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post #21 of 111
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Originally Posted by TovahNeryse View Post
Coming from a family described in my previous post....

9 times out of 10 pot IS laced with something else!

Could you please share with us where you got this figure?


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Unless you are growing it yourself then you CANNOT be sure that it is 100% safe? Like I said before....
Why take the chance?
This is a good point, so you acknowledge that if a woman knows that it was grown without pesticides or laced with anything else, then it's about as safe as any other prescription drug out there (and possibly even safer)?
post #22 of 111
For what it's worth, I know that I read somewhere that the occassional use of marijuana while nursing is less detrimental to babies than the occassional alcoholic beverage. I think it was in What's Going on in There?, but I borrowed the book from the library and can't look it up to be sure. The bigger problem is the CPS issue, since marijuana stays in the system for a long time and would show up if your lo was tested for any reason. And, as pp's have mentioned, there isn't a lot of research on this topic so it's tough to be sure.
post #23 of 111
What would be the purpose of soaking MJ in household chemicals or adding paint chips to it?
Any experienced user would recognize that something was wrong with it right away. Paint chips are visible, you can smell chemicals. Not to mention you would DEFINITELY taste them. As for adding other drugs, that it also uncommon and very recognizable. And I don't see what the point would be for the dealer to give you extra drugs for free. In high school I had a friend who bought MJ laced with Meth, but she paid EXTRA for it because the meth was seen as an added bonus...2 drugs in 1!

Anyway, here in Portland (oregon) we don't really have that problem. I can't speak for the rest of the country. In this area there are so many people who grow their own that almost everyone knows a grower these days. And if you trust your grower or grow your own then you really don't have to worry about it being laced.

On a side note, it sounds like your DH was involved with a VERY strange group of people if they were soaking MJ in chemicals. Sounds like there was some other drug use going on as well to motivate a person to do something so reckless and Bizarre.
post #24 of 111
I'm going to have to agree. IF the mj is laced, it will be noticeable and cost extra. It is random unresearched statements such as 7 out of 10 "whatevers" that give actual facts a bad rep. Some people just (not pointing fingers at all) will just beleive what you tell them. Unless you have found a study (which, as we all know, can be skewed to any answer you desire - think global warming not existing) that makes such a claim, you shouldn't just throw numbers out of the air. IMO. I understand that some people have very addictive personalities and can use drugs as a crutch and excuse for bad behavior. HOwever, smoking pot from time to time is not going to give your baby permanent brain damage for goodness sakes. If that was the case, just about anyone conceived during the '60s and '70s would have permanent developmental issues. Not saying that some don't, but really!

Plus, the FDA released a study back around 2000 that stated point blank that Marijuanna is NOT a gateway drug. So please don't use this as an excuse or reason.

OP - please don't be scared away by all the debate. Maybe you would like to check out this thread over in Talk Amongst Ourselves, which is very amusing!

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=745061

Welcome to MDC! Don't worry, we like you! To put this in perspective, some of the mommas here don't even use soap on their nipples cause they think it can harm the baby. (Not burning, just qualifying the response & passion.)
post #25 of 111
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Originally Posted by TovahNeryse View Post

Mamabear - Like I said above ^ I only know from what I've experienced with friends and family. I'm not talking pesticides and stuff, I'm talking paint chips, soaked in household chemicals and laced with other drugs. But even if it's 100% it's still illegal.
I understand.

It sounds like some drug dealers are scummy and do awful things with the drugs they sell because they know the consumer can't complain if they end up being poisoned by them.

All the more reason to get marijuana legalized. Legalization = more consumer protection.

So, getting back to the original question... A lactating woman smokes pot in a (hypothetical) world where it's legal and therefore regulated... The pot is 100% marijuana, in the same way a pill for Prozac is 100% Prozac...

The question in this hypothetical case is still a valid one: Is it harmful? Is it safe? How much harm, if any, would it do? Is it as safe as drinking a glass of wine, for example? Is it as harmful as smoking a tobacco cigarette?

All good questions, and it's SO hard to find a straight answer because so much propaganda is devoted to villifying marijuana use. I guess maybe the OP just wanted to know if anyone out here has smoked, has used pot and would care to share personal experiences, both good and bad...?

Just throwing that thought out there...
post #26 of 111
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Originally Posted by hklinefelter22 View Post
It's almost as maddening as the people who say that having a beer is making your baby drunk. There isn't a direct line from my mouth to my boobs! What do you think we did before water was safe to drink? We drank wine, beer, and mead. And humans still turned out okay!
I know that my mom was told to drink beer when she was nursing me to boost milk supply. She drank it, nursed me, I burped, and she smelled beer on my breath.

She loves to tell that as a funny story, but as a nursing mom her story cautions me to consume only healthy things while I am nursing.
post #27 of 111
Mamabear
If/when pot is legalized thorough studies can be done and then we will know for sure what the effect is. I also agree that if it regulated and people can be sure that there is nothing added to it that there may not be any harm in it. What I am saying is that until the effects are actually studied thoroughly it's awefully chancy, same as any unstudied drug (legal or not). Any legal medicinal drug usually has multiple studies so that we know the posible effects of it and can make a more informed decision.
post #28 of 111
I'll pipe in w/ my conspiracy theory...

I'm sure all the proper studies exist. They just don't say what the gov't wants them to say, so we don't get to see them. now who's paranoid?
post #29 of 111
Wow.

First I removed the personal attacks.

Then I had to remove the personal attacks responding to the personal attacks.

Then I removed the posts that referred to other threads and forums negatively.

I'm torn between not opening this thread until I PM everyone, but honestly, I don't know if I am going to get to it tonight, so I'm going to go ahead and open it against my better judgment.

But really, if there's anymore attacking/snark/general nastiness, that's probably it for this thread, especially since it's already considerably shorter than it was before.

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post #30 of 111
Poop. I forgot to actually open it. Sorry! :
post #31 of 111
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Originally Posted by wagaboodles View Post
I know that my mom was told to drink beer when she was nursing me to boost milk supply. She drank it, nursed me, I burped, and she smelled beer on my breath.

She loves to tell that as a funny story, but as a nursing mom her story cautions me to consume only healthy things while I am nursing.
I have never heard of this happening. Do you know how many beer she drank for this to happen?
post #32 of 111
I think it is perfectly safe, and in fact when my DD was young I called Motherrisk. They said the possible negative affects could be that if the mother is a chronic smoker, the child could be lethargic and nurse less, or could have delayed development.

That is it.

I think it is pretty easy to moderate your intake, and watch your child. If you see any of those signs, stop smoking. Apart from that, I think it is fine.
post #33 of 111
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Originally Posted by wagaboodles View Post

She loves to tell that as a funny story, but as a nursing mom her story cautions me to consume only healthy things while I am nursing.
I do not believe that. Things get exaggerated and even completely fabricated over a period of 30 years or so. Beer does not just enter the breastmilk as... beer. It gets metabolized, and a small amount of alcohol is present in the milk. But you're not going to find a baby with beer breath IRL. It just doesn't happen.
post #34 of 111
Even if marijuana was legal and there was a "real" study done to see what the effects in breastfeeding were, that would not be the definitive answer. It's not a black or white - good or bad - healthy or harmful thing. There is a lot of gray area and it can affect people differently. The truth is that we will probably never know the true effects of it (if there are any). How is some study going to FOR SURE tell us that a kid who's mom smoked pot while nursing is not as bright later in life, or is just as bright (or even brighter!) - there are way too many other things in the mix, parenting, genetics, etc., to be able to compartmentalize the pot's role.

In the OP's case, the only study I would trust is my own. I'm assuming you're an attentive mom, so you'd notice if your babe didn't seem right, right? Then just listen to that, whichever way it's leading you.

I have read that you shouldn't eat garlic while breastfeeding because it can be too strong for the baby. I have also heard that you SHOULD eat garlic while breastfeeding because it helps your child's palate to become more broad. Well, I ate a lot of raw garlic one time (that was the best garlic bread EVER!) and DS barfed the entire next day. So, no more raw garlic for me. I think pot can be viewed in a similar way - let your own experience guide you, not some study (on either side).

Also, I don't think that the fact that marajuana is illegal should matter at all. Cigarettes and alcohol are legal and that doesn't make them okay, IMO. The only reason I'd worry about it being illegal is for what pp's have said, you'd hate to give CS any reason to get themselves involved in your life. For me, the mere possibility of that would deter me from smoking pot at all. Just my opinion.
post #35 of 111
I smoked mj through 2 pregnancies and while nursing those babies I carried. There have been no detrimental effects as far as I can tell. It definitely didn't make them lethargic, both have been healthy and robust. If it made them dumber, then I'm scared to think of how smart they would've been without it. Just anecdotal, but I've never heard of any detrimental effects from moms that smoked while nursing either.
post #36 of 111
Just putting in my two cents. I grew up in BC where pot is like alcohol, you can find it everywhere and it's widely accepted. I don't know many people who would say it's safe while pregnant or nursing. I have two friends who used while pregnant, one had a baby with severe reflux and the other has developmental delays. I don't know if any of those things can be directly related to MJ but why take a chance? I think if you are nursing it's better to play it safe. Babies only nurse for a short time. I think (and again it's my opinion) if you want to smoke anything best to just wean baby if you really feel like you can't give it up while nursing.
post #37 of 111
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Originally Posted by Jacksmum8 View Post
Just putting in my two cents. I grew up in BC where pot is like alcohol, you can find it everywhere and it's widely accepted. I don't know many people who would say it's safe while pregnant or nursing. I have two friends who used while pregnant, one had a baby with severe reflux and the other has developmental delays. I don't know if any of those things can be directly related to MJ but why take a chance? I think if you are nursing it's better to play it safe. Babies only nurse for a short time. I think (and again it's my opinion) if you want to smoke anything best to just wean baby if you really feel like you can't give it up while nursing.
Would you give the same advice to women who are taking pharmaceuticals for depression, anxiety etc...if they "Really feel like they can't give it up while nursing"?
post #38 of 111
I'm leery of taking ANY drug while nursing, except alcohol in VERY small doses. I went on antibiotics for my mastitis a couple of weeks ago, and I swear it has messed up my son's stomach somehow. He's a lot fussier now.

Sorry to be O/T
post #39 of 111
I can't stop thinking about this thread - it poses so many interesting questions. Right now, my thought is, why can't you give up pot smoking for however long you're nursing so that you for sure aren't jeopardizing your DC's health? Isn't that part of accepting the "mother" job, not getting to do everything that you always did because now you have a baby to consider? I'm not trying to be sh*tty, just honest.
post #40 of 111
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Originally Posted by Jacksmum8 View Post
Just putting in my two cents. I grew up in BC where pot is like alcohol, you can find it everywhere and it's widely accepted. I don't know many people who would say it's safe while pregnant or nursing. I have two friends who used while pregnant, one had a baby with severe reflux and the other has developmental delays. I don't know if any of those things can be directly related to MJ but why take a chance? I think if you are nursing it's better to play it safe. Babies only nurse for a short time. I think (and again it's my opinion) if you want to smoke anything best to just wean baby if you really feel like you can't give it up while nursing.

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