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Originally Posted by lovingmommyhood  There are many reasons that parents (it's not only evil mothers "putting it upon" their newborns by the way) circumcise their children and I think you would be hard pressed to find one whos reasoning was sexual attraction to the infants genitals. That is a major stretch. A lot of the time the parents are mis or uninformed about the whole thing and just think everybody else is doing it so it must be right.
DS1 is circumcised and his glans kept reattaching. I had no clue about anything and I just kept bringing him back to the ped and he kept pulling it down and instructed me to do so as well. I thought it would reattach and become deformed. Like I said, I had NO clue. It had nothing to do with being attracted to his penis and that really makes me sick that you would even say that.
I was really curious where you were finding these bizarre quotes so I did a little digging. Hmmm... I knew I smelled something fishy.
"An interest in 'the flesh' can be noted in circumcision enthusiasts. This is obvious in a sexually charged website like Circlist, 26 but examples of 'glorying in the flesh' can also be seen in medical and other circles. Take a neonatal nurse, quoted in Circlist: (Again, the sexually charged website)'Assisting during circumcisions is the favorite part of my job, as I think it's a moment of magic when a baby boy's glans is permanently exposed for the first time in his young life.' Sandra (US)27Naturally, she took steps to ensure that she had more moments of magic:'As a nurse in the maternity wing of a large hospital, I have assisted with several hundred circumcisions. I am 100% in favor of routine circumcision. The pain the baby experiences is no doubt considerable, but I think it's more than worth it. … I strongly encourage any expectant mother to do it.'28Circumcision also made a good show for this doctor:'[C]ircumcision is a beautification comparable to rhinoplasty, and a circumcised penis appears in its flaccid state as an erect uncircumcised organ - a beautiful instrument of precise intent.'29Doctor Brian Morris, a circumcision advocate, makes the same point. After noting a survey of American women where 90 per cent of respondents said that the circumcised penis 'looked sexier' he wrote: 'What then is sexier about a circumcised penis? Quite likely it is that the glans is exposed in both the erect and unerect state, and therefore the unerect state still suggests the erect.'30
So it seems that American women like the same show. And so do some of the men. Marvel Williamson and Paul Williamson, two medical researchers, said: 'While the foreskin of an uncircumcised penis can be retracted, the circumcised penis exists in exposed beauty whether flaccid or erect.'31
Frankness is indeed a feature of their study. It asked new mothers what kind of penis they preferred for certain kinds of sexual activities. What they found was the sexual involvement in the decisions of the mothers who had their sons circumcised.
'While many mothers may not consciously view their sons as sexual beings, many may opt for circumcision with the belief that the son will be more sexually attractive to his future sexual partners, based on how they themselves feel.' 32" Original Link |
Your RIGHT!! Thats exactly where I got it from!!!
I didn't post that link because I was afraid the MODS would shut me down...
Here is where the quotes from that document came from.
Circlist: Personal Preferences and Experiences. (Spool down or seach for "Sandra".) <http://www.circlist.org/cpreferences.html>, accessed 15 October 2001.Legitimate Professionals do go on that site!
I don't doubt she was a real nurse. My MIL is a nurse. I've heard her talk like this too. Says its "prettier". She assisted in circumcisions and "the babies don't feel pain." Tell me you don't think thats evil!
Goodwin quoted by Kaufman JJ: Should circumcision be done routinely? Med Aspects Hum Sexual 1:27-28, 1967. It was quoted in 'Whither the Foreskin? A Consideration of Routine Neonatal Circumcision' by Capt. E. Noel Preston, MC, USAF, Journal of the American Medical Association, Volume 213 Number 11: Pages 1853-1858, September 14, 1970. <http://www.cirp.org/library/general/preston/>Not from Circlist!
Brian Morris, In Favour of Circumcision, UNSW Press, Sydney, Australia, 1999, page 55.Again NOT from Circlist
Marvel L. Williamson and Paul S. Williamson. Women's Preferences for Penile Circumcision In Sexual Partners. Journal of Sex Education and Therapy vol 14, No. 2, (Fall/Winter 1988) pp. 8-12. <http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/2754/womenpref.html>, accessed 15 October 2001. Do I have to tell you again?
What does it matter if it was from a sexually charged website anyways? The point is, these are REAL PEOPLE who get together loathing about the flesh and glorify the altered human being!
Before you go and excuse me of calling mothers "Evil"! I didn't call these mothers evil. I personally know mothers who were adamant that their son's had to "Look" a certain way so they signed them up for cosmetic surgery. Subconsciously this stems from her own preference in a male partner. Most Americans are conditioned that a penis has to look a certain way and it wasn't the "INTACT" genitalia! American Medical Professionals (The ones educated in America) are taught in medical school that the INTACT MALE GENITALIA is gross and ugly. WHY? Because medical text books show only circumcised penises, EVEN IN UTERO! I KNOW this because my cousin is a Doctor fresh from residency. I asked him what they teach doctors about the foreskin, he said, "Nothing, they just taught me how to cut it off". They only teach them how to amputate normal healthy tissue. Not that the tissue is healthy and has a purpose.
I have a friend who is a nurse and she told me about the medical text books having pictures of circumcised penises in utero. And I believe her. The American Medical Establishment will not rush into circumcising a female child BECAUSE they teach medical students how to properly care for her if an infection ever arise. This is beyond discrimination! This is ignorance and BIGOTED behavior. My friend, the nurse, ADMITS she use to talk like the nurse in the quote I posted. I've heard FIRST HAND the same kind of talks from MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS. Its not as far fetch as you think. They are brainwashed for a reason. They're taught to think like this so circumcision can continue in America.
The parents who subject their newborn ds's to this atrocity ARE uneducated on the matter. I ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN TO MY OWN FLESH AND BLOOD!!! Because I didn't know any better. Growing up only seeing circumcised penises (babysitting), and never knowing what was really normal. I didn't think the intact penis looked normal to me. I thought it was suppose to look like what I was more attracted to. I know, its sick. This kept me stuck on fence when my ds was about to go through circumcision. Yes, my instincts were screaming. Now that I know better, I find the intact penis very sexy, sorry TMI! YOU CAN FLAME ME ALL YOU WANT!!!!!!!!!! IT'LL NEVER BE AS BAD AS WHAT I GO THROUGH EV-ER-Y SING-LE DAY, and possible till the day I die. MY WOUND WILL NEVER HEAL!!! Don't dismiss my quotes too quickly. They ARE the WORK of REAL PEOPLE. THESE PEOPLE DO EXIST!!!
Whats with this, "I thought I smelled something fishy"? AND I THOUGHT we were all in this together trying hard to STOP RIC!!! IF someone has their information incorrect, (WHICH I DON'T!) we're here to HELP THEM GET IT RIGHT, NOT FLAME THEM!!! ITS THIS JOB, MY SOLE PURPOSE IN THIS LIFE - TO SAVE THESE NEWBORN BOYS FROM NEEDLESS TORCHURE,(and to love my family of course) ITS THE ONLY WAY TO GET BETTER AT WHAT WE DO!
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