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Okay I expected Adam to be the one to have killed Kaito... did not expect HRG to be revived like that... didn't look like he expected it either.

Okay yes I TOTALLY loved how HRG handled Elle with Mr. Muggles' bathtub. That was awesome. I don't like Elle at all. Her whole Sex Kitten act is nauseating. I thought it was pretty funny the way Bob rolled his eyes at her comment about wanting to keep Mohinder.

I've not been impressed with Mohinder's choices lately. He is naive and foolish. :
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I'm new to the show and just finished watching all of last season on Netflix. I was really impressed with last season but this season has some big problems with racism and sexism. Here is a quote from someone who has set up a website to address some of issues with this season...

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I know many of you are fans of the show Heroes. I also know that many of you are just as frustrated as I am about some of the show’s less desirable elements, such as the way they treat many of the characters of color. To that end, I created Save Heroes. To wit:

…if we, the fans, are going to hang in there for the long haul, continue watching Volume 2, and go on to watch Volume 3, then we need to know that Heroes‘ problems are going to be addressed. Because it’s not about just getting rid of troubling characters and ditching inconvenient plots, it’s about understanding why those characters were troubling and why those plots made the audience twitch. And beyond that, Mr. Kring needs to understand how issues of race and gender play into both aspects.

All of these issues have been explored, sometimes at length, in blogs and on message boards in fandom. But is Tim Kring seeing all of that? Probably not. Does he care what the fans think? Of course. Is he capable of change and growth? Obviously. Therefore we, as fans, have to find a way to make our voices heard.

We need to write a detailed critique of the plot, character, race and gender elements of Heroes. We need to have one place where the producers and writers of Heroes can come and find what fandom has to say on these issues.

That’s the purpose of this website. We don’t need to Save Heroes from cancellation or network misuse, we need to Save Heroes from itself. Because it’s not a lost cause. It’s still capable of being the amazing show it was in season one. No, it’s capable of being even better.

How can you help Save Heroes? Easy. Just give your opinion on the Plot and Characters or Race and Gender issues in the show. We’re inviting all fans to contribute to a collaborative document in which we provide constructive, respectful criticism of the current season. Whether you offer your original thoughts or point to existing posts on the Internet, all ideas are welcome. Once we have enough contributions to create a coherent document, we’ll put it together in total and digitally sign it.

I would love it if some of the folks who’ve been making insightful comments here would go contribute.
What do you think of their claims that the show, while having a good representation of minorities tends to put those folks in less prominent, less important, and most of all stereotypical plot lines. What about how all the women characters are either so powerful that they are out of control of their powers and need to be reigned in by a man, or wishy-washy, led and controlled by the male characters? Where are the powerful, strong, confident women?

And what is up with the whole thing with Clair being so controlled by her father than moving on to a relationship with a very controlling stocker type guy who coheres her into doing things she thinks is wrong, IE the cheerleader prank, and doesn't listen to her at all, IE just showing up at the house after she told him not to?
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What do you think of their claims that the show, while having a good representation of minorities tends to put those folks in less prominent, less important, and most of all stereotypical plot lines. What about how all the women characters are either so powerful that they are out of control of their powers and need to be reigned in by a man, or wishy-washy, led and controlled by the male characters? Where are the powerful, strong, confident women?
To be completely honest, I think ppl put too much thought into it. It's pretend. I realize that art imitates life and vice versa, but I watch it to relax at the end of the day, not pick apart perceived "-isms."

ETA: I was tired and kind of cranky when I wrote this. I hope it doesn't come across mean, though. IT wasn't intended that way.
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What do you think of their claims that the show, while having a good representation of minorities tends to put those folks in less prominent, less important, and most of all stereotypical plot lines. What about how all the women characters are either so powerful that they are out of control of their powers and need to be reigned in by a man, or wishy-washy, led and controlled by the male characters? Where are the powerful, strong, confident women?
Mrs Petrelli comes immediately to mind as a strong, confident woman. And we have yet to meet the mystery woman in the photo. She could be key in these next couple of episodes.

As for the other women they are relatively young (Claire) or just coming to terms with their new-found abilities. Claire's relationship with the stalker-boy is explained by what is going on with her family, esp her dad. It seems more complicated than making it into a gender issue. She's rebelling. Niki is weak, but they've explained that by how some of the heroes personalities fracture when they discover their powers as a coping mechanism for what is happening to them.

I think one of the weakest characters is Peter Petrelli. He's dumb and goes along with whoever is influencing him the most at the time. Matt Parkman is pathetic at times, too.

Hiro is front and center almost every week representing a minority. Last season DL played a significant role.

I don't think there's much to that claim. I'd need to hear some better examples than Claire. She's a teen and that explains a lot.
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Mrs Petrelli comes immediately to mind as a strong, confident woman. And we have yet to meet the mystery woman in the photo. She could be key in these next couple of episodes.

As for the other women they are relatively young (Claire) or just coming to terms with their new-found abilities. Claire's relationship with the stalker-boy is explained by what is going on with her family, esp her dad. It seems more complicated than making it into a gender issue. She's rebelling. Niki is weak, but they've explained that by how some of the heroes personalities fracture when they discover their powers as a coping mechanism for what is happening to them.

I think one of the weakest characters is Peter Petrelli. He's dumb and goes along with whoever is influencing him the most at the time. Matt Parkman is pathetic at times, too.

Hiro is front and center almost every week representing a minority. Last season DL played a significant role.

I don't think there's much to that claim. I'd need to hear some better examples than Claire. She's a teen and that explains a lot.
: it seems to me like they're just looking too hard...
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Originally Posted by aprildawn View Post
Mrs Petrelli comes immediately to mind as a strong, confident woman. And we have yet to meet the mystery woman in the photo. She could be key in these next couple of episodes.

As for the other women they are relatively young (Claire) or just coming to terms with their new-found abilities. Claire's relationship with the stalker-boy is explained by what is going on with her family, esp her dad. It seems more complicated than making it into a gender issue. She's rebelling. Niki is weak, but they've explained that by how some of the heroes personalities fracture when they discover their powers as a coping mechanism for what is happening to them.

I think one of the weakest characters is Peter Petrelli. He's dumb and goes along with whoever is influencing him the most at the time. Matt Parkman is pathetic at times, too.

Hiro is front and center almost every week representing a minority. Last season DL played a significant role.

I don't think there's much to that claim. I'd need to hear some better examples than Claire. She's a teen and that explains a lot.

I definately agree with all of this.....but I also have to disclose that I am a white woman.....so I don't think I am the best to comment on the issue with minorities. I will say though that I don't find any of the characters more important than the others....I think the idea is to have an "ensamble cast" (I don't think I spelled that right at all!! ).....which I actually think they have done very well (even though it might annoy me that there are so many story lines right now )

As a woman, I don't find the female characters to be "wishy washey" or "reigned in by men". The twins story line, I think that having the man help the woman is more based on a twin helping a twin, and they just happen to be boy girl twins, the story could work either way. With Claire, I think it is deifnatley teenager issues, and think about it, she has been defying her dad this whole season......she also worked to help Peter last season, and in doing so went against her grammy Petrelli, who herself, as already stated is one of the strongest characters in the show. As far as Nikki/Jessica, I think it was hard to understand her last season, and now this season, I don't see her as much being reigned in by men, as I see her trying to do what any mother would do, which is trying to help yourself so that you can provide a stable, positive environment for your son.....which wouldn't include you running off to kick some a$$ or get stuck in mirrors at random times when your son needs you.

And, even if you do see the women as being wishey washey and/or reigned in by men, there seem to me to be an equal number of men that are wishey washey and/or being reigned in by women! Think Peter, DL, Nathan last season, Mohinder, Matt, and others

In the end I think it is more that these folks, women and men alike, are in a very unusual situation and are acting accordingly.
post #527 of 607
Ok - a few thoughts as I watched it.

The other women that Mama Petreli identified. I think she is Claire's maternal grandmother. IE - her mother's mother.

I was frustrated at how easily, quickly and very we-only-have-40-min-so-lets-clear-this-up Hero came to realize his father had to die when he did. Just seemed lazy.

Ditto to West going from hating HRG guts to not only can I stand you now, but I'll help you and chat about cars! BTW, wth was up w/ HRG asking him about what kind of car he drives? Think it will come up later?
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BTW, wth was up w/ HRG asking him about what kind of car he drives? Think it will come up later?
Maybe because he's going to sell him a Nissan Rogue.
post #529 of 607
LOL - I totally thought it was going to be some Nissan product placement

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Maybe because he's going to sell him a Nissan Rogue.
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Ok this not knowing who is supposed to be good and who is supposed to be evil is driving me nuts! I know that it is supposed to be that way, that the true intentions are pretty much left up to the viewer to determine but my brain seriously hurts right now!

I just want to be able to say "ok he's good" and "ok he's bad":
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Ok this not knowing who is supposed to be good and who is supposed to be evil is driving me nuts! I know that it is supposed to be that way, that the true intentions are pretty much left up to the viewer to determine but my brain seriously hurts right now!

I just want to be able to say "ok he's good" and "ok he's bad":
I just said this to dh! No matter how much is revealed... I'm STILL on the fence!
post #533 of 607
season finale? Seriously? Whats that about? It just said next week would be the season finale. DIdnt the season just start? I am so confused :
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season finale? Seriously? Whats that about? It just said next week would be the season finale. DIdnt the season just start? I am so confused :
It's probably because of the writer's strike, they only taped so many episodes before the strike happened and since it doesn't look like the strike is going to end anytime soon they can't make more episodes and they have to end it now.
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It's probably because of the writer's strike, they only taped so many episodes before the strike happened and since it doesn't look like the strike is going to end anytime soon they can't make more episodes and they have to end it now.


We'll be headed toward rerun city for most shows except reality shows within the next few weeks.
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It is the fall finale which they were planning before the strike. Like last year, they were splitting the season into 2 or 3 chunks.
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It is the fall finale which they were planning before the strike. Like last year, they were splitting the season into 2 or 3 chunks.

Thats what I keep telling dh, he keeps thinking the show is over! Crazy guy!! : I was thinking this is the end of the chapter started at the beginning of this season (can't remember if it is 2 or 3) and then they will start a new chapter in say late Jan or something, like last year.


We were so bummed about last night, our DVR keeps fu**ing up and shutting off. So, we got to watch 5 min here 10 min there, between the thing shutting down. Man, did Dish get an earful from me after the show was over

So, dh and I are kinda lost....we're planning on watching the whole thing online tonight.....but I did have to come be cheesy this morning and tell you all that we're 2 towns over from Searsmont Maine, where Victoria was living : does that make us special or what

Dh and I about fell outta our seats when they showed her location! Its such an obscure pick.....but I imagine would be a great place to hide!!
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A couple days ago we reported that NBC was delaying (read: canceling) the Heroes spin-off Heroes: Origins, likely due to the upcoming Writes Guild Strike.
Now that the WGA have officially announced that a strike will begin this Monday, we have more bad news for fans of the superhero television series. TV Guide is reporting that the second season of Heroes may be end much sooner than expected. Apparently, sources claim that the show is shooting an alternative ending which could serve as the season finale on the December 3rd episode. Originally the episode was to serve as the conclusion of the current “Generations” story arc.
http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/11/03/...season-finale/
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If you’re a Heroes fan, you already know that the ongoing Hollywood Writer’s Strike (now in its fourth week) has practically crippled the Heroes Season 2, with the expected 24 episodes having been cut down to a meager 11, with tonight’s “Truth and Consequences” being the penultimate episode, and next week’s “Powerless” (episode 11) conceived as the Season 2 finale as a result. Now comes news that the strike may be at an end — the operative word there, obviously, is MAY.
http://www.heroestheseries.com/


Basically it will be the end of the chapter and the finale for this chapter. However it wasn't supposed to be. Through creative writing and shooting they were able to get through the last couple of weeks without the writers because they used that weird backwards in time plot filler. Without that, they would have ended weeks earlier.

They are planning on bringing it back, hopefully for more chapters. With the writers strike looking to be ending soon it looks hopeful for Heroes that they'll be able to keep continuity in their show. If the strike goes on for longer, they believe they have left the show off in a good place to serve as the final Finale if need be.
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I'm not against the writers' strike but it has sure left it's mark on Heroes. This "season" has just felt so choppy and awkward to me. I don't think most of the questions they have left us with have been solely due to The Thrill of Suspense as much as The Lack of Good Writing. In other words, my questions have been more than the cool-wow : variety.
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but I did have to come be cheesy this morning and tell you all that we're 2 towns over from Searsmont Maine, where Victoria was living : does that make us special or what

Dh and I about fell outta our seats when they showed her location! Its such an obscure pick.....but I imagine would be a great place to hide!!

Way cool!!

Maine is beautiful. I'm from CT but currently live in San Antonio, TX -- I miss the Autumn in New England. So beautiful.
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