Allergies to natural, whole foods - Page 2

[newcastlemama]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Two things related to this which I've been reading about recently is K2 (the X Factor) and vitamin C ... a true deficiency (aka not RDA levels which are not even close) in either will effect our bodies' ability to detox oxalates and amines and salicylates.

Interesting.....

[HerbanGirl]

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*thumbing through my spring issue of Wise Traditions for that article about Vitamin K2...*

[savithny]

As far as the chemicals in foods question goes....

Plants don't *want* to be eaten (from a species survival sense). And so they have defenses against being eaten - chemical compounds that they produce in their leaves or stalks or fruit to make them less palatable to browsers.

Most of these compounds are things that repel species that frequently browse that type of plant. Many of them actually cause the flavors we humans *look* for in plants, because we tend to use those plants as *part* of a diet, not the whole thing (basil, for instance).

Some of these compounds, eaten frequently enough or in large enough quantities, can make people react in various ways. Mangos, cashews, and pistachios are related, for instance, and have a compound in the skin of their fruit which is closely related to the oil that makes poison ivy cause dermatitis.

It's perfectly natural that plants have these defenses to keep animals (including us) from over-eating their fruit and preventing new plants from growing....

[spartz]

Some plants want to be eaten. I'm thinking of mistletoe I think, doesn't it need to pass through the digestive system of the bird for it to germinate? The bird gets the berry and the seed gets deposited in a glob of nutritious bird poo on a branch. Also, I remember seeing a tv show that explained how some plants by allowing themselves to be eaten have become incredibly successful. For example, from a species point of view, rice, wheat and corn have done very well for themselves.

However, your point about some plants not wanting to be eaten and containing chemicals to discourage browsing is quite correct, just not all encompassing. Nature just has too many weird and wonderful ways of playing the evolution game.

[Pinky Tuscadero]

The berry is the fruit, not the plant itself. Fruit wants to be eaten but when you eat the plant you often kill it or at least injure it by removing leaves, stems, roots, etc.

[zzwhitejd]

What a wonderful topic of conversation... it really is all encompassing and related to so many different things. I really believe everything plays a part in who we are and how we react to what....

[Chinese Pistache]

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[ChristieB]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Two things related to this which I've been reading about recently is K2 (the X Factor) and vitamin C ... a true deficiency (aka not RDA levels which are not even close) in either will effect our bodies' ability to detox oxalates and amines and salicylates.

I think it's all about finding the correct (mega) dose over a long enough time to solve your accumulated deficiencies.

I got rid of hay fever after switching to a traditional diet and though this discussion I just remembered my oral allergies to fruits (cherries, apples) disappeared too!

Thank you so much for this bit of info! : We're adding K2 to ds's long list of supplements (he already gets about 4+ grams of C/day). Any idea about how much? This is getting so frustrating! Everytime we think we've made headway, he proves us wrong. We may be getting somewhere now, but I'm not counting on it (but soooo hoping). It gets so confusing, and then throw diabetes into the mix, and it's just : .

[desertpenguin]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Two things related to this which I've been reading about recently is K2 (the X Factor) and vitamin C ... a true deficiency (aka not RDA levels which are not even close) in either will effect our bodies' ability to detox oxalates and amines and salicylates.

where does one get K2? butter oil?

[wagamama]

Originally Posted by savithny

Some of these compounds, eaten frequently enough or in large enough quantities, can make people react in various ways. Mangos, cashews, and pistachios are related, for instance, and have a compound in the skin of their fruit which is closely related to the oil that makes poison ivy cause dermatitis.

It's perfectly natural that plants have these defenses to keep animals (including us) from over-eating their fruit and preventing new plants from growing....

As I was reading this thread, I was going to add that a lot of people in Nigeria (where we've been living for the past year) are allergic to mango and peanuts, and most Nigerians have a much more natural diet than we do. Also, I knew a Kenyan woman from a small village, who grew up on local foods and was unvaccinated, who was highly allergic to eggs. She told me that in Kenya, they don't give eggs to children until they can talk in sentences. So it does seem that allergies are partly a natural phenomenon.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by desertpenguin

where does one get K2? butter oil?

Yes, butter oil by Green Pastures or Radiant Life. Grassfed dairy (esp cheese as fermentation increases K2) and organ meats and seafood/fish eggs too.

ChristieB,

See the Yahoo Group "Vitamin K" for a protocol, or read more about "The X Factor" at www.westonaprice.org. I've seen therapeutic doses for butter oil range from 1/2 tsp./day combined with high vitamin cod liver oil or 1/4 tsp. each 3x day.... but Price also use larger amounts on children with serious bone and teeth issues.

Apparently K2 can throw off some oxalate/salicylates and cause detox symptoms as well too so the Yahoo group says to go slow.

[WC_hapamama]

Originally Posted by wagamama

As I was reading this thread, I was going to add that a lot of people in Nigeria (where we've been living for the past year) are allergic to mango and peanuts, and most Nigerians have a much more natural diet than we do. Also, I knew a Kenyan woman from a small village, who grew up on local foods and was unvaccinated, who was highly allergic to eggs. She told me that in Kenya, they don't give eggs to children until they can talk in sentences. So it does seem that allergies are partly a natural phenomenon.

I was just lurking (I have an interest in food allergies)... my husband's family has a history of allergies in 4 generations... 2 of which were not vaccinated as children (grandparents and parents) and were children in an era before GMO's were widely in the food chain.

I don't think we can lay the blame for food allergies solely on the modern diet or vaccination.

[Panserbjorne]

I don't think anyone would. But the modern diet and vaccinations (amongst other things) are exacerbating our decline in health and we are seeing far more allergies than we ever did before.

[tracykg]

I never thought I had food allergies until I read this thread. "Oral allergy" is a term I've never heard of before. Whenever I eat pineapple, my mouth gets very, very sore, almost raw. Similar feeling when I eat more than a handful of english walnuts (never noticed it with black walnuts). I also get an "itchy" outer mouth when I eat kiwi. I still eat these foods, but in small quantities, because they don't agree with me. I thought it was all because of the acid content of the foods, now I'm not so sure. Interesting thread.

[melissa17s]

Originally Posted by tracykg

I never thought I had food allergies until I read this thread. "Oral allergy" is a term I've never heard of before. Whenever I eat pineapple, my mouth gets very, very sore, almost raw. Similar feeling when I eat more than a handful of english walnuts (never noticed it with black walnuts). I also get an "itchy" outer mouth when I eat kiwi. I still eat these foods, but in small quantities, because they don't agree with me. I thought it was all because of the acid content of the foods, now I'm not so sure. Interesting thread.

Some pineapples can be very acidic and give a sensation like cutting the tongue in half, and I do not think this is an allergic reaction. Instead I think it has to do with the ripeness of the fruit, and is a common reaction in all people... That does not mean that you do not have an allegeric reaction, though. I have had cutting tongue sensation when visiting my inlaws (they live on a tropical island where pineapples are local), and everyone there had experienced it and knew what I was talking about.