What is with the "Looks" thing?

[calngavinsmom]

I made the mistake of reading a circumcision support board this morning at another site I used to frequent. There was a thread about adhesions (post circ) and how these Mommas kept bringing their sons back to the doc again and again to have them torn back, or recirced. This was all in an attempt to get their son's penis' looking "right" or "normal".

What is the huge obsession with some to have a penis "look" a certain way? To me, all penis' are kinda funny looking anyway(as are female genitals *funny looking to me*), and it is all about function and sensation, or at least shouldn't it be?

And really, an infant penis looks nothing like a grown males, so all this "revising" as infants could leave it looking much different as the guy matures.

So what do you think? Why are these Mommas so much more concerned about how their babies genitals look than the pain this obviously causes them.....repeatedly?

I am genuinely perplexed.
Tara

[Microsoap]

They're insecure, selfish, vain people. You're right-- it IS perplexing that they want their sons' penises to look "just so". WHY??!! It's sick!

[Lauren82]

Originally Posted by Microsoap

They're insecure, selfish, vain people. You're right-- it IS perplexing that they want their sons' penises to look "just so". WHY??!! It's sick!

That's my thoughts on it as well. We live in some very vain societies. Women are even lining up for "designer vaginas". I was not aware that anyone's genitals, male or female, were supposed to look a certain way other than WHOLE.

[mija y mijo]

Originally Posted by calngavinsmom

I made the mistake of reading a circumcision support board this morning at another site I used to frequent. There was a thread about adhesions (post circ) and how these Mommas kept bringing their sons back to the doc again and again to have them torn back, or recirced. This was all in an attempt to get their son's penis' looking "right" or "normal".

WTH! This is so wrong... I HATE when I hear that someone's reasoning behind circumcision is so their son will look normal or have the same looking penis as his father. Poor babies.

[Rylins mama]

Originally Posted by Microsoap

They're insecure, selfish, vain people. You're right-- it IS perplexing that they want their sons' penises to look "just so". WHY??!! It's sick!

Couldnt have said it better.

[fruitful womb]

Parents shouldn't feel attracted to their ds's penis.

Its all about glorifying the flesh!

Take a neonatal nurse for example:

'Assisting during circumcisions is the favorite part of my job, as I think it's a moment of magic when a baby boy's glans is permanently exposed for the first time in his young life.'

:Puke
Naturally, she took steps to ensure that she had more moments of magic:

'As a nurse in the maternity wing of a large hospital, I have assisted with several hundred circumcisions. I am 100% in favor of routine circumcision. The pain the baby experiences is no doubt considerable, but I think it's more than worth it. … I strongly encourage any expectant mother to do it.'

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Circumcision also made a good show for this doctor:

'[C]ircumcision is a beautification comparable to rhinoplasty, and a circumcised penis appears in its flaccid state as an erect uncircumcised organ - a beautiful instrument of precise intent.

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Doctor Brian Morris, a circumcision advocate, makes the same point:

'What then is sexier about a circumcised penis? Quite likely it is that the glans is exposed in both the erect and unerect state, and therefore the unerect state still suggests the erect.

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Marvel Williamson and Paul Williamson, two medical researchers, said:

'While the foreskin of an uncircumcised penis can be retracted, the circumcised penis exists in exposed beauty whether flaccid or erect.'

So you see, mothers put this upon their newborns because it reflects how she feels her ds should look like. Glorifying the flesh is for the mentally disturbed!

[greenrosemom4]

I don't get it either. To me it's just sick to care so much what your sons penis looks like(unless of course there is actually something truely wrong with it.)

If a man came to his wife and said, "Honey I like a woman who has no hair "down there". I find hair to be a turn off, therefore I want you to take DD and have laser hair removal done so she never gets any hair down there. I'm sure her future DH will appreciate what we've done" She'd most likely pack up the kids and leave. Obviously something is seriously wrong with her DH.

But cutting off part of your sons penis for the same reason is okay? Sheesh.

Terri

[Papai]

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OH man, those quotes you posted fruitful womb, really paint the pro-circ advocates as fetishists. I mean these people are waxing poetic about erect-looking penises? :Puke

[grendal82002]

Anyone's guess is as good as mine. Maybe it has to do with their own insecurities? Or maybe they think its what has to be be done? It's a very perpelexing question.

[ThreeBeans]

Yeah, those quotes sound like fetish quotes, not the legitimate work of any real medical professional.

[Calidris]

What is the huge obsession with some to have a penis "look" a certain way?

I think it's probably because once you start with cosmetic surgery, you keep wanting to refine and "perfect" the appendage (be it penis, nose or breasts).
You no longer think of it as being however it is but as something under your control.

[Quirky]

AFAIK, Australian circumfetishist Brian Morris is not a medical doctor.

[mamasophy]

I think he's a molecular biologist (?)

[titania8]

i wonder too. why on earth should parents be attracted to their children's genitals? :

Originally Posted by Papai

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OH man, those quotes you posted fruitful womb, really paint the pro-circ advocates as fetishists. I mean these people are waxing poetic about erect-looking penises? :Puke

uh, yea, sick. sick sick sick. my guts are turning. seriously disturbing.

[gcgirl]

See, I totally do not get this argument. I personally find circ'd penises more aesthetically pleasing. : I don't know why; they just seem less...foldy, I guess. But I would never, EVER consider that as a reason to have my own son circ'd or to recommend it to others. Just like I would never recommend someone have their child's nose done, or get breast implants. An aesthetic preference is simply NOT a reason to go cutting things off. And I would be horrified if people wanted to "beautify" a girl's labia...even if they, like me, preferred it to look differently.

Also, how a penis looks doesn't make a difference in who I choose as a sex partner. If that's really a factor in who you go to bed with...well...I don't know what to say... Just that if my son had a girlfriend/boyfriend who spurned him over that, good. He's better off without her/him.

[Bm31]

Lots and lots of superficial people out there.

[Fyrestorm]

It's just an excuse to keep cutting babies..this argument was obviously wasn't used 2 generations ago when the dads were whole and cut their boys.

Why was it okay in 1950 for a boy to be cut and not look like his intact dad...but now, it's not okay for a intact boy not to look like his cut dad?

Like I said..just another excuse to keep chopping up babies

[phdmama06]

Wow, fruitful womb, those quotes that you posted are so disturbing that they almost don't seem like they could possibly be for real. :Puke

But, based on what a lot of pro-circs I know have said about their poor little babies' penises...I don't doubt that they are real. Those people are actually serious, and that's just messed up. I have met a couple of mommies who have consented to having their sons re-circed simply because they thought the first circ looked "wrong," i.e. too much like an intact penis. I feel sad for people who subscribe to that pathetic belief, even more sad for the innocent little boys who suffer at their hands.

And if a so-called professional neonatal nurse made such comments about a baby girl's private parts, wouldn't she receive some kind of disciplinary action, or even get fired? And she can say this about a boy? How is that OK?

[eepster]

Possibly the problem is that they really do look wrong now (just hear me out it will make sense in the end.)

There sons were born normal. On some instinctual level they must have seen their sons as perfect, but this was buried under many layers of cultural conditioning.

Then some Dr circ'd their sons, and now it doesn't look normal anymore. The cultural conditioning is so deep that it doesn't occur to them that the reason things seem wrong is b/c their sons are not meant to be circ'd.

This leads to the ill fated attempts to fix the wrongness by assuming that the boy needs to be more circ'd looking.

[lovingmommyhood]

Originally Posted by fruitful womb

Parents shouldn't feel attracted to their ds's penis.

Its all about glorifying the flesh!

Take a neonatal nurse for example:
:Puke
Naturally, she took steps to ensure that she had more moments of magic:
:

Circumcision also made a good show for this doctor:
:

Doctor Brian Morris, a circumcision advocate, makes the same point:

:
Marvel Williamson and Paul Williamson, two medical researchers, said:


So you see, mothers put this upon their newborns because it reflects how she feels her ds should look like. Glorifying the flesh is for the mentally disturbed!

There are many reasons that parents (it's not only evil mothers "putting it upon" their newborns by the way) circumcise their children and I think you would be hard pressed to find one whos reasoning was sexual attraction to the infants genitals. That is a major stretch. A lot of the time the parents are mis or uninformed about the whole thing and just think everybody else is doing it so it must be right.

DS1 is circumcised and his glans kept reattaching. I had no clue about anything and I just kept bringing him back to the ped and he kept pulling it down and instructed me to do so as well. I thought it would reattach and become deformed. Like I said, I had NO clue. It had nothing to do with being attracted to his penis and that really makes me sick that you would even say that.

I was really curious where you were finding these bizarre quotes so I did a little digging. Hmmm... I knew I smelled something fishy.


"An interest in 'the flesh' can be noted in circumcision enthusiasts. This is obvious in a sexually charged website like Circlist,26 but examples of 'glorying in the flesh' can also be seen in medical and other circles. Take a neonatal nurse, quoted in Circlist: (Again, the sexually charged website)

'Assisting during circumcisions is the favorite part of my job, as I think it's a moment of magic when a baby boy's glans is permanently exposed for the first time in his young life.' Sandra (US)27

Naturally, she took steps to ensure that she had more moments of magic:
'As a nurse in the maternity wing of a large hospital, I have assisted with several hundred circumcisions. I am 100% in favor of routine circumcision. The pain the baby experiences is no doubt considerable, but I think it's more than worth it. … I strongly encourage any expectant mother to do it.'28

Circumcision also made a good show for this doctor:

'[C]ircumcision is a beautification comparable to rhinoplasty, and a circumcised penis appears in its flaccid state as an erect uncircumcised organ - a beautiful instrument of precise intent.'29

Doctor Brian Morris, a circumcision advocate, makes the same point. After noting a survey of American women where 90 per cent of respondents said that the circumcised penis 'looked sexier' he wrote:

'What then is sexier about a circumcised penis? Quite likely it is that the glans is exposed in both the erect and unerect state, and therefore the unerect state still suggests the erect.'30

So it seems that American women like the same show. And so do some of the men. Marvel Williamson and Paul Williamson, two medical researchers, said:

'While the foreskin of an uncircumcised penis can be retracted, the circumcised penis exists in exposed beauty whether flaccid or erect.'31
Frankness is indeed a feature of their study. It asked new mothers what kind of penis they preferred for certain kinds of sexual activities. What they found was the sexual involvement in the decisions of the mothers who had their sons circumcised.

'While many mothers may not consciously view their sons as sexual beings, many may opt for circumcision with the belief that the son will be more sexually attractive to his future sexual partners, based on how they themselves feel.'32"

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