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post #1 of 21
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The MW has basically put me on light duty for the next 13 weeks. She wants me focused on nothing else but this baby. Not bed rest, per say, but has made it clear that I am to do nothing but light exercise, eat, drink and rest or my care will be transferred and the babe is at risk.

My liver is not functioning correctly and I am not giving it enough fluids and detoxifying herbs to cleanse the toxins coming into my system from the amniotic fluid that replaces itself every few hours. So instead, I am putting more pressure on the liver to have to detox my system.

I am also now measuring smaller and the MW says it's due to the lack of protein. But for the life of me, I eat better than I ever have. I don't get it! Part of me says the protein thing is bunk. But I want to believe she knows what she's talking about. Yet how did I have other healthy kids on a crappy diet? She says I am older and I don't think she really believes me anyway.

After all, I am fat and having problems, I must be lying about my diet, right? I made a joke about how I should go back to my diet of McDonald's twice a day, fortified with chips and Mountain Dew. That's mostly what I ate with my first two pregnancies! She didn't find that funny.

I think they're really tired of me. It seems SO easy, right? Just eat more proetin and drink more water. Period. But gag me! I am having such a hard time getting it all down. TWO things I have the hardest time with at any point in my life - eating protein and drinking water!

One part of me wants to forge ahead and prove I can do this by my next appt in two weeks. The other part of me says just give up.
post #2 of 21
I'm sorry Gina I know that you've been working SO hard to get tons of protein in...
post #3 of 21


I'm sorry you're having such a hard time, Mama.

I'm worried about you...especially since you are already working so hard to eat protein and get your fluids in.

You know how I feel about the nutrition thing...I totally buy into it, but I don't like the guilt stuff and I always wonder how those moms who smoke, drink and eat only McDonalds seem to do just fine... (I know that not ALL of them do..., but still...)

Could there be some other underlying issue/condition that is being missed? Can you get some more extensive blood work done?
post #4 of 21
s mama I was just set to come on and complain about my back, but really, it's nothing. I don't know how you mama's with "complications" do it. My best to you and sending you my strength.
post #5 of 21
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Someone sent me a supportive PM and reminded me that some mama's bodies just betray them. While I am lucky to not deal with the things like cerclage, infertility, clotting disorders, etc, I get hyperemesis early on and then I consistently have problems starting around the 7th month with all my pregnancies.

This one started earlier with the liver/urine thing, but with the other three I had two toxemias and one PIH after 7 months. I wonder if my homebirth is doomed.

While this thought makes me feel better (that I can't really control it and shouldn't let them make me feel guilty), I am still disappointed because I just assumed that since I was a little older, wiser and eat SO much better, I wouldn't have any of these problems. Wrong :
post #6 of 21
For the protein, you can eat beans, eggs or peanut butter. You'd be surprised what you can do with those three things. If you'd like some good recipes, PM me. For the water, add some lemon, orange or other fruit slices or crystal light to it.

Anna
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by GinaRae View Post

After all, I am fat and having problems, I must be lying about my diet, right? I made a joke about how I should go back to my diet of McDonald's twice a day, fortified with chips and Mountain Dew. That's mostly what I ate with my first two pregnancies! She didn't find that funny.
I find it very funny : : : VERY!

Sorry tho, you have to deal with this. I am not all convinced about the protein thing either. This pregnancy is my first where I am not eating a lot of meat. No eggs, cheese... My protein is fine, or so they say and I measure faithfully 1cm ahead, just like with the other pregnancies. With my first I did EVERYTHING by the book and they always complained my protein was low. I don't get it either.

Anyhoo, I hope the rest of your pregnancy will be healthy and you can relax and go with your guts.
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by Da WIC Lady View Post
For the protein, you can eat beans, eggs or peanut butter. You'd be surprised what you can do with those three things.
I just started eating PB this week again (with chocolate!), otherwise since I had m/s it has always made me nauseated.

I am a vegetarian mostly (when not preggers) and not by choice, but by the simple fact that meats and animal products make me want to yack. I eat a fair amount of eggs now, BUT they also tend to make me icky. I will save you from my nickname for them, but I have a problem consuming them because of what they ARE.

Beans, beans, beans, I add those in whenever and wherever I can!
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by GinaRae View Post
After all, I am fat and having problems, I must be lying about my diet, right? I made a joke about how I should go back to my diet of McDonald's twice a day, fortified with chips and Mountain Dew. That's mostly what I ate with my first two pregnancies! She didn't find that funny.
I hate, hate, hate that attitude from medical professionals. So sorry you're having to deal with that on top of things not going the way you had hoped.

I've got no suggestions on the protien, but on the water, can you drink other fluids as well? I'm not fully up on the liver/detox thing, but are juice, tea, lemonade, things like that feasible? I usually have no problem drinking lots of water, but lately, I want flavor, and plain water isn't going down as well. It sucks.
post #10 of 21
Gina.
post #11 of 21
OHHH mama, I know how hard you are trying.. as long as you are doing your best (and I know you are, and then some) then that is all we can ask of ourselves.. can you manage dairy?? fermented?? cottage cheese or plain yogurt?? maybe,, it usually goes down pretty easily.. what about Quinoa?? I use that alot for protein.. if water makes you sick try a stomach acid booster (even lemon juice or a tsp of vinegar will work) so water does not nauseate you.. I wish there was more we could do... sigh
post #12 of 21
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I grabbed this from the Friday food thread. This is really a typical day for me. Sometimes I will have Special K for breakfast instead, or eggs and toast. Once in a while I do skip breakfast, but for the past two weeks, I have been eating breakfast regularly I think.

I may drink less too as yesterday was a good liquids day for me. But take a look and see if this is not enough protein.....


~ BREAKFAST: Honey wheat bagel with egg, extra cheese, some bacon

~ LUNCH: Large salad with lots of stuff, including cheese, garbanzo beans, cottage cheese, and egg for protein

~ DINNER: Turkey burger taco salad with pico de galo, lettuce, cheese and beans

~ DRINKS: (3) 16oz bottles of water, (1) 20oz of O Water (electrolyte enhanced water), 16oz fountain Pepsi, (1) 20oz Smart Water (electrolyte enhanced)

~ SNACK: (1) small hamburger
post #13 of 21
y6ou prro girl

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I am also now measuring smaller and the MW says it's due to the lack of protein. But for the life of me, I eat better than I ever have. I don't get it! Part of me says the protein thing is bunk. But I want to believe she knows what she's talking about. Yet how did I have other healthy kids on a crappy diet? She says I am older and I don't think she really believes me anyway.
BTDT -- Theo was measureing 6 weeks behind by the time he was born .... and i caught soooooooooooooo much c%^p. The MW basically accused me of starving him !!!!!!!! even with my food journal that she out right said was a lie and "not possible". we did not have a good relationship by the end ................HOWEVER Theo was a healthy 5 pound 9 oz. One thing i learned -- on my own NM did NOT find it necessary to tell me -- is that 95 to98 of baies that end up labled UGR -- as The was -- are 100% perfectly fine they are just small babies and the kick is you can't tell if the baby is in the 95 % or the 5% till birth anyway -- so really you do no good to the mom OR baby by stressing out the family. We are -- aggain -- measureing behind -- but eh OB is totally NOT stressed about it; he says i have a history of this and Theo was healthy so he needs more reg flags before he worried.

However i remember well the dreed of each WM appt last time, the hour long food leacure and so on -- the constantly feeling ike i was force feeding myself and the whole situationa dn how unplesant it made everything. I am failry thin and i kept hearing, from DH, from MW, from all of DH's family "just eat more, how hard can it be?" and DH would say "gee, if someone TOLD me to sit around, and do nothing and eat....." I undestand the bad feelings.

I think you have hit the nail on the head -- yes a good diet is optiomal -- but many many mnay many mnay healthy and "normal" babuies are born to moms out there that are eating nothing but WHite Casle and Diet Soda so I have alwasy felt that harashing US who are trying (and yes i love a daily bowl of chips with DS< so i am not perfect) is beyond silly.... YK.

Continue to do your best, as i know you already do, but be realistic.... it will do the baby less good to FREAK about your diet all the time -- stress hormon for momma = stress hormone for baby -- then it does for the baby to have a good diet, and ahappy momma. YK?

As for the "light duty" same advice my sis had the back up MW put her on bed rest -- with an almost 4 yo and a DH who travles 2 to 3 weeks a month -- at teh end of her pregancy. her normal MW took her off it because "I would rather you do the chorse you feel you can, on a day to day basic, than sit around stressing about what is not done trying to follow blanket bed rest rules" you have 3 older kids...........YES you need to take care of YOU and the BABY ... but you have to be realstic and not put updo expectantions on yourself that are going to upset you more. YK

But more water, or more weak RRL tea, will help. I was drinking so much with Theo -- and am again now -- i feel i might as well just live in the bathroom. What about water with ANYthign in it -- a little chrystal light, made weak, if it gets the water in you -- whatever works, yK??

a lot of raw veggies are good for the liver -- either eat them raw or drink rawa juice

(sis is still haveing bad liver numbers and irration, 6 month PP)

also -- grapes are really good for the liver and digestion.

m,kore tomorrow DH is home
post #14 of 21
As a vegetarian I was worried about protein but I started reading labels and I was not in any danger. I have, daily:
2 morningstar farms soysages- 20g protein
a luna bar- 10g protein
special k with protein- 10g protein

That is 40g right there without trying- I aim for at least 60. I am currently munching on 2 veggie dogs (total 20g protein)- and then there is all the little extra things- yogurt, soy milk, etc, and it all adds up. I know you were probably not looking for protein advice but I have found it easy to meet the requirements...

Sorry you are dealing with this. Hang in there, mama!
post #15 of 21
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: I just thought of something today.

I knew the day I ovulated and conceived and I had a 35 day cycle going before I conceived, so I go by the cycle and pegged my due date as 11/30. But the midwives keep falling back to their wheel and going by the 11/23 date of a 28 day cycle.

SO if I was measuring a bit small, wouldn't it make sense that it's because I really am only 26 weeks instead of 27? But instead of that, I am grumbled at because I am not eating enough protein. When I think I am! Even my husband thinks I am not doing my part and is upset with me. :

I need to know, what amount of protein should I take in and how do I measure how much protein is in things like servings of meats that aren't labeled?
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by GinaRae View Post


I need to know, what amount of protein should I take in and how do I measure how much protein is in things like servings of meats that aren't labeled?

I have been told between 60-75g protein. I hate to admit it but I have "Eating Well While You're Expecting" (I don't like the whole series) and it has all sorts of tables with protein sources, amounts, etc. I am not much help, am I! I am sure there must be some online sources for nutritional info...

ETA: this may help if you scroll down a bit...

http://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu...s/protein.html
post #17 of 21
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O if I was measuring a bit small, wouldn't it make sense that it's because I really am only 26 weeks instead of 27? But instead of that, I am grumbled at because I am not eating enough protein. When I think I am! Even my husband thinks I am not doing my part and is upset with me.
That could be part -- but again -- Theo was measuring 6 weeks behind and was a healthy full term, 5 pound 9 oz boy BUT this time i made it clear to our OB what my O date was, since we plotted and planned This Baby and were charting and POAS I could tell him, he listened to me -- when i got pos POAS test, and looked at my chart, and agreed to my O date -- which was 5 days LATE due to nurseing, and so we set my EDD based on that... course now i have no wiggle room at week 42 .

check out this site -- http://www.bradleybirth.com/PD.aspx -- it is the Bradely DIet (also called the Brewer Diet).....the reason i gave you this link -- if you download the excell spread sheet -- or i can e-amil it to you if you PM me -- there is a HUGE back page of 'look up values" of all sorts of foods -- not jsut he good girl ones either .

I have alwsy been told to shoot for 80 grams a day pregant, and 100 a day pregant and nurseing. My MW had me shooting for 200 a day the final tri-mister fo Theo's pregancy due to his lack of grouth (quote, unquote) and my slow weight gain. HOWEVER I think that was over the top -- I would shoot for 100 if i was you.

Also remember -- what is the Akins diet??? __ ALL PROTINE and no carbs -- it si a weight loss program ... think about that ... you NEED carbs -- veggies and fruit .... so do not make every bite you consume protine.

I will psot tomorrow about ways to sneak in protin.

AImee
post #18 of 21
The Bradley Diet, which calls for 75-100g of protein a day, has been shown to prevent preeclampsia. It is NOT Atkins-style eating though--Brewer also calls for lots and lots of veggies, whole-grain carbs, etc. It is a VERY balanced diet. This is the lowdown:

Every Day Eat:
4 servings dairy
2 eggs
2 additional proteins
2 servings dark green leafy veggies
4 servings grains
1-2 fruits

In Addition:
Eat a potato 3 times a week
Have a yellow or orange vegetable 5 times a week
Salt to taste
Drink to thirst

Check out these links for more info:
http://www.blueribbonbaby.org/ifyouarepregnant/

http://nutrition.birthingnaturally.n...iles/frame.htm
post #19 of 21
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The Bradley Diet, which calls for 75-100g of protein a day, has been shown to prevent preeclampsia. It is NOT Atkins-style eating though--Brewer also calls for lots and lots of veggies, whole-grain carbs, etc. It is a VERY balanced diet.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - I know -- I did NOT mean Bradely was Akinka -- it TIOTALLY is not ... I meant the 200 grams of protien -- and the fact i had to eat so much protine and sooooooooooooo little nothing else (to have "room" for all the prtine i was putting in my mouth) THAT turned into the Akinks diet (quote).................i meant od-ing on protine could lead to not enough csarbs and so on....................

i think bradely is great.....................
post #20 of 21
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Thanks, Aimee, the link is very helpful for figuring out my numbers

I understood what you were saying - if you're eating nothing BUT protein, it is like the Atkins diet, which may make some sense as to why I don't gain much with this pregnancy because I don't eat the fruits and veggies I used to??? Who knows. I think it may have just kicked my metabolism into gear too.

Googy, I can try to get in the fruits and veggies too. I've gone way down on those.


Maisiedotes
, Wow, 60g sounds really low! For three days I have had 112, 99 and on my worst day of junk (yesterday) I had 66:

~ BREAKFAST: Pancakes & syrup, and then later hamburger and three eggs (Approx. 44g Protein)

~ LUNCH/DINNER/SNACKS: (Birthday party most of the day) 5 deviled eggs, 2 cupcakes, piece of cheese, chips and dip, apple slice, pickle, ice cream sandwich, ritz crackers (Approx. 22g Protein)

~ DRINKS: (3) 20oz Smart Water, 12oz water, 12oz soda

TOTAL APPROX PROTEIN: 66g
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