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Aborted Fetal Cells-do people not know or not care?

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I know very staunch Christians that fully vaccinate thier children. I'm sure this is more common than not. Do these individuals not know what is in the vaccinations? or are they 'compromising'? I know that diploid cells from the aborted fetus are the cheapest line to use and I think there is a push to use the cells in more of the vaccines. Anyone else heard of this? I believe that the cells are used in Ruebella and Varicella, not sure about any others. Links are appreciated.
post #2 of 132
I think most people don't know...but it has been my experience that once they find out, they don't care. Maybe they don't really believe it's true, so they figure if they don't search to find out, it won't be.
post #3 of 132
They don't know. And if you try to educate the hard care believers (in health care) they deny it. I actually had one person tell me that it was against texas law for vaccines to use fetal cells there. : so of course, in her eyes, my information was wrong.
post #4 of 132
Being as these cell lines are over 40 years old, maybe they don't care anymore. It is not like many fetuses were aborted or they continue to be or anything like that. We are talking about a few cell lines from the 1960s. I realize it is a big deal to some but it is not a big deal to all, even some christians.

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/vacc...tail.cfv?id=32

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Two different strains of human diploid cell cultures made from fetuses have been used extensively for vaccine production for decades. One was developed in the United States in 1961 (called WI-38) and the other in the United Kingdom in 1966 (called MRC-5).

WI-38 came from lung cells from a female fetus of 3-months gestation and MRC-5 was developed from lung cells from a 14-week-old male fetus. Both fetuses were intentionally aborted, but neither was aborted for the purpose of obtaining diploid cells. (6-8). The fetal tissues that eventually became WI-38 and the MRC-5 cell cultures were removed from fetuses that were dead. The cellular biologists who made the cell cultures did not induce the abortions.

These two cell strains have been growing under laboratory conditions for more than 35 years. The cells are merely the biological system in which the viruses are grown. These cell strains do not and cannot form a complete organism and do not constitute a potential human being. The cells reproduce themselves, so there is no need to abort additional fetuses to sustain the culture supply. Viruses are collected from the diploid cell cultures and then processed further to produce the vaccine itself.
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Originally Posted by yellowpansy View Post
Being as these cell lines are over 40 years old, maybe they don't care anymore. It is not like many fetuses were aborted or they continue to be or anything like that. We are talking about a few cell lines from the 1960s. I realize it is a big deal to some but it is not a big deal to all, even some christians.

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/vacc...tail.cfv?id=32
For possibly the only time ever, I will : yellowpansy.

They don't care. They don't want to think about it. They say since it was so long ago it doesn't matter...

-Angela
post #6 of 132
I actually agree with YP on this one too.
Most don't know, but when they find out that these abortions were performed in the 60's, it just doesn't seem like a big deal.

If there was a need for "fresh fetuses" continuously or something, I think they'd care about that.
post #7 of 132
I think in addition to feeling really detached from it because it happened so long ago, they rationalize that "aborted" is a medical term that can also encompass "miscarriage" and that there is no way to know if the fetuses were aborted in the sense we think of the term or if they were miscarried.
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I think in addition to feeling really detached from it because it happened so long ago, they rationalize that "aborted" is a medical term that can also encompass "miscarriage" and that there is no way to know if the fetuses were aborted in the sense we think of the term or if they were miscarried.
Actually they WERE specifically aborted to make the vaccines. Along with a bunch of healthy ones too.... from moms exposed to rubella.

-Angela
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Actually they WERE specifically aborted to make the vaccines. Along with a bunch of healthy ones too.... from moms exposed to rubella.

-Angela
where is your source for that info?
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Originally Posted by yellowpansy View Post
where is your source for that info?
read up on it awhile back in the history of how they were made... I didn't keep a link though- sorry! I bet if you start a thread someone will be through with a link.

-Angela
post #11 of 132
A few churches have supported this creating sort of mission statements with 'a little bit of bad abortion can be tolerated for greater good' idea and this put a few of other minds to peace.
But yes, most don't know, don't understand and don't especially want to go there.
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
read up on it awhile back in the history of how they were made... I didn't keep a link though- sorry! I bet if you start a thread someone will be through with a link.

-Angela
i remember reading that too. here's the site:
http://cogforlife.org/
click on "a moral and historical perspective." its in there.

and i agree, most dont know there are aborted fetal cells in there. if dd's old pediatrician didnt believe me that there were aborted fetal cells in varicella and other vaccines, i dont see how non-medical people would believe it (or even think to question if they were in there to begin with).
post #13 of 132
i think it's that most people don't know, and they don't WANT to know. but they SHOULD, if they're going to get up on their self righteous high horse pulpits about abortion and stem cell research.

it's utterly hypocritical.
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Originally Posted by yellowpansy View Post
Being as these cell lines are over 40 years old, maybe they don't care anymore. It is not like many fetuses were aborted or they continue to be or anything like that. We are talking about a few cell lines from the 1960s. I realize it is a big deal to some but it is not a big deal to all, even some christians.

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/vacc...tail.cfv?id=32
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I always find it interesting that conviction has a time limit when it comes to this specifically.
post #15 of 132
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i remember reading that too. here's the site:
http://cogforlife.org/
click on "a moral and historical perspective." its in there.
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in the case of vaccines, tissues were taken following abortions performed for unrelated reasons.
They then go on to try to refute this claim by citing all sorts of misinformation. Like the cells in Great Britain were in the 1970s when in fact they are from the 1960s. And, this is a very biased site. They are going to try really hard to make this claim. I would trust a scientific website over a religious one. Is there a less biased source?
post #16 of 132
With rubella...the virus strain (RA-27) came from babies who were aborted because it was feared they would have CRS. It was the 27th fetus that ended up having rubella.

The cell culture (what virus strain RA-27 is grown in) is WI-38, though, which is a baby who was aborted because of "psychiatric reasons".
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Originally Posted by yellowpansy View Post
from that link:



They then go on to try to refute this claim by citing all sorts of misinformation. Like the cells in Great Britain were in the 1970s when in fact they are from the 1960s. And, this is a very biased site. They are going to try really hard to make this claim. I would trust a scientific website over a religious one. Is there a less biased source?
The Appeal in the Cogforlife site, is pretty well documented and footnoted from non-religious sources. I'm referring specifically to the first section that discusses "The Abortions".
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With rubella...the virus strain (RA-27) came from babies who were aborted because it was feared they would have CRS. It was the 27th fetus that ended up having rubella.

The cell culture (what virus strain RA-27 is grown in) is WI-38, though, which is a baby who was aborted because of "psychiatric reasons".
And both are used in MMR, - RA-27\3 virus grown in WI-38 cell lines, which may add to the confusion since people don't realise there are products of two different abortions not one.
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Originally Posted by Spy View Post
And both are used in MMR, - RA-27\3 virus grown in WI-38 cell lines, which may add to the confusion since people don't realise there are products of two different abortions not one.
And the MMRV (proquad) used a third...MCR-5 cell line to grow chickenpox.
post #20 of 132
This is the main reason DH and I decided not to vax our kids. We have lots of other reasons too - this was just the biggest.

I asked my ped about it, and he denied that there were human diploid cells in the vaccinations. I told him that it's included in the list of ingredients and is as plain as day, but he seriously thought I was nuts for believing it.
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