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[Leilalu]

Originally Posted by Taedareth

Wow. Is this the first generation that has seen widespread gut troubles and massive food allergies in toddlers? I don't remember many kids having those problems when I was growing up, but now I know so many people whose little children have significant problems of this type.

I think it is just more noticeable now, and getting increasingly worse. I know my brother had food allergies as a child, but no-one recognized them as such.

[accountclosed3]

there's an article i read somewhere (was in here) about our homes being too clean, so the kids don't have enough to 'fight' from an immune system perspective, so the immune system 'pick's things to fight from what is around. and so, food it is.

[Taedareth]

Originally Posted by zoebird

there's an article i read somewhere (was in here) about our homes being too clean, so the kids don't have enough to 'fight' from an immune system perspective, so the immune system 'pick's things to fight from what is around. and so, food it is.

Wow, that's crazy. So glad I let my DS play in the dirt

Thanks everybody who answered my question about carb cravings. Great point about whole grains providing necessary nutrients; I actually just read something about that in one of the TF sidebars yesterday when I went to make a sourdough starter. I'm using buckwheat and oat flours (soaked in kefir but not sprouted, alas). So I've got a sourdough jar going and also a "natural yeast bread" that I have made with that yeast that gathers on top of ripened kefir. Dom calls it "flowers of kefir." I hope it turns out well. Smells tasty. It'll go great with my homemade butter and fermented blackberry preserves!

Welcome Sme! You can tell your DP that birth really isn't messy the way he thinks. I had a homebirth and there was really no mess at all. The most time-consuming part was filling and draining the birth tub, but the water wasn't nasty, it just became a little pink-tinted. We also put down a painter's drop cloth around the tub but I don't remember any blood getting on it. If you have chux pads on hand, you can just er, "chuck" them out instead of having to wash them.

[nicolena]

i thought i posted days ago--it got lost, i guess.

no, i looked at ddc early on, but then i forgot about it! better check it out!

ASD--autism spectrum disorder. with the accompanying gut disorder--which is how i figured out it was autism in the first place, tho i went through a lot of denial.

re gut issues: i think they're pretty new, with this severity. i have several theories, which involve babies produced in bodies (like mine) that ate no fat or synthetic fat, along with other fake foods. i know that vaccines contributed to my girls' issues, as did antibiotics. i was prescribed antibiotics like it was candy (and it tasted like it, huh?) when i was younger. i think it really has a cumulative effect, and there are several variations, which is why there is no one cure for autism, or one sure way to "heal the gut." i could go on, but i'll stop myself.

i take btw 2 and 3 tsp of hi vit clo a day; i prefer radiant life's to blue ice, tho i wish they'd put it in glass. i wonder if i should spread it out over the day, and sometimes i worry that i take too much, but i'm nursing two and preggers (not that there seems to be much in there). my arm spots disappeared right around when i got pregnant, so i take that as a sign that my vit a levels are finally adequate.

but i worry about being too nourished, or too nourished with certain vits (all i wanted was steak and bacon for a few weeks). i take vit c derived from whole foods, some of dr ron's liver or organ supreme, and sometimes calcium. i worry that i'm experimenting, but at least there's no hfcs, refined sugar, food dyes and bizarre things that i ate during my last pregnancy......

i know there was something else, but the girls want out of the tub.......

[nicolena]

I think it is just more noticeable now, and getting increasingly worse. I know my brother had food allergies as a child, but no-one recognized them as such.

yeah--when i was reading about ASD and food, i remembered a boy i used to babysit--he's 20 now. he would always freak out after dinner, which was usually box mac and cheese or pizza. right away i thought he was on the low end of the spectrum, and i remember they tested him and thought he might be schizophrenic. fast forward to two weeks ago--his mom tells me they were testing him for college housing and diagnosed him high-functioning autistic!

food allergies suck, but at least i have an excuse not to eat the *%&# my inlaws prepare. "I can't; I'm still nursing."

[Leilalu]

Originally Posted by zoebird

there's an article i read somewhere (was in here) about our homes being too clean, so the kids don't have enough to 'fight' from an immune system perspective, so the immune system 'pick's things to fight from what is around. and so, food it is.

this makes a lot of sense actually. And provided the dirt kids play in isn't filled with pesticides or lead(!!!) this can be a very good thing indeed. There is a lot of evidence out there about how people used to get most of the good bacteria they needed from working the soil, playing in the dirt/walking in the dirt, etc.

[Taedareth]

The Maker's Diet recommends making mud pies

The only thing I worry about with DS playing in/eating dirt (he's 21 months) is that parasite eggs are in the soil, and it's really hard to prove that you have parasites, let alone get rid of them.

Er, at the risk of way TMI, a couple years ago I passed a roundworm (I know for a fact that it was because I took it to my doctor and she identified it). But when I went to a gastrointerologist (sp?) he was openly skeptical (like I would lie about seeing a worm?) and said that parasites are EXTREMELY rare, and anyway they're not harmful; they're just a symbiotic life form (or something to that effect). I don't understand his logic. Acidophilus is a symbiotic life form; parasites are...PARASITES. They steal our nutrition and are not good for us.

So anyway, I don't want DS getting worms by eating dirt, because apparently Western doctors are reluctant to treat them.

[Leilalu]

Originally Posted by Taedareth

The Maker's Diet recommends making mud pies

The only thing I worry about with DS playing in/eating dirt (he's 21 months) is that parasite eggs are in the soil, and it's really hard to prove that you have parasites, let alone get rid of them.

Er, at the risk of way TMI, a couple years ago I passed a roundworm (I know for a fact that it was because I took it to my doctor and she identified it). But when I went to a gastrointerologist (sp?) he was openly skeptical (like I would lie about seeing a worm?) and said that parasites are EXTREMELY rare, and anyway they're not harmful; they're just a symbiotic life form (or something to that effect). I don't understand his logic. Acidophilus is a symbiotic life form; parasites are...PARASITES. They steal our nutrition and are not good for us.

So anyway, I don't want DS getting worms by eating dirt, because apparently Western doctors are reluctant to treat them.

I agree. it's sad....
I saw a discovery channel show not too long ago that really opened my eyes. It was about a certain type of parasite that is found in the slime of snails(we have sooooo many in our yard.......) or can be anyway- and if ants eat the slime of the snail, they get this parasite which literally takes over their brain and makes them want to sit around on flowers all day. THEN, cows foraging in fields eat the flowers with the ants on it and then the whole herd gets sick.

Parasites are NOT RARE. I believe most people, even organic grassfed foods people have them. I want to do another cleanse after the baby, but would love to find out if I could do a minor one now.

I have heard that getting enough msm, and taking things like oil of oregano can greatly reduce the chances of hosting live parasites.

[RootBeerFloat]

Sorry for changing the conversation a little bit, but I've noticed a huge shift in my metabolism. For a long time, I've been feeling really good eating three pretty good sized meals per day with little or no snacking in between, which they discuss in EFLF. But that is totally not working for me right now. Instead, I need to eat smaller meals every few hours. Otherwise, I get lightheaded and queasy.

I feel totally upside down, since it's alot easier (when you're cooking everything from scratch) to cook 3 meals per day instead of 6! I just can't figure out what to eat. And it can't be just snacks; my body really wants some carbs, protein, and fats every few hours. So ideas on that would be helpful--especially since we're gfcf. I think that's the real pisser; when I was pregnant with dd, I ate yogurt several times per day and that filled the void. Too bad I'm allergic to it . . . .

[HerthElde]

Originally Posted by Taedareth

The Maker's Diet recommends making mud pies

The only thing I worry about with DS playing in/eating dirt (he's 21 months) is that parasite eggs are in the soil, and it's really hard to prove that you have parasites, let alone get rid of them.

Er, at the risk of way TMI, a couple years ago I passed a roundworm (I know for a fact that it was because I took it to my doctor and she identified it). But when I went to a gastrointerologist (sp?) he was openly skeptical (like I would lie about seeing a worm?) and said that parasites are EXTREMELY rare, and anyway they're not harmful; they're just a symbiotic life form (or something to that effect). I don't understand his logic. Acidophilus is a symbiotic life form; parasites are...PARASITES. They steal our nutrition and are not good for us.

So anyway, I don't want DS getting worms by eating dirt, because apparently Western doctors are reluctant to treat them.

Sure, but . . .

. . . see, this is one of those things where my brain just goes "but what about the things we don't know". Like, I'm sure acidophilus isn't the only microbial life form that should exist in an ultimately healthy gut ecosystem, and I'm even more sure that there are life forms present in the soil that modern science is as yet unaware of that we would all ideally have in our guts - possibly even varying based on specific location, perhaps things that would help us cleanse of all the toxins in our environment. The idea of "wildlife, but only as we control it" extends to our diets and makes me really squeamish about what it means for the future of humanity. Because, truly, we just don't know everything
So, my kids eat as much dirt as they want. They also eat bitter herbs that help regulate that gut ecosystem. Oh, also, you need "bad" bugs in some quantity to keep the "good" bugs from becoming "bad"
Fallon had an article in Naturally Healthy magazine about diet and parasites in '99 or so - I discovered it when I was cleaning out my stash of magazines. I'll dig up the article next time I think of it and see what it says.
Also, don't know if you believe in energetic medicine or not, but BodyTalk addresses parasites specifically It's pretty neat stuff.

[HerthElde]

Originally Posted by Ally'smom

Sorry for changing the conversation a little bit, but I've noticed a huge shift in my metabolism. For a long time, I've been feeling really good eating three pretty good sized meals per day with little or no snacking in between, which they discuss in EFLF. But that is totally not working for me right now. Instead, I need to eat smaller meals every few hours. Otherwise, I get lightheaded and queasy.

I feel totally upside down, since it's alot easier (when you're cooking everything from scratch) to cook 3 meals per day instead of 6! I just can't figure out what to eat. And it can't be just snacks; my body really wants some carbs, protein, and fats every few hours. So ideas on that would be helpful--especially since we're gfcf. I think that's the real pisser; when I was pregnant with dd, I ate yogurt several times per day and that filled the void. Too bad I'm allergic to it . . . .

Raw egg yolks in a coconut milk smoothie?

[CholoMama]

Changing the subject again, but are you all taking liver in some form? I really can't do the fresh liver thing so I'm looking into the ultra pure brand of freeze-dried liver capsules. Then I spotted the organ delight which has extracts of 9 different organs. Does anyone take this? Just wondering because technically we are growing all these different organs in our babes so might make sense to take this instead of only liver?

[Taedareth]

I take Ron's Organ Delight. I emailed him and he said the organs and glands are really important for pregnant mamas. I can't handle the texture of fresh liver so the freezedried capsules work for me.

HerthElde - I'd be very interested to hear what SF had to say in her article about parasites. Thanks! What bitter herbs do your kids take, and in what form (tea, capsules, tincture)? What are the benefits of taking these herbs?


Leilalu - ITA that parasite infections are not rare. In fact, my regular doctor told me that "roundworms are omnipresent" - that their eggs are pretty much everywhere. So I think it's kind of like the germ theory; you can either freak out about trying to sterilize EVERYTHING you come in contact with (good luck!) and thus weaken your immune system, or you can strengthen your immune system and trust that it can handle whatever harmful germs you may come in contact with. I imagine parasites are the same way: you can't avoid coming in contact with them, but there must be a way to make your body a hostile environment for them. I read something about that on Wilderness Family Naturals website, I think. They mentioned that eating coconut oil daily helps make your body less hospitable to parasites, but I don't know how much you would have to eat. What cleanse did you do? I tried the Hulda Clark one (cloves, black walnut, and wormwood) but apparently never passed anything, which makes me think it didn't work. I mean, where there's one roundworm there are bound to be hundreds or thousands. I wish I could know for sure whether those things are gone. Ugh!

On a different subject - my buckwheat and oat flour bread turned out great!! It was soaked overnight with kefir so it has a slightly sour flavor. I also added some molasses because the buckwheat just smelled like it would go well with molasses. The "flowers of kefir" yeast worked great, too. The bread rose just fine and is still moist. Mmmmmmm!!

[newcastlemama]

Checking in--

Cholomama--I eat liver, but I have heard people have good results on the tablets.

I am thinking of doing some superfoods since my prenatals are almost gone. Many of them seem pretty affordable too. I have acerola (but that I lmost gone too so I am thinking about the alma tabs) I also do CLO and BO. Every few days I take a borage oil.

How do you decide which to take? I already eat liver (tonight ground beef liver in meatloaf) so I don't feel I need liver pills. I was thinking maybe some nutritional yeast and wheat germ oil. Anyone tried spirulina?

Thanks,
Jen

[Leilalu]

Originally Posted by Taedareth

I take Ron's Organ Delight. I emailed him and he said the organs and glands are really important for pregnant mamas. I can't handle the texture of fresh liver so the freezedried capsules work for me.

HerthElde - I'd be very interested to hear what SF had to say in her article about parasites. Thanks! What bitter herbs do your kids take, and in what form (tea, capsules, tincture)? What are the benefits of taking these herbs?


Leilalu - ITA that parasite infections are not rare. In fact, my regular doctor told me that "roundworms are omnipresent" - that their eggs are pretty much everywhere. So I think it's kind of like the germ theory; you can either freak out about trying to sterilize EVERYTHING you come in contact with (good luck!) and thus weaken your immune system, or you can strengthen your immune system and trust that it can handle whatever harmful germs you may come in contact with. I imagine parasites are the same way: you can't avoid coming in contact with them, but there must be a way to make your body a hostile environment for them. I read something about that on Wilderness Family Naturals website, I think. They mentioned that eating coconut oil daily helps make your body less hospitable to parasites, but I don't know how much you would have to eat. What cleanse did you do? I tried the Hulda Clark one (cloves, black walnut, and wormwood) but apparently never passed anything, which makes me think it didn't work. I mean, where there's one roundworm there are bound to be hundreds or thousands. I wish I could know for sure whether those things are gone. Ugh!

On a different subject - my buckwheat and oat flour bread turned out great!! It was soaked overnight with kefir so it has a slightly sour flavor. I also added some molasses because the buckwheat just smelled like it would go well with molasses. The "flowers of kefir" yeast worked great, too. The bread rose just fine and is still moist. Mmmmmmm!!

Ok, I need to get me some liver tablets




Well the thing about cleanses is that they take awhile to kill or weaken the parasites. So it wouldn't be until continuing the program of tablets or whatever for several days that you would see results. Plus, your body has to pass them. But I have heard form a friend that her mom did a cleanse for parasites,and after a week her poop pretty much looked like rice and beans

I agree the best thing is to make your body very inhospitable towards them.

[momto5girls]

Originally Posted by Taedareth

On a different subject - my buckwheat and oat flour bread turned out great!! It was soaked overnight with kefir so it has a slightly sour flavor. I also added some molasses because the buckwheat just smelled like it would go well with molasses. The "flowers of kefir" yeast worked great, too. The bread rose just fine and is still moist. Mmmmmmm!!

Recipe for the bread? Please? This sounds like something I need to try!

[CholoMama]

Thanks everyone for the liver info. Taedereth how many of the Organ Delights do you take per day? Its pretty expensive here (and it's only coming from NZ for goodness sake!) and the only place that sells it has no more stock, all being held by quarantine. Urhghg, they are diabolical over here! I might have to see if my dh can heavily disguise some liver in a dish, I suppose grating it is the best way for it to be unrecognisable.

Taedereth I see unfortunately we also both frequent the dental forum. We are off to Sydney soon for Healozone treatment, hope you have some success with your little one's teeth.

Also, I have to say apart from being a bit tired in the afternoons and evenings, I am actually feeling great this pregnancy. I did the last, too, but definitely has some nausea the first trimester, and now so far nothing. Perhaps the TF diet, CLO, EVCO, are responble?

[RootBeerFloat]

HerthElde, thanks for that suggestion. I can't do straight coconut milk, dunno why I never have, but if I mix it with something, I'll bet it would work. I was thinking about the raw milk tonic that she has in EFLF, which is milk, egg yolk, and blackstrap molasses--and thinking, yum! It didn't even occur to me to substitute coconut milk!

CholoMama, I am eating liver every 5 or 6 days or so. I'm craving it, actually. We use KerryAnn's liver patty recipie, OMG it is fantastic! http://cookingnt.blogspot.com/2005/1...r-patties.html Very mild liver flavor, no texture issues--especially if you use chicken livers. I feel best on the days when I eat them. On top of that, I am taking dessicated liver tablets every day I don't eat liver. They aren't great quality, but I can afford them, which is a biggie for me! lol

The chicken liver pate recipie in NT is also really good; I made it with baby portabella mushrooms last fall and froze it in small containers to eat in place of yogurt. I plan on making up a batch soon.

[newcastlemama]

Originally Posted by CholoMama

I might have to see if my dh can heavily disguise some liver in a dish, I suppose grating it is the best way for it to be unrecognisable.

I hid 4oz beef liver in about 1 pound of ground beef meatloaf. What I discovered today is that I can grind it up in the food processor!!! I am going to start adding it to meatballs and hamburgers.I don't really like liver all that much, but this is easy way to eat it. I could not taste it at all. Also, I seem have trouble grating the liver so I never get that much. Maybe I am doing it wrong. The new grinding method is much better for me.

The other way to eat without tasting it is to chop it into pill sizes and then freeze for 14 days (to kill parasites). Then just swallow the frozen liver pieces like pills. I have read people also adding a few of these frozen bits to their smoothie before they blend it.

Jen

[wagamama]

[QUOTE=Taedareth;9271334]I take Ron's Organ Delight. I emailed him and he said the organs and glands are really important for pregnant mamas. I can't handle the texture of fresh liver so the freezedried capsules work for me.

I'm just about to do an order with Dr. Ron, and was debating whether to order the Organ Delight or the freeze-dried liver, or both. Both seems like a bit of overkill, though. Did he recommend taking both?