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post #1 of 18
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I posted this in special needs awhile back and would like to re-open it to a bigger audience. My dd is 12 and entering middle school. She has Asperger's so she is very quirky and wide open to teasing --either whispered or outright. Over the years we have "schooled' her on social mores body english, social cues to help her get along , blend in, and deal with the public.

We have tried to teach looks aren't important, and we certainly do not stress name brand labels and such. However, when she picks out an outfit for school it's usually 2 pieces that she likes separately but they in no way go together--a plaid wool skirt and a sleeveless flowery top, say.

How do I go about "dressing her" , trying to let her maintain her individuality, yet keeping the giant "kick me" sign to a minimum. As a quirky A.S. kid, she has enough issues that set her apart..how do I deal with clothing..(and hair for that matter)? I feel like when I reject her outfits on the basis of "man is she going to get looks and comments on that!" I feel I am undermining what I want her to learn regarding outward appearances and being an individual.

anyone getting what I'm trying to ask???
post #2 of 18
The best idea I can come up with is for you to put outfits together, and let your DD pick one of them. That way she has a choice in the matter, but you know that she's not picking out something truly horrible. This has worked for my children (who are younger than your DD).

You may also want to try posting on the teens/pre-teens board.
post #3 of 18
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Thanks, annetz! Off to cross post in preteens.
post #4 of 18
perhaps when the two of you go shopping you can let her lead the way but then help her switch out peices to make it more appropriate. or maybe flip through magazines or online and look for outfits she likes.

also keeping the choice in her closet to a minimum might help. also if you keep it to basics. My dd has mostly cute bottoms and solid color T-shirts that match everything. another option is cute shirts with jeans and or khakis. these match eveything. then a few special outfits. if there are only a few peices she can only put them together in so many different ways.
post #5 of 18
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also if you keep it to basics. My dd has mostly cute bottoms and solid color T-shirts that match everything. another option is cute shirts with jeans and or khakis. these match eveything. then a few special outfits. if there are only a few peices she can only put them together in so many different ways.
This is what I was going to suggest. DS is 4 and likes to dress himself. He usually looks fine because all his clothes more or less go together. He has mostly neutral colored bottoms and some jeans, so he can put basically any shirt with them and they look fine. This would probably be harder to pull off with a girl, and also your DD is older so she might have more pronounced preferences than DS - although DS *does* have preferences, lol. I don't know how hard it would be to steer her towards more neutral bottoms, and let her pick out whatever crazy top she wants, lol. Or vice versa - but pick one and stick with it, i.e. *all* neutral tops OR *all* neutral bottoms, otherwise it'll defeat the point and she'll start mixing her polka dots with her plaids again.

Or, maybe she'd really get into dresses. If only pantsuits were in style among the preteen set...
post #6 of 18
Can I ask - does it bother her when people tease her about the way she is dressed?
post #7 of 18
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Does it bother her? Well, because of her A.S she has a hard time differentiating between sincerity "Oo, nice top!", Teasing, "oo, nice top" and sarcasm: "ooo, nice top." As it is, she has a hard time understanding why some kids think shes weird.

I'm just trying to lessen the opprtunities some kids have to attack. Now that we are in middle school, it is harder by far. I guess if she truly understood the consequences of her sometimes bizarre clothing choices, I could go along with it. you know, "if you're going to make a fashion statement be prepared for statements.'
post #8 of 18
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Does it bother her? Well, because of her A.S she has a hard time differentiating between sincerity "Oo, nice top!", Teasing, "oo, nice top" and sarcasm: "ooo, nice top." As it is, she has a hard time understanding why some kids think shes weird.

I'm just trying to lessen the opprtunities some kids have to attack. Now that we are in middle school, it is harder by far. I guess if she truly understood the consequences of her sometimes bizarre clothing choices, I could go along with it. you know, "if you're going to make a fashion statement be prepared for statements.'
Since she does not understand the consequences, I would help her do some shopping of outfits she likes. I would steer her to things that are within the relm of what other kids are wearing.

After all, this is not about her making a statement, its about her not understanding the statement she is making. That's not fair to her.

So lay out three or four outfits each night and let her decide which she likes best.
post #9 of 18
I just did the bulk of the school shopping today, and I definitely subscribe to the cute tops/neutral bottoms school of thought.
post #10 of 18
I get where you are coming from, Nankay. Does she appreciate help in the fashion department? Or does she resist it? In other words does it offend her when you offer your guidance?
post #11 of 18
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I get where you are coming from, Nankay. Does she appreciate help in the fashion department? Or does she resist it? In other words does it offend her when you offer your guidance?
That's what I was going to ask, too. Is she okay with you helping her or does she want to do things her way with no input from you at all? If she doesn't mind help then I would suggest getting one of these things (mine are from Ikea). At the beginning of the week work together with her to pick out 4 outfits (that match ) and put one in each section. Then for the next 4 days she can pick out which outfit she wants to wear on which day. Those are ds's in the picture. One holds outfits, the other pj's. I keep them filled (most of the time) and let him pick what he wants out of them. I was behind for a couple days and so when I finally refilled it today Owen opened the closet and lets out a big "Ohhhh..... yay mama!" He definately loves this set up. I am not using it to keep ds from picking his own outfits. Rather, he gets so upset when I tell him to pick something (before we had this set up) because it was just too much for him. He didn't care about clothes, he doesn't care (mostly) what he wears and there were just too many choices. 4 choices is just the right amount for him though.
post #12 of 18
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Thank you for your suggestions! I feel bad when she comes out of her room with something unacceptable and asks, "Why can't I wear this?" It's like I'm enabling another generation of kids to tease and mock someone for their outward appearances. Yet, that is the world in which we live and I as a parent have to help dd navigate those unwritten rules as much as I don't like them.
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by Nankay View Post
Thank you for your suggestions! I feel bad when she comes out of her room with something unacceptable and asks, "Why can't I wear this?" It's like I'm enabling another generation of kids to tease and mock someone for their outward appearances. Yet, that is the world in which we live and I as a parent have to help dd navigate those unwritten rules as much as I don't like them.
I understand what you are saying. I guess what it is is that your dd does not understand those rules. She's not rejecting them, she just can't "see" them. Maybe if she could, she would decide she is most comfortable following them.
In this situation I'd err on the side of "caution."
post #14 of 18
Nankay - if it makes you feel better this is really normal for this age. My dd is a fashion disaster and just doesn't get it. She really think she is putting it all together right etc and sometimes i just have to tell her "honey . . .you look like a dork . . .what look were you going for here? this look takes practice and money we don't have . . . " My cousin dressed her little sister until she went to college (its really unfortunate they didn't go to the same college). her sister had an . . .eccentric personality and wears the craziest stuff. Some people just need fashion help. I still have to have the sales people pick out my clothes. you don't need to feel bad about teaching your dd how to put an outfit together. Just be sensitive to her comfort level and general style direction.
post #15 of 18

How about enlisting another middle-schooler?

Is there a girl cousin or neighbor or another young person she admires that you could maybe take along for a shopping trip? That could make for a subtle opening of the subject... what are other people going to think of my outfit-type thoughts.

A conversation between the two of THEM might even open the door to her asking YOU for your opinions on not clashing, etc.

VF
post #16 of 18
I might be flamed (I hope not!) but I am gonna say this- I think its significantly important how she is dressed. : NOT more than alot of other stuff that really matters I know, but it STILL is important. Whether you or I or anyone else likes it or not, there are gonna be kids out there who might just pick on her because of the way her clothing looks. : It sucks, its not right but it happens. This is coming from someone who was picked on and spat at in school for years because I was made to wear a really fugly haircut and had nothing but clothing that kids laugh at. So I am telling you that it WILL matter to me how my DD looks.

I would still be sensitive to how she feels about her choices though. Maybe get her to pick the top and you pick the bottom/vice versa? Or buy stuff that goes togetehr easily, or try to see if you can convince her that a fancy (stripey/dotty/flowery) top goes much better with a plain bottom and so on. Have fun!
post #17 of 18
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kkeris, I know exactly what you are saying. I was tortured for my hair "style" --for lack of a better word. I just didn't know HOW to do anything..and I had no help. I'm not much different now..come to think of it..LOL I wore a uniform to school for the first 8 years and hated it as a kid. Now as a parent, I would LOVE for the school to bring those in. That's very true what maya said about not understanding the rules. I would be ok if she knew them, understood them and then rejected them and went "goth" or something. That would be her "look". Now we're just unintentionally into the 'dork"
post #18 of 18
Oh man . . . i tell ya what . . . . if my kids ever go to school anywhere they will go somewhere with very specific uniforms.
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