay. You can pay off the second early as you get more $..this lets you into a home faster than saving up the 20%.

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Is this really allowed? I thought PMI was to insure the lender against the risk of buyers walking away b/c they had little equity (i.e., less than 20%) to lose. (Just goes to show you how f'ing arbitrary the expenses are. I'm surprised banks haven't decided en masse (but no collusion going on, no way, of course not) to come up with a fee they charge buyers who were not born on Feb. 29th.)
post #15 of 29
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Is this really allowed? I thought PMI was to insure the lender against the risk of buyers walking away b/c they had little equity (i.e., less than 20%) to lose. (Just goes to show you how f'ing arbitrary the expenses are. I'm surprised banks haven't decided en masse (but no collusion going on, no way, of course not) to come up with a fee they charge buyers who were not born on Feb. 29th.)
I've bought two houses with 80/10 mortgages. Totally doable, and without PMI. It helps to have EXCELLENT credit and a great mortgage broker, though!

I recommend the book "First Time Home Buying for Dummies" - has a ton of great advice (not sure if it's been updated recently, so a few things might be dated) It was a godsend for me when I bought my first house and knew NOTHING. It will answer most of your questions.

For financial advice, I find Suze Orman hard to beat. She has a couple of books that might be good for you - with advice on improving your credit score (you can bring it WAY up in 2-5 years, and that will help a lot when you apply for a mortgage), how much mortgage you can afford and how to decide if buying a home is right for you.

One thing a lot of people don't factor in to the mix is maintenance costs. You really should put a couple hundred dollars a week into savings for taking care of the house (basic maintenance items like servicing the furnace, emergency items like a broken pipe, or long-term maintenance like having to replace the roof)
post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by WNB View Post
Is this really allowed? I thought PMI was to insure the lender against the risk of buyers walking away b/c they had little equity (i.e., less than 20%) to lose. (Just goes to show you how f'ing arbitrary the expenses are. I'm surprised banks haven't decided en masse (but no collusion going on, no way, of course not) to come up with a fee they charge buyers who were not born on Feb. 29th.)
Yes. See the lender who has the first mortgage IS only lending 80% of the value. The lender who has the second mortgage carries the greater risk as the first lender will be paid first in the case of foreclosure, so they are much more sure of getting their money back if you default, but the second lender makes up for not having PMI by charging much higher interest rates. You will pay a much higher interest rate for the second mortgage of an 80/15 than on an 80/10.

When we bought this place we took out an 80% mortgage and opened a HELOC for 10% (though we didn't use it) and the interest rate was I think 2.5% higher than the primary mortgage (a 30 year fixed) and was adjustable rate and we have excellent credit.
post #17 of 29
But MightyMoo... is this still the case since the collapse of the sub-prime lenders? I have been hearing in the news that creative financing such as 80/20 and 0% down is getting very, very hard to come by. It's even being blamed for worldwide market declines. I thought that banks were moving back to the traditional mortgage loan terms so that people who really can't afford a house don't get into one and therefore there won't be as many foreclosures (and fewer lenders going bankrupt).
post #18 of 29
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But MightyMoo... is this still the case since the collapse of the sub-prime lenders? I have been hearing in the news that creative financing such as 80/20 and 0% down is getting very, very hard to come by. It's even being blamed for worldwide market declines. I thought that banks were moving back to the traditional mortgage loan terms so that people who really can't afford a house don't get into one and therefore there won't be as many foreclosures (and fewer lenders going bankrupt).
Well, I don't know about the availability of such financing at this point, I was just trying to explain how the lender makes up for the fact that you don't have PMI. You pay a higher rate for having less than 20% down, either way.

Things brings up another point though - much of this sort of financing may not be available, and if your lender faces collapse they have the right to call your loan - meaning they can say 'Give us back our money'. If you have 20% down and good credit, you can probably go to another lender and refinance. But if you have a subprime loan to begin with and little equity (and with the real estate market shakey you may have lost that equity) you will be unable to obtain replacement financing. This happened big time in the 80s (the real estate market dropped and banks called their loans) and my parents have told me they had friends who lost their homes this way becuase they overextended themselves.
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by velochic View Post
But MightyMoo... is this still the case since the collapse of the sub-prime lenders? I have been hearing in the news that creative financing such as 80/20 and 0% down is getting very, very hard to come by. It's even being blamed for worldwide market declines. I thought that banks were moving back to the traditional mortgage loan terms so that people who really can't afford a house don't get into one and therefore there won't be as many foreclosures (and fewer lenders going bankrupt).
Not MightyMoo but...It still possible (as of this morning) to get a no money down loan. Not everyone will qualify for one (won't get into the boring minutia of loan qualification for various products) but the product is still out there. Good credit and documented income is pretty much the name of the as of right now...
post #20 of 29
Okay, this kind of lines up with what I am hearing. Before, as long as you were willing to take out a mortgage with a high interest rate, you could do the creative financing (even with poor credit, iffy employment, etc.). It sound like they are being picky about who they loan to, but if you meet a certain criteria, you can still get creative financing. Times - they are a changin'.
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