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Brown spot on toddler's tooth UPDATE post #11

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I'm so upset about this! I just discovered a brown spot on my toddler's tooth. It looks pretty bad to me. It's indented, so I don't think it's something that will scrape away. I had an appointment on Wednesday with a pediatric dentist.

Please tell me this will be okay! Have I ruined his teeth? Will I have to night/nap wean? I feel sick to my stomach about all of this.

DS is 18 months old.
post #2 of 15
No, you will not have to wean, although your dentist may not be up to date on the facts and may suggest it. Here's one link: http://www.brianpalmerdds.com/bfeed_caries.htm Also check out Kellymom.com

Best of luck!
post #3 of 15
Don't be so hard on yourself. I felt the same way when I found a spot on my son's front tooth at the same age. I felt like a total failure. We took him to a great pediatric dentist who said that it was indeed a small cavity, but that we would just monitor it every six months. We are hoping to be able to scrape most of it off and just fill it with an epoxy of sorts instead of doing a full filling, hopefully next appointment if he will sit still long enough.
The dentist just really stressed brushing well every night at the minimum and didn't say anything about fluoride and didn't tell me that I should night wean, which I really appreciated. I am still nursing ds during the day and night, btw, and there have been no additional spots.
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Don't be so hard on yourself. I felt the same way when I found a spot on my son's front tooth at the same age. I felt like a total failure. We took him to a great pediatric dentist who said that it was indeed a small cavity, but that we would just monitor it every six months. We are hoping to be able to scrape most of it off and just fill it with an epoxy of sorts instead of doing a full filling, hopefully next appointment if he will sit still long enough.
The dentist just really stressed brushing well every night at the minimum and didn't say anything about fluoride and didn't tell me that I should night wean, which I really appreciated. I am still nursing ds during the day and night, btw, and there have been no additional spots.
Very interested in this...is he doing ART? And does the epoxy contain flouride? Thanks
post #5 of 15
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Very interested in this...is he doing ART? And does the epoxy contain flouride? Thanks
You know, I don't know the specifics yet. He just mentioned that there was a type of filling material that could be basically painted on the back of the tooth (I guess used in instances where drilling and filling are not necessary because the depth of the cavity is minimal and just more on the surface). I don't know if you were trying to be funny, but yes, dentistry is sometimes referred to an art, and epoxies are widely used in the dental industry. Perhaps I should have referred to it as a resin based matrix or veneer. From all of the information that I have read, fluoride is not used in any of these materials.

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6855197.html
Here is a small article that sort of explains how it is done.
post #6 of 15
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You know, I don't know the specifics yet. He just mentioned that there was a type of filling material that could be basically painted on the back of the tooth (I guess used in instances where drilling and filling are not necessary because the depth of the cavity is minimal and just more on the surface). I don't know if you were trying to be funny, but yes, dentistry is sometimes referred to an art, and epoxies are widely used in the dental industry. Perhaps I should have referred to it as a resin based matrix or veneer. From all of the information that I have read, fluoride is not used in any of these materials.

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6855197.html
Here is a small article that sort of explains how it is done.
Wow, really interesting, thanks! ART is Alternative Restorative Technique. This link has a section that explains it: http://www.jaybiber.com/PDF/Handouts%20-%20Part%202.pdf I like the idea but not the flouride. The technique your dentist recommended sounds interesting. Please let me know if you find out more and/or can recommend a dentist that does it. We just tried doing a conventional (white) filling but had to leave because we couldn't get the dam on without causing my daughter pain and because the dentist lied repeatedly re novocaine injection (said definitely no pain would be felt and it was).

Best of luck with your treatment plan!
post #7 of 15
oh my god. I just found a spot on Ezra's tooth today in front....and he's 17 months. I wanted to cry and didn't know how to work up the courage to ask about it. We don't have dental insurance. I feel like I've ruined his teeth too with our crappy diet etc. Thanks for being the brave one, and our kids are tooth twins!:
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by Nan'sMom View Post
Wow, really interesting, thanks! ART is Alternative Restorative Technique. This link has a section that explains it: http://www.jaybiber.com/PDF/Handouts%20-%20Part%202.pdf I like the idea but not the flouride. The technique your dentist recommended sounds interesting. Please let me know if you find out more and/or can recommend a dentist that does it. We just tried doing a conventional (white) filling but had to leave because we couldn't get the dam on without causing my daughter pain and because the dentist lied repeatedly re novocaine injection (said definitely no pain would be felt and it was).

Best of luck with your treatment plan!
I'm sorry, I thought you were referring to art art, not the acronym. Sorry Thanks for the link. I'm going to learn more about it at the next appointment. Ach, sorry to hear about your bad experience. Hearing that makes me want to be extra cautious with all of this.
post #9 of 15
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You are not the only one! I do feel embarassed about this, like it's my fault or something. We have dental insurance, but decided not to put him on the policy yet. : Our thought was that the dentist didn't recommend bringing him in until he was 2 or 3, so why pay for a year in which we wouldn't need it. Ummm, yeah, bad move. I'll update on Wednesday.

Thanks for the reassurance!

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oh my god. I just found a spot on Ezra's tooth today in front....and he's 17 months. I wanted to cry and didn't know how to work up the courage to ask about it. We don't have dental insurance. I feel like I've ruined his teeth too with our crappy diet etc. Thanks for being the brave one, and our kids are tooth twins!:
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by glorified_rice View Post
I'm sorry, I thought you were referring to art art, not the acronym. Sorry Thanks for the link. I'm going to learn more about it at the next appointment. Ach, sorry to hear about your bad experience. Hearing that makes me want to be extra cautious with all of this.
Thanks! And I should have been clearer!!! Ask if they use a rubber dam. This is a big deal...scary for kids and seems to hurt because of the clamp. Although I asked detailed questions the dentist did not inform me about the dam. Many dentists think the parents should be left in the dark as much as possible so they don't upset the children by explaining things and then they use a combo of jolly good humor and threatening voices to get children to comply, as they tend to be on a tight schedule. Ackkk! So frustrating. Your person sounds like maybe a good find though!
post #11 of 15
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I went to see the dentist and he said it was the beginnings of tooth decay, and it's actually the front four teeth. : He did feel that the benifits of filling them under GA didn't outweigh the risks at this point. We are supposed to go back in six months and re-evaluate.

For now I'm supposed to brush his teeth with non-fluoride toothpaste twice a day, and brush with water after he eats. At night I'm supposed to put a little flouride gel on a Q-Tip and wipe it on those four teeth.

He said that breastmilk was the best thing for my DS but it may or not be good for his teeth. He said there was controversary over that. He never suggested weaning and we didn't discuss nightweaning.

The hygenist said she breastfed her babies. She did ask how I knew when he was full, since he isn't a newborn which "you feed every two hours."

I do feel a lot better. My DS still hates having his teeth brushed but at this point there is no other option. I'm hoping he will eventually feel better about it.
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I went to see the dentist and he said it was the beginnings of tooth decay, and it's actually the front four teeth. : He did feel that the benifits of filling them under GA didn't outweigh the risks at this point. We are supposed to go back in six months and re-evaluate.

For now I'm supposed to brush his teeth with non-fluoride toothpaste twice a day, and brush with water after he eats. At night I'm supposed to put a little flouride gel on a Q-Tip and wipe it on those four teeth.

He said that breastmilk was the best thing for my DS but it may or not be good for his teeth. He said there was controversary over that. He never suggested weaning and we didn't discuss nightweaning.

The hygenist said she breastfed her babies. She did ask how I knew when he was full, since he isn't a newborn which "you feed every two hours."

I do feel a lot better. My DS still hates having his teeth brushed but at this point there is no other option. I'm hoping he will eventually feel better about it.
First off big 's to you mama!
Second I would try these teeth wipes you could even use these after night nursing and also a tooth brush like this that your son can "play" with so its fun to brush.
I know its hard, my son did not like brushing either. I would let him play int he bath tub with it and put it under the running water to drink it off the brush (he loved that) and sat him on the counter with me holding him at all times and let him play with water in the sink with the brush and watch me brush my teeth.

I am glad it sounds like you found a great dentist!!
post #13 of 15
We are going to the dentist today (2:40pm) for a similar issue. A slight brown spot with "texture" on her front tooth and white spotting on all the front teeth along the gums!: We brush every night and try at least once during the day but I guess thats not enough. I hope it turns out OK for her, she has to have these teeth for MANY more years.
post #14 of 15
I'm posting because I'm a little further along in this process. My ds had a noticable and sizable brown spot/indentation/cavity right smack on his front tooth, from very early on. We are good and regular brushers, but no fluoride, ever. We debated and debated about what to do, and in the end, the tooth was knocked out in a bike accident. It was horrifying to see , but no long term damage and the tooth is gone and we don't have to endure a filling! So now, a few months down the road, DS has his 5 y/o dental check up, and has no cavities at all, very strong teeth, and dentist says we must be doing a good job with his teeth! So, this is by way of saying, one noticable cavity in a tooth may not be the end of the world.
post #15 of 15
hmm .... we have this exact same brown spot ... in fact that was our first warning signal to go tothe dentist. unfortunately our story is not has happy as OPs, because dd indeed had cavities back in her molars as well. re-reading the above posts, i can remember the heart-sinking despair i went through - because though we have always ate very healthy food, we never considered the impact on her teeth to have that constant supply of food available ... I certainly wish I'd known about that funny looking toddler brush when dd was 2.

Also - our dentist did a funny thing after putting on the rubber dam. he showed dd in the mirror. i wasnt sure this was wise, but actually she smiled when she saw it. [QUOTE]Ask if they use a rubber dam. This is a big deal...scary for kids and seems to hurt because of the clamp.[QUOTE]So much depends on demeanor of the dentist .... I am sorry, Nan's mom, that your dentist had a less respectful approach. When they put the clamp dd was saying "ow" and the hygienist said very sweetly, "it's okay to say ow" which seemed to calm dd too, i.e. her "ow's" became more of a release than an expression of panic. And faded away.

Back to the OP: thanks for sharing and glad things went well for you, though sorry about the accident!
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