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post #1341 of 1428
I posted my first article to P&P yesterday, the one I mentioned above, and got a note from the editor "heaping praise" for the piece, which apparently flags the article with a little heart. Very cool!
post #1342 of 1428
Koala – way to go on the Halloween article (Fun & Unique Homemade Halloween Costume Ideas?) and the P&P article. I have one I want to put in there, but I'm a little nervous. I'm working on another music one first, though. I've sorta gotten stalled. Gonna see what I can get accomplished today, though.
post #1343 of 1428
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Originally Posted by KoalaMama View Post
I posted my first article to P&P yesterday, the one I mentioned above, and got a note from the editor "heaping praise" for the piece, which apparently flags the article with a little heart. Very cool!
Congrats - that is awesome!
post #1344 of 1428
Awesome about the little heart. I got a little ballsy and published an article that actually ended up being un-published, taken offline...................disabled (I knew if I held the key down long enough I'd think of the word)

Yeah- It was called "Famous quotes about learning" and basically just listed a bunch of quotes.

Eyereen was not amused.

darnit.

Except I've seen other "articles" that just listed a bunch of quotes. Without a doubt they were from "back in the day" when Suite standards were lower.

Anyway, no lovey hearts for me, just a slap on the wrist. One I totally deserve, but still. I wish I could have gotten away with it. I'd have a WHOLE series. Hmmmmmm maybe I'll publish it on Examiner instead.....

On a bright note, my "early symptoms of swine flu" is on the 1st page of google results for "early symptoms of swine flu"

And on another bright note, I'm pretty sure I don't have it.

Anyway- don't be scared of her, she really really really is good in the long run, I never would have obsessed over my work so much without her. I think I'd be a "the least I have to do the better" and probably not made nearly as much money. I recommend everyone's first ten go through her rigorous workover, for sure.

Congrats again on the heart thing, Melanie.
post #1345 of 1428
I wrote at suite101 for five months and just stopped this week. I know that there are some people who earn a lot of money there, but I really fell that it is not worth while for most people. I think that the concept of 'evergreen articles' is just not one that is working in today's world of the Internet. I could not work out how my articles would ever earn enough to justify the effort in writing them. I guess the site exists by attracting loads of new writers who leave when they realize that it is not really worth it. I really could not hack that editors ignored e-mails for so long and that they are wildly inconsitent with the type of writing they want from writers. I even found that a particular editor was inconsitent from article to article. I also did not like the hints on the forum that suite101 would really get you earning if you just did it right.

I did not like that the site seemed to be rated as a blogging site by some search engines. I think that this indicates that they do not see suite101 as a quality site in its own right. This is a big contrast to the way the site is presented on the forums.

Once I had made the decision to stop writing at suite101, I was still not happy about leaving my articles up there. I felt that being associated with the site might reflect negatively on me in the future. I have written a few health articles and was shocked at some of the badly sourced stuff coming up next to them. I was also unhappy earning money off some of the ads appearing next to them. I started by removing all of my photos to reduce the search engine ranking of the articles. I also removed the bold headings and joined up all of the text into one paragraph.

If anybody else is in the same position, I discovered that you can remove 10% of the words in each article each time you save it. This is true even if the word count goes a long way below 400 words. I got some down to 20 words. During the process of removing the photos and formatting and shortening the articles, my revenue kept shooting up. I suspect that the style that suite101 pushes, may not be the best way to earn revenue.

I then discovered that you can replace as many words as you like. You can even replace all of the text. I then replaced all of the text with nonsense strings of words. My articles were all deleted within 12 hours. I was really pleased with that.

Well, I just wanted to let people hear a different tone about suite101. I feel that it is not a good source of money for most people. Even if you are not successful there, I feel that it does not mean that you cannot write or that you cannot write for the internet. Suite101 may be a good way for some people to learn to write for the Internet or to set up a third-person-voice blog, but I think most people would be better using their time in a different way if they are looking to earn money or build a reputation.
post #1346 of 1428
mamadaan, I'm sory your experience wasn't better at Suite, but I do think you could have handled leaving with more professionalism. Having badly-formatted articles appear or articles containing nonsense strings of text reflects badly on Suite, which impacts the earnings and credibility of those writers who did stick with it and ended up earning a decent wage. Couldn't you have explained your decision to the editors and asked them to disable your articles instead of essentially vandalising them? I'd hate to think someone saw your butchered articles and then didn't read one of mine because she thought "Oh, it's a Suite article".

At five months, I wasn't earning a lot either; but I think the experiences of the women on this thread demonstrate that earning a lot of money on Suite is indeed possible! Like you I'm occasionally frustrated by the quality of articles other writers post on Suite, but I'm not sure there's much I can do about it and the good articles definitely outnumber the bad. I also think the general quality of articles is higher than some other major content sites.
post #1347 of 1428

I saw no other way to get my articles removed

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mamadaan, I'm sory your experience wasn't better at Suite, but I do think you could have handled leaving with more professionalism.
I would have been happy to do it another way if it had been possible. I would have been happy for them to remove my name from the articles and to keep using the words, but that option was not available.

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At five months, I wasn't earning a lot either; but I think the experiences of the women on this thread demonstrate that earning a lot of money on Suite is indeed possible!
It all depends on what you think is a lot of money. It may be possible for SOME people, but not for most people. I think that is something that people considering investing a lot of time in articles for the site need to know. There are a few 'success' stories, but for most people, it is not a good way to earn money. It may be a good way for some people to learn to write for the Internet.

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Like you I'm occasionally frustrated by the quality of articles other writers post on Suite, but I'm not sure there's much I can do about it
Well, I decided that I did not want to have my name associated with the site anymore, mostly because I felt that a lot of articles going up were not based on a good understanding of the facts.
post #1348 of 1428
Hey all! It's been a while, been busy as all heck and trying to catch up. Starting to crank out my winter related pieces.

Mamadaan - Sorry to read of your disappointment with S101. I would say after 2 years of writing there, I have heard the complaints you mentioned a few times. I agree- S101 is not for every writer. However, I wouldn't say that "most" people won't be successful at S101 - financially or as advancement professionally. I have heard signigicantly more success stories than complaints. I have had many print and web editors speak quite highly of Suite as compared to other e-zines.

At any rate, best of luck to you, and I hope you don't face any legal ramifications for violating your writing contract.

Lisa - congrats on your success on the swine flu piece and that you seem healthy.
post #1349 of 1428
Wow- I'm sorry you had a bad experience there. I'm also not happy with the steps you took to get rid of your work, although you did reach your goal, you were resourceful and got what you wanted, even though the site could have suffered in the meantime. I do think that perhaps they should develop a preventative system for dealing with issues like that. When you registered, you agreed that your work would be there forever, if you weren't happy with the other content it might have been better to decide beforehand.

My experience with editors has been positive, but I know that not everyone has had a good experience.

An opportunity is what you make of it, I hope you find success in whatever other ventures you pursue. Thank you for sharing your story. It really bums me out when I see people not making money at Suite because I really do. Today is the 12th and I'm already over $200. Not bad for 4 hours a month commitment.
post #1350 of 1428
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Originally Posted by lisarussell View Post
Today is the 12th and I'm already over $200. Not bad for 4 hours a month commitment.
Wow, Lisa, you've really streamlined your process. I need to cut down the time I take to churn out my articles. I spend a lot of time doing research before I even begin writing and then it usually takes me a couple of hours to write an article. The money is good this month, though, (not quite as good as your figure) thanks to those Halloween articles. I've got to get cracking on something else, though, or my revenue will take a sudden nose-dive soon.

Mamadaan, sorry you didn't have a good experience. I didn't go in there planning to further my writing career (although reading the S101 forums it sounds like it has worked for some people). I just wanted to make some $$ while staying at home. It's definitely working for that. I've got 8 articles total (joined at the end of August) and have over $150 in revenue. I think that's pretty decent and am happy with it.
post #1351 of 1428
beanma- your numbers are great. I spend about an hour on each article- image searching and uploading is torturous for me.

Research once, write 20 times.

I think you might already be doing this (remembering everyone's Suite101 names and MDC names is so confusing), you have a cluster of articles all themed around 1 set of keywords, and interlinked, so that you don't have to research each article, you research each cluster.

THEN.... you write your Suite101 articles,then a few eHow articles (same keywords, same topic, different title and content) then a few Xomblurbs, then a blog post- a squidoo or hubpage lens, an ezinearticle if you're into that, an infobarrel (wherever else you write)

Creating all those "extras" helps drive up your search ranking because they're ALL linking back to your Suite101 article, making google think it's an authority piece.

This isn't necessary, but it really helps bring up your article's ranking, translates to more search engine traffic and THOSE are the visitors that click on ads.

So yeah- every Suite article still takes me an hour or so
post #1352 of 1428
So, er, I just found this article:

http://academicwriting.suite101.com/...says_for_a_fee

Doesn't it seem like Suite shouldn't be hosting that kind of thing? The tone of the article is very much presenting it as a viable (although difficult) career option. Dodgy much? Next up, How to Be a Successful Freelance Hitman.
post #1353 of 1428
I just realized that last week, a new editor took over Health & Wellness. I just posted three articles in the section, the first since she took over, I have several more I want to write but I think I might wait to see if anything gets flagged.

Not that I am expecting any flags as the articles meet house style, have been proofread, etc but I'd feel silly getting a bunch of articles flagged at once hehe.
post #1354 of 1428
mamadaan, thanks for sharing your experience. It's unfortunate you felt a need to end it in that way. One note about revenue going up as you edited the pages... Google gives a little juice to new and changed content, so Google likely indexed the piece as you made an edit and bumped it up for a bit in the rankings. (Lesson here for the rest of us: Small updates to articles that have been sitting for a while can really help! Probably a good process to engage in for seasonal pieces in particular.)

Lisa, such great advice about researching once and writing multiple times! I feel much happier with my time investment when I do that. I decided today that I'll try doing research on the weekend and laying out a content schedule for the week. If I do the outline complete with sub-titles, keywords and images in the article draft it will be easy work filling in the blanks as the week moves on. And perhaps I'll squeeze in some of those other ideas you mentioned to get traffic moving to my Suite pieces!

I also just got accepted as the Canada Homeschooling Examiner, so Lisa, you'll probably see a little more from me in your section as I try to get the most out of my research on that front!

beanma, your numbers are amazing!! My first piece went live Sept. 13, I have 12 articles up now, and my revenue is $21 and change. I thought that was great! But you're inspiring me to aim for much better.
post #1355 of 1428
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Originally Posted by Smokering View Post
So, er, I just found this article:

http://academicwriting.suite101.com/...says_for_a_fee

Doesn't it seem like Suite shouldn't be hosting that kind of thing? The tone of the article is very much presenting it as a viable (although difficult) career option. Dodgy much? Next up, How to Be a Successful Freelance Hitman.
Since it was just published today, perhaps the editor will try to polish it up a bit. I thought that it was OK- analytical enough at most parts to not sound like an endorsement, but the last line about "might be a job for you" (or something like that) was cheesy

Melanie- congrats on the homeschooling Examiner. I really neglected mine for a long time, I'm trying to get back into it, I just keep forgetting.

I will cross my fingers re: new editor & flags. Let us know how that turns out. I haven't put anything in that section, I think my Yoga Abs article was just before she came
post #1356 of 1428
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Originally Posted by KoalaMama View Post
beanma, your numbers are amazing!! My first piece went live Sept. 13, I have 12 articles up now, and my revenue is $21 and change. I thought that was great! But you're inspiring me to aim for much better.
Well, I just picked a good topic this time around. I don't know that I'll be able to be that successful again. There's a lot of buzz around Where The Wild Things Are and since it's right before Halloween it seemed logical that people would be interested in costumes and since they aren't widely available the articles are really getting some hits. It was sort of a perfect storm. I doubt I'll be able to replicate that anytime soon. It's kinda like a perfect half-court shot!
post #1357 of 1428
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Originally Posted by Smokering View Post
So, er, I just found this article:

http://academicwriting.suite101.com/...says_for_a_fee

Doesn't it seem like Suite shouldn't be hosting that kind of thing? The tone of the article is very much presenting it as a viable (although difficult) career option. Dodgy much? Next up, How to Be a Successful Freelance Hitman.
Yeah, I didn't think it too bad in writing, though I don't think it's written well for the web at all. But that's a different topic. And that's one incredibly long opening sentence! Looks like she's a new writer though. She's still pretty low-down on the learning curve, I'd guess. I can remember my pieces back then. Yeesh, they weren't the best.
post #1358 of 1428
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Originally Posted by beanma View Post
Well, I just picked a good topic this time around. I don't know that I'll be able to be that successful again. There's a lot of buzz around Where The Wild Things Are and since it's right before Halloween it seemed logical that people would be interested in costumes and since they aren't widely available the articles are really getting some hits. It was sort of a perfect storm. I doubt I'll be able to replicate that anytime soon. It's kinda like a perfect half-court shot!
I wonder if the thing about these articles is not only that they bring in hits, but that they encourage clicks on the ads. It seems that readers looking to buy are more likely to be click-happy, and that the ads should be more relevant for them. Also, I suppose this might a a high CPC topic right now, which is great! Yes, a perfect storm! I'll have to try to remember all these ingredients for next Halloween. (Though I am happy with my Halloween article getting 700+ PVs a day, and my revenue yesterday was over $2, which was very exciting to see!)

I guess this goes to the point of the Suite101 contest about tying stories into the news, which of course, is brilliant. My travel writing professor used to tell us the same thing... He said if you link the story with something happening in the news, for example a travel article on Drumheller and the Badlands the week before the launch of the new Jurassic Park movie, the piece becomes a hot topic and is more likely to be chosen by the editor. So in this sense, writing for print and writing for the web really isn't so different! Good thing to remember.
post #1359 of 1428
About the new editor for health and wellness... I'll be interested to see if this changes anything about the types of articles posted in that section. There seems to be a lot of ongoing drama on the Suite forums about content found in H&W. Some of it makes sense, such as wanting to see more sources cited, but a lot of it seems to be about people taking issue with the validity of natural healing methods.
post #1360 of 1428
I'm gonna do an article for H&W next. Hope to have it up today, so we'll see what kind of reception I get from the new editor. I think it'll be okay, though, since I do have studies to cite.

Koala, 700PV a day is awesome! My next best articles (to the Wild Things ones) usually only flirt with breaking 100PV. Lots of times they're about 50PV, but sometimes they bump over a hundred. I just don't have anything else that comes close to those Wild Things articles. I have several that are in the single digits most days.
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