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post #1 of 36
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I thought I'd see what the MDC community had to say on this, I'm wondering if anyone else has been in a similar situation, looking for some ideas and reassurance too probably.

DD is 4. She is shy and takes a long time to warm up to people and new concepts - she is also strong willed. Which means if she doesn't want to do something, its very hard to get her to do it. This summer is the first summer we've really had access to a pool. We had a pool in our complex when she was 1&2 years old, but it was in Seattle and since I had a baby too, so going without DH didn't work well and seattle tends to be chilly, we didn't go that much. Last year, when she was 3, we went to a big pool maybe once or twice, otherwise we just did baby pools in our backyard.

So she has never had swim lessons. We joined a swim club this summer and I signed her up for the swim lessons, lowest level. The problem is that the lessons are mostly beyond putting your face in the water. They want the kids to jump into the pool, bob, blow bubbles. DD will do none of this. I went into the pool with her for the first 4 lessons. I tried leaving her alone for one (was just out of eyesight with DS at the baby pool), she didn't cry or get horribly upset, but she spent most of that lesson with her head in her hands refusing to look at the instructor (this is what she does when someone she doesn't know talks to her). I figured she just needed more time to get used to the whole idea, that we'd keep going to the pool, I'd do the same techniques the instructors were doing with her, figuring by the end of the summer she'd be willing to do more. I also got her goggles, which she wore a couple times, but didn't seem to make much difference.

Well, summer's pretty much over - the pool closes next weekend. She still doesn't do anything more than jumping from the steps or wall to me if I am holding her hands. The one time she got her face wet (accidentally) she did fine - didn't take in any water, held her breath, but went screaming for a towel. The problem as I see it is that until she is willing to put her face in the water, she is at a standstill for learning to swim. I'm concerned that I let her go too long without swim lessons, if she had learned younger she would be more willing and that she's influencing her brother who also will not get his face wet and runs for a towel - I think because he sees her do it and figures there must be something to fear from it.

We joined a family fitness center that has a pool. I plan to keep taking her swimming all winter. They also offer swim lessons - $120 for 10 30 minute sessions. I've seen the lessons in action, the setup is a little different from the lessons she had at the outdoor pool - first off she can't stand in the indoor pool - the water is too deep. They have the kids wear bubble things on their backs and use these things that look like barbells, but with foam on the ends. The problem is, I'd have to drop her off and leave, I don't think they let parents stay, and that means that if she doesn't like it, I could have a huge fight on my hands every week. She does fine being dropped off places, she goes to the daycare in the gym without an eyelash blinked, goes to montessori school, etc. She is just the type that when she doesn't want to do something, she will not do it and she will let the whole building know that she doesn't want to do it to boot.

Okay, I'm writing a book. I'm just wondering - has anyone else had a child reluctant to put their face in the water? How did you help them? Any advice - should I just keep sending her to swim lessons?
post #2 of 36
Step one in learning how to swim is just getting comfortable in the water. The fact that she'll jump from the steps or wall to you while you hold her hands is great- it means she's getting comfortable in the water!

DS had swim lessons for the first time this summer. He's 5 3/4. By the end of the lessons (4 weeks) he was bobbing and putting his face in the water. At the beginning he was not. One of the other kids in the class (newly 5) was much slower to warm up. His mom was in the water with him for most of the lessons. I'm not sure if he was comfortable getting his face wet at the end of the session or not- they signed up for 2 more weeks of lessons than we did.

Your child is only 4- give her time! It sounds like the "level 1" at your pool is equivilent to "level 2" at our pool. And the minimum age is 5 for swim lessons here.

Next summer, sign her up for level 1 again. She'll do a lot of maturing in the next 10 months.
post #3 of 36
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Your child is only 4- give her time! It sounds like the "level 1" at your pool is equivilent to "level 2" at our pool. And the minimum age is 5 for swim lessons here.
Actually all the four year olds are in level 2, which is where they wanted to put her and I put her in level 1 - this is the level for 2 & 3 year olds. And all the other kids were doing all the stuff in the lessons other than my kids. Mine were the only ones who wouldn't put their faces in the water and DS at 2 is willing to do more than DD at 4.
post #4 of 36
I'd just skip lessons and do family swim a couple times a week. DS HATED lessons, never trusted the instructors etc so he quit. He said he just wanted to swim on his own and with me. So we started going weekly during the day time and before long he was swimming on his own and really loving it. He's very comfortable now and loves jumping in, going under water etc.. Another friend of mine had the same experience with her son. Some kids just aren't lesson kids and do better on their own with someone they love and trust.

There seems to be such a rush to get kids to do everything earlier now. I grew up spending my summers on a lake and was in the water with my parents from birth on, as were my friends. None of us started lessons until we were 6 or 7 and three of us advanced quickly enough through them that by 14 we were done and had to wait two years to take our life guarding certification. From birth - 6/7 we were just having fun in the water and getting comfortable and taking risks (putting head under water, jumping in etc) as we felt ready (or by accident, lol) so when we started lessons we had the basics down and wanted to learn to really swim. Your daughter doesn't need an instructor to teach her to play in the water, she already knows how to do that. I'd just let her explore it with you on her time and let her know when she wants to learn more she can head off to lessons.
post #5 of 36
I wouldn't push it AT ALL.

Not one bit.

Go with her (not lessons) and play games, have fun, relax about it. When she warms up she'll be fine.

I taught swimming lessons for YEARS and, honestly, it just doesn't matter that your 4 year old isn't a good swimmer. Or even won't put her face in the water. I would be more concerned with her getting truly scared, or seriously adamant about not putting her face in the water.

You can always do songs like Ring Around The Rosie or Motorboat, Motorboat to encourage her.

Some kids decide to get their faces under when they get those sinking diving toys so they have to reach for it.

I really just wouldn't worry! DD started swimming lessons at 4.75 and it was so scarry for her she stopped immediately. A year later she was totally read and less than three years after that she was asked to be on swim team. Looking at her and her friends now (7-9 year olds) you really can't tell who would swim around at 3 and who didn't really start until 6.5.
post #6 of 36
Yes. My son has sensory issues so getting his face and head wet was a HUGE deal. If he even got water splashed in his eyes he'd scream and cry and freak out.

I decided that I really could care less if he ever puts his face in the water, I just wanted him to be comfortable in the water and have fun. So last year we bought floaties and let him swim and play around with the confidence that his face would be above water.

As he got comfortable, he started branching out. By the end of the season last year he was jumping off the wall to us, but we had to be sure to catch him and hold his head out of the water.

This year we've been going to the pool on a regular basis and he decided on his own he was ready to jump in by himself. He just recently started swimming all around without his floaties and will happily put his face underwater!

All it took was time and letting him get comfortable on his own. You certainly can't force (or wouldn't want to force) a child to get their face wet or jump in when they are not willing. So my advise is to just let your dd play and go at her own pace. You may be suprised at what she eventually does on her own.
post #7 of 36
DS is five next month. Last year (so just before 4), he repeated level 1 two times, fussing on and off the whole time but with a great, patient instructor who recognized that they'd just work together on making DS more comfortable. By fussing, I mean being obstinate, occasionally crying, refusing. When DS refused, he was allowed to opt out of that part.

This year, just before 5, and we'd lost any ground we'd gained last year, he completed level 1, and almost completed level 2. He went from feeling that getting the tip of his chin and the tips of the hair at the back of his head was "getting his head wet" to body surfing at the wave pool. The only elements he didn't complete this go round, and he would have in 2 more lessons I'm sure, is comfort jumping in independently and back floating for the full 3 seconds. This year, it was a new instructor who was perfect for DS. The right balance of reassuring and firm (DS is head strong, lol). She'd say to him "It will be okay...go ahead...yes! see, I told you it would be okay!" He loves being in the pool now.

If this year's instructor hadn't been a good fit with DS, I would have taken him out of swimming. Based on the amount of lessons I've now observed (daily lessons for a month, two kids), there is a wide range of kids' comfort and skill in the water. I personally think it's far more important that they're comfortable in the water than that they're "skilled." I think the panic of water aversion is worse in the long run, and that early lessons should emphasize comfort and fun.

DS has sensory issues, and water is a biggie, along with things touching his head/face. I have noticed that he made huge shifts at 4.5 and I see one happening now. If a child isn't ready now, they might just be in 3 or 6 or 12 months. The lessons the two sites you discuss offer seem intense to me. And $120 seems steep!
post #8 of 36
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Just so everyone understands, I was not at all considering pushing her to do anything, I want to help her move past this, not push her to do it. So I'm looking for advice on how to best do that, to help her be comfortable with it. I don't need to be convinced not to push her, trust me, I've already let her drop out of one set of swim lessons, I'm not pushing her.

And I'm not concerned about whether she has amazing swimming technique, but most of her time around water is consumed with making absolutely sure she does not get her face wet and it does get in the way of her enjoying herself, so I want to help her move past that.

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I would be more concerned with her getting truly scared, or seriously adamant about not putting her face in the water.
I don't understand, because this is my daughter, she is adamant about not putting her face in the water.

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Yes. My son has sensory issues so getting his face and head wet was a HUGE deal. If he even got water splashed in his eyes he'd scream and cry and freak out.
This is exactly like my DD.

ETA - the swim lessons she took were focused on those things, but the instructors (just high school lifeguards who have taken trianing) were very good in that they were very patient and not super pushy with DD, so I wouldn't say they felt 'intense' to her - she just didn't make any progress at all.
post #9 of 36
We did swim lessons this summer, and my son did not want to put his head/face in the water. The teachers were OK with it, and would encourage but not press too hard.

Then we got goggles, and it made all the difference in the world! He now willingly bobs himself under, and retrieves objects, and will go underwater to "wave" at someone else under water. (Not swimming yet, though!)

So, ditto to everything about not pressuring her, but goggles might help her get over the hump.
post #10 of 36
My son was exactly like that LAST summer (when he turned 4) ... he is now swimming, face in water...HOW? A full year of one on one private swimming lessons. I feel the investment is a good one.
post #11 of 36
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My son was exactly like that LAST summer (when he turned 4) ... he is now swimming, face in water...HOW? A full year of one on one private swimming lessons. I feel the investment is a good one.
Unfortunately, cost wise I don't think this will work for us, we are already stretching our budget to belong to the indoor pool (but its good for all of us and DH and I need a gym). I'm curious though - how often did you do the lessons?
post #12 of 36
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I really just wouldn't worry! DD started swimming lessons at 4.75 and it was so scarry for her she stopped immediately. A year later she was totally read and less than three years after that she was asked to be on swim team. Looking at her and her friends now (7-9 year olds) you really can't tell who would swim around at 3 and who didn't really start until 6.5.
Yeah, that. DD didn't complete lessons at 3, then she started again at 6. At 8, she and her peers all seem to be in level 4 or 5. We know lots of kids who got stuck at level three because there are lots of skills (strokes) and stamina required. DD's now a bit of a fish, her strokes are very good, and she just needs to work on stamina. I watched her at public swim last week along with 5 friends from school, and they were all around the same place.
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Just so everyone understands, I was not at all considering pushing her to do anything, I want to help her move past this, not push her to do it. So I'm looking for advice on how to best do that, to help her be comfortable with it. I don't need to be convinced not to push her, trust me, I've already let her drop out of one set of swim lessons, I'm not pushing her.

And I'm not concerned about whether she has amazing swimming technique, but most of her time around water is consumed with making absolutely sure she does not get her face wet and it does get in the way of her enjoying herself, so I want to help her move past that.
Ditto trying the goggles. DD insists on wearing them. DS won't and has just progressed without them (he hates the feeling of the goggles more than the water, I guess).

What about just doing family swims that her comfort grows at her own pace?
post #14 of 36
I would do as follows:

Make sure the pool is warm and use something like the Warm Belly Wetsuit www.warmbelly.com. Indoor pools can feel cold to children. You will have more fun if you can stay and play at the pool for 1+ hours than if you do all that pack up and travel just to have her start shivering in 20 minutes. Any pool with lap lanes will probably require a wetsuit. Some indoor pools we go to in the winter require full wetsuits, unfortunately. We're not swimming laps after all.

Get her some good fitting goggles and get her habituated to them. When she's comfortable swimming, she can decide when she wants to wear them. But they will encourage her to put her face in for now.

Find a friend with young swimmers and tag along with them. Children can be inspired by their friends.

Even if you don't think she's making progress, she is absorbing. My daughter is a cautious type and she's sometimes slow to try things but suddenly does them quite well almost from the first try.

Go at least once a week. Go several times a week if you can.

Lessons are good for stroke development in kids that need structure to work on something like that, but casual, fun swimming can develop naturally without instruction in the young.

It is a lot of work. For young kids to be good swimmers, it's a lifestyle. I know it's worth it when my 2 & 3 year olds are playing independently at the pool while I watch them, delighted that they are not squabbling or trashing our house.
post #15 of 36
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What kinds of swimming aids?

This is all great thanks. I will probably go with my initial plan of just bringing her to the pool every week then and not worry about the lessons for now. I don't think she'll have a problem with the pool temp, my kids are pudgier for lack of a better word and are rarely cold even on chilly days - the indoor pool is heated too. She has goggles, but after the initial interest, hasn't shown any interest in wearing them.

What do you think about various floats? It wasn't an issue this summer as the outdoor pool does not allow any toys or floats (I think for safety reasons, there are tons of kids and they don't want parents walking away from a nonswimmer because they have a floatie). But the indoor pool does not have a lifeguard, parents have to watch the kids, which is fine by me anyway, I am always in the pool with them, but they do allow floats and things. I'm wondering what kind is best? DD definitely feels most comfortable in a ring, which is what she used when we were at the lake this summer, but it doesn't really encourage her to swim swim, so I'm wary of using one in this case. They have kick boards and those dumbbell things, as well as noodles at the pool, they also sell those bubbles - they strap around the waist and have a balloon like thing on the back to help the kids float.

I'm just wondering what would be best? This indoor pool is over her head (4 feet) so she will only be able to stay on the steps without any flotation. Thinking about it now, I'm thinking I might make DS wear his life jacket when we go just the three of us. What kinds of flotation did your kids learn best with?
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What kinds of flotation did your kids learn best with?
Well, I would say none that strap on. They will inhibit actual swimming. Let them use noodles and kickboards and things they hold on to.
post #17 of 36
mightymoo, thanks for asking about this. I've learned a lot just lurking.

I've had the same concern as you: that I waited too long to get DD in lessons. She went to daddy & me water lessons when she was one, and did great! I took her out in the dead of winter, and by the time she went back at two, she started having panic attacks and it was horrible. We pulled her out after two sessions of screaming. Now she won't even consider swimming lessons, and she's 5 1/4. I kind of wish I'd kept her in the baby lessons straight through, because she honestly LOVES the water - she just hates the lessons.

Just the past couple weeks, DD's become willing to put her face in the water. Why? Because a mom she knows from playgroup encouraged her to. Who knew? Unfortunately our pool is closing next weekend. I decided to sign us all up at a rec center in a neighboring town with a really nice indoor pool. That way, we can all swim all winter, and she can keep building on her progress instead of starting over at square one next summer.

Reading all these responses makes me feel better my DD's not the only one who's not a "lesson kid."
post #18 of 36
My mom took me to swim lesson when I was a kid. She took me out though. I hated to go underwater to get the locks off the bottom. The pressure was just to hard on me. I also couldn't float they way they wanted.

I spent everyday as a kid playing at the river. I swam well enough to keep my head above water. And no I didn't wear a life jacket.

Never became a good swimmer till I was a senior in hs. I had a PE teacher who was very observant thankfully and saw I couldn't float nor could I handle water pressure. So she taught me one swim that would work well and had a private teacher just for me who taught me to work with my problems. Needless to say I blossomed under such care and got an A.

All of that so say some people cant swim the same as most people and they need specialized care.
post #19 of 36
My 7yo still won't put his face in the water and cries at the thought of swimming lessons (though he's happy to splash in the pool).

We don't push it, don't make him take lessons. We figure when he's ready to learn, he will. And it's not like we live on a houseboat and he needs to know how to swim.
post #20 of 36
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What kind of swim aids?
My 2.5 yo used her floaty suit and a ring. Then after awhile she ditched her ring and just uses the floaty suit.

The floating suit does not hold her upright so she has to work to stay upright.

She swims all over our pool with that thing on. She even jumps with it on
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