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post #41 of 59
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post #42 of 59
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Originally Posted by boodafli View Post
meanwhile, i have no inner monologue. everything i think comes triptrapping outta my mouth. or, onto the keyboard.

which is why i'm on the MOST WANTED list here.
You, too? I try to keep mine bottled up. It's so dang hard not to offend anyone, though...
post #43 of 59
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The article and segment noted how the same comic strip did a thing on Jerry Fawell (sp?) and no one got up in arms about it.
I hardly think making fun of Jerry Falwell, who has spewed some of the most hateful, unchristian rubbish I've ever heard, constitutes "open season on Christianity." I have no doubt that Jesus would have laughed at that cartoon.
post #44 of 59
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Originally Posted by EFmom View Post
I hardly think making fun of Jerry Falwell, who has spewed some of the most hateful, unchristian rubbish I've ever heard, constitutes "open season on Christianity." I have no doubt that Jesus would have laughed at that cartoon.
No kidding.
Or is the previous poster claiming that Falwell does a good job of representing Christianity now? I know many many Christians who'd beg to differ.
post #45 of 59
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Originally Posted by peekyboo View Post
...but not another?

This has been on my mind all day...but this morning on the Today Show, Matt Lauer was talking about a "controversial" Opus cartoon strip that was pulled by many papers b/c it was offensive to Muslims. The line that struck me was when Matt Lauer said "Is it open season on Christians, while Islam is off limits?"

I actually responded outloud with "Well yea!" LOL!
As a Muslim, I certainly can't get behind the idea that we are "off limits." I get nasty looks and even comments from strangers on a frightfully regular basis, when I'm out with my toddler and sometimes with my DH. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of blogs and websites and dozens of radio shows that do nothing but harp on the Islamic threat to Western Civilization. I'm not talking about an anti-terrorist message, I'm talking about a straight-up anti-Islam message. And hearing and seeing this message again and again fuels the behavior of the people who are hostile toward me and those like me.

I'm a former Catholic so I understand the frustration there as well. I remember being told by Protestant classmates that I was not Christian, that we Catholics worshipped Mary, that our practices were weird, unfunny jokes about priests and little boys. And I have to say that the anti-Islam bias in the media and among regular people is many many times worse.

That said, I thought the comic strip was sort of funny. I've met quite a few religion surfers in my day and it reminded me of them. Although I think he drew the veil in a weird and inaccurate way. At any rate, they shouldn't have pulled the strip IMO. That's just playing into the notion that Muslims as a group are unstable and irrational and just love a good riot. While we see some of that in some areas of the world (although I think it's been overblown by the media) I don't believe it would happen in the U.S.
post #46 of 59
I think its ok to make fun off all religious beliefs. If you dont want to be made fun of dont beleave in crazy notions. I'll let you beleave whatever you want but I have a right to joke about it. If you want to beleave you have invisable friends and foes be my guest just dont try to convence others or kill any one in there honor.
post #47 of 59
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Originally Posted by MissAnnThrope View Post
I don't hear Christians being bashed It always seems to be the other way around.
I heard that exact sentiment ALL THE TIME at the UU church that I attended - then five minutes later I'd hear the same person Christian bashing. It even came from the YRUU (youth group) from the pulpit when they did their service - it was the most hateful, anti-Christian things I'd heard in a long time. Now, they're kids, BUT you wouldn't believe the hearty applause they got from the adults. This was coming from a group that prides themselves on being tolerant. I quit going to that church - being tolerant means being tolerant to ALL GROUPS not just the ones you like.
post #48 of 59
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Originally Posted by bellymama View Post
i think that christianity has done so much damage to so many other relgious, spiritual and cultural beliefs that they can take a few jokes in their direction...

So it's OK for *me* to feel attacked because someone, somewhere, who shares the same religious label as I but basically nothing else, has done wrong in the name of religion? I'm not buying that.
post #49 of 59
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Originally Posted by warriorprincess View Post
So it's OK for *me* to feel attacked because someone, somewhere, who shares the same religious label as I but basically nothing else, has done wrong in the name of religion? I'm not buying that.
it was a joke...
look, i am part native american. i just don't feel sympathetic to your feeling attacked by a joke. my ancestors were ACTUALLY attacked...physically and culturally, by christians and catholics (which i was raised as), amongts others...so i will make a joke on christianity anytime i feel like, and not feel bad about it. i am not saying YOU did anything...so don't let yourself feel attacked.
post #50 of 59
I am admittedly a really wacky Christian but am I the only one who doesn't take much of the Christian bashing all that personally? I mean if it's really juvenile or mean I or but alot of the anger I really understand. Growing up lesbian in a bible belt area f'ed me right up, man, and I feel a lot of the same rage even though I still love Jesus and know he wouldn't endorse the stuff that was done in his name. And a lot of the critical "Christian patriarchy bla bla" stuff I kind of agree with.

What upsets me more are:

1. Attacks on Jesus, especially nasty or graphic ones. He did nothing to deserve that crap and I really feel like if someone is making that kind of attack it's juvenile and immature and I have trouble taking that person seriously. Plus it makes me sad because it's like--ok arrest me for sounding hokey but it's like "well, but he still loves you and he forgives you even though that was a really cruel thing to say about anyone." :\

2. In general graphic or violent attacks, it's just immature crap.

3. Misogynist crap about Mary. Pick on someone who actually did something bad, in a way that is coherent and mature. Not potshots at a woman in 1st century Judea, especially potshots that make a joke out of rape. You know the ones I mean. :
post #51 of 59
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Originally Posted by wannabe View Post
It's always open season on all religions for me.

And that goes double if someone gets all precious about it.
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post #52 of 59
I'm not a Lauer fan but it's very true. you can spit on, burn, swear at ANYTHING Christian but anything muslim is off limits..
It doesn't make sense.
"Banned by PBS" on Fox was great. It showed many Muslim folks against the extremist idea but PBS didn't want to deal with the issue
It's true. Extremists can openly burn our flag, show images of "hanging Jesus, our leaders, etc." but look what happened when the Dutch paper ran a cartoon that was against Islam.. good grief. Jihad was exclaimed.
We keep seeing signs being held up by hoards of extremists saying behead anyone that says bad about Islam..
wow? the xtremists can bash Judaism & procliam to wipe all Jews of the Earth but no one can say anything about them.
I don't get it..

Yes, Dogma is 1 of my fav movies & I was a cradle Catholic. It's great & smart & weirdly makes sense.
Hey, eveyone in Europe STOMPED on my people for 1000 yrs. The Polish were always someone's servants, slaves - literally in some reigns & even for YEARS after we got to the states to escape the oppression of socialist/communist/nazi rule, eveyone here HATED us. All my family got the crappiest jobs for the lowest pay. We dies young, had NO medical help or welfare or housing or anything.
My Slovak side G-pa lost an eye in the still mill. The Co didn't pay his medical bills or did he get sick time. He had to get back to work ASAP or get fired. He lost his hearing & got no compensation.
We got no educational breaks. the Eastern Euro immigrants were open called dirty, stupic baby-making bo-hunks. In PA, the "original immigrants" still refer to us a hunkies or dumb "llocks". I actually has some old man say, "You're lucky your cute & married a Scottish man" WTF ? then proceded to ask me it I was still making babies?
this was at a hardware store when I asked for some home repair stuff !!


I guess that's why I LOVE Carlos Mencia - he jokes on EVERYONE !:

i'm still called a dumb pollock by many : & I'm blonde & stacked so I must be a nimwit, right...: really, to this day, it happens

Feliz Navidad - peace.
post #53 of 59
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Originally Posted by polka123 View Post
Extremists can openly burn our flag, show images of "hanging Jesus, our leaders, etc." but look what happened when the Dutch paper ran a cartoon that was against Islam.. good grief. Jihad was exclaimed.
Bolding mine.

Is there some sort of Christian sovereign nation I'm not aware of? Whose flag are you referring to? What does a handful of religious extremists making a display of burning the US flag have to do with Christianity?

By the way, there are extremists among every religion, including Christians.
post #54 of 59
Because making fun of the majority never goes out of style.
post #55 of 59
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Originally Posted by warriorprincess View Post
So it's OK for *me* to feel attacked because someone, somewhere, who shares the same religious label as I but basically nothing else, has done wrong in the name of religion? I'm not buying that.
It's more like, beliefs aside (as anyone on their own can celebrate their own faith, you don't need church to do that), you have willfully joined an organization, and support them with money, and some of us have animosity towards that organization.
post #56 of 59
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Originally Posted by MamaWindmill View Post
Bolding mine.

Is there some sort of Christian sovereign nation I'm not aware of? Whose flag are you referring to? What does a handful of religious extremists making a display of burning the US flag have to do with Christianity?

By the way, there are extremists among every religion, including Christians.
THANK YOU.
Since when is the US flag a Christian flag? I know some would like it to be, but it ain't.
post #57 of 59
I think you're question has a lot of answers, but for me personally, my first thought was because so many of us have grown up catholic. So many of us know that religion and it's various beliefs.

I don't make fun of people who are catholic, I don't make fun of Jesus because whether or not I believe he was God's son, he did live and he did die a horrid violent death.

I don't make fun of Mary because; well out of all my teachings she was the only one that made me feel good and gave me hope.

But sometimes (never in public and never in front of children) DH or close friends and I will exchange jokes (We were all raised in the same church). I do it because it helps me process the whole horrible experience I had as a forced member of the catholic faith.

Is it right? No probably not but either was the way I was treated and what I was taught.

The end result of what I'm trying to say is I think some people feel more comfortable making fun of the Catholic faith because they've been there, done that.

I would not make fun of other faiths because I have not experienced or had to live with their teachings.

I don't think I'm explaining myself well, I'm just trying to be honest about one of the reasons I think I find myself making snide comments or jokes about the Catholic faith with my other "Recovering catholic friends."

gulp off I go to hit submit reply and await my own personal BBQ.
post #58 of 59
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Originally Posted by peekyboo View Post
...but not another?

This has been on my mind all day...but this morning on the Today Show, Matt Lauer was talking about a "controversial" Opus cartoon strip that was pulled by many papers b/c it was offensive to Muslims. The line that struck me was when Matt Lauer said "Is it open season on Christians, while Islam is off limits?"

I actually responded outloud with "Well yea!" LOL!


Here's a link to a blog with links to the video clip and the cartoon itself.

But I've been thinking about this all day - I'm Catholic and lord knows I have been insulted, stereotyped, looked down upon, etc by people who are supposed to be open-minded, enlightened, and even friends. My faith is constantly insulted by the media and Hollywood. Though at least I get ALL the jokes in "Dogma"

I'm not so much wanting to debate religious beliefs. I'm just really more curious as to why one religious belief is off the table when it comes to these things whereas another is fair game.
I got all the jokes in Dogma, too. Foul language, but funny.

Among not a few in the MSM (main stream media), it's hands-off when it comes to Islam. But Christianity is the target of lots of offensive stuff. The Jews, too, pretty often. But, oh no, heaven forbid the Muslims get offended.: No, I'm not dissing Islam, but it certainly seems the MSM go out of their way to avoid offending Muslims.

A favorite blog of mine is www.getreligion.org. They write about the MSM's take on religion. I find it fascinating stuff.

I'm an Orthodox Christian. The only reason I don't get harrassed is because many people simply don't know a thing about Orthodoxy.
post #59 of 59
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Originally Posted by Tradd View Post
I'm an Orthodox Christian. The only reason I don't get harrassed is because many people simply don't know a thing about Orthodoxy.
Yeah, me too

Of course, I hear plenty of criticisms of 'Christianity' from people who don't realize that 99.9% of the time their references are aimed at Mainline Evangelical Protestantism and (surprise!) not all Christians fit that description
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