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post #1 of 23
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We finally got to the point where we buy absolutely no disposable paper or plastic products.

We used very little as it was, but we still bought tp, aluminum foil, kleenex when someone was sick (the kids hated handkerchiefs), reusable plastic food storage containers, sandwich bags...I think that's it.

Now we've got it to zero.

We use:
cloth napkins;
cloth tp;
cloth mentstrual pads;
(cloth diapers and plastic pants when they were babies);
handkerchiefs;
cloth elasticized bowl covers to store food in fridge over regular bowls large and small;
rags for clean up;
dishcloths;
cloth kitchen handtowels;
gold coffee filter;
bulk tea using a small strainer;
cloth napkins to wrap sandwiches for lunch out
small muslin bags for things like chips or grapes, etc.
glass jars to store bulk foods

I'm sure there's more, but I can't think of any. We just don't go down those aises. We don't even reuse plastic produce bags. We buy the produce without bags and put it all in a cloth grocery bag. If we want it separated, I bring some muslin bags I sewed so the plums don't escape and slip between the avocados and get smushed!

We also don't use trash bags. We use a metal trash can and empty it outside each night like we did when I was a kid.

The bowl covers don't keep food for as long so we just don't make very many leftovers.

Who wants old food in the fridge and trash in the house anyway?

And we didn't buy those things new. For example, I found 3 beautiful lightweight linen shirts at the thrift store for a couple of dollars and I sewed 4 handkerchiefs from each shirt.

I made dishcloth mitts from waffle weave dishtowels also from the thrift store for half a dollar or less for 2 mitts.

It's been fun to see how simple we can get things. Mostly we just stopped using the disposable item and decided whether or not it needed a replacement. (TP is obvious you'd think, but in India you wash with water after you go and don't use a cloth. But we use a cloth!)
post #2 of 23
How awesome! I love to hear about families who do this!
post #3 of 23
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Originally Posted by rabbithorns View Post
... in India you wash with water after you go and don't use a cloth. But we use a cloth!)
I want to install a bidet when we can afford to redo the bathroom. After the experience of using a bidet, I've been longing to have one.

When changing diapers at home, I'd forego wipes and clean with the sprayer nozzle in the sink. I feel cleaner when washing afterwards and figured baby would too.

Congratulations on all your effort to reduce impact on the environment.
post #4 of 23
Thread Starter 
Ironically, we don't do it specifically to help keep our environment clean, which is certainly a by-product of living this way. We believe in self-sufficiency and reuse because they are economically sound and make for stronger community. I think my philosophies were molded greatly by my relatives. My parents had no brothers and sisters so I had great aunts and uncles. Most of my relatives had lived through the Russian Revolution, the Great Depression, and World War II. Thrift and not being a burden so you could be a help were ideologies I gravitated to.

I just wanted to live as simply as possible so if the country went to heck in a handbasket, or if I ever lived in a third world situation, I would have the skills necessary to stay alive and also be of benefit to others.

It scares me how many folks have no idea how to live or raise children without TV, telephones (I'm not even talking about cell phones), bank accounts and credit cards, mortgages, car payments, yes, even an automatic transmission. LOL Without land to garden, people don't know how to feed themselves, and few have at least one trade-able skill in case of emergency.

I'm not the militia-man type, but I guess I'm kind of Little House pioneer style. It just feels good to not need what's out there. I can't really explain it, but it's a type of freedom I feel.
post #5 of 23
This is so awesome!! I had noticed since we moved to our new place and stopped using paper plates and eating less processed food, how much less trash we have!! I would say that we went from 3-4 cans of trash every 2 weeks to 1 can.

Question though.... i know you don't store leftovers in the fridge as much but what about freezing?? For instance, we are expecting soon and I have been cooking extra meals to prepare for after the baby comes home. I also find that cooking ahead and freezing saves alot of $$. Right now we use plastic for those. I imagine we could switch to glass, but the thought of the expense that would go along with that intimidates me. Obviously you have more experience than I do...any thoughts on making it work and being less disposable at the same time????
post #6 of 23
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We don't have anything in the freezer except ice and lemon juice I squeezed and froze in ice cube trays for lemonade. We use metal ice cube trays - totally vintage, old ones from when I grew up.

My grandmother used to have meals she'd freeze. As I recall, she either left them in the Pyrex dishes and covered them with waxed paper or butcher paper (you cool the meal, place the paper on top and sort of smush it inside the lip of the dish, then cover the whole thing again and rubber band it around or put a plate on top to weigh it sealed). Or she'd dish out portions onto butcher paper/ freezer paper and wrap and tie with string.

Things kept fine but she also wasn't leaving them in the freezer for more than a month so.

So it does involve some paper, but one thing you can do is find an actual butcher or even the butcher at your grocery and ask if they ever get replace the rolls before all the paper is used up and they will give them to you.

You could also freeze soups and stews and more pourable meals in mason jars. Even lasagna could be shoved into those wide-mouthed jars and it wouldn't be square anymore, but more like a hamburger helper meal when you pour it out.

The main thing to think is not can it be done, but how was it done before we had plastic wrap and foil. Old homemaking books from the 30s might be helpful, but I don't have one. I just think back to my relatives' ways.
post #7 of 23


thats so awesome, way to go!

We arnt even close to that, I cant seem to get the rest of the household on board.
post #8 of 23
I suppose it's possible to freeze a lasagna or equivilent in whatever pan you baked it in- maybe check out thrift stores for extra baking dishes so you can afford to store a whole bunch of them in the freezer?

Soups and sauces can be frozen in glass jars- if you purchase food in glass jars, save and reuse those containers. If not, or you want to build up your collection faster than you can use up food, try asking on freecycle- many people toss or recycle those and wouldn't mind collecting a few for somebody else to reuse.

All in all, remember that this is a journey towards being more "green." Few of us can be "all the way there" right away. If you feel the need to freeze some things in foil pans or plastic bags right now, don't beat yourself up about it. You're probably still using far fewer disposable products than many other expectant moms.

Remember that, if you go back far enough, you're going to find that people didn't HAVE large freezers for long term food storage. Maybe they had an icebox and a huge chunk of ice was delivered once or twice a week and a freezer simply wasn't affordable for a typical family.

They either prepared foods as they needed them, or canned things instead of freezing them. In many communities, people brought meals for a new mom instead of an expectant mom freezing meals ahead for herself.

A freezer can make it a lot easier to provide your family with wholesome meals (instead of processed foods or takeout) while adjusting to life with a new baby. Using a few disposable freezer containers might be less wasteful than purchasing takout foods and/or processed foods that are quick and easy to make.
post #9 of 23
Thread Starter 
Ruth brings up a really REALLY good point about how most folks didn't need to prepare for the "long cold winter" (unless they were very rural or pioneers) because their community would help. Most folks had neighbors or extended family nearby and times like babies, deaths, weddings, sickness, celebration, or hard times were held and supported by all.

Maybe you can ask some relatives or friends to make their favorite meal for your freezer. You could get at least a week's worth that way.

I certainly don't suggest "going green" to anyone especially in a hurry. I personally like the old ways. They cost less, use less, and make it possible for me to have my husband at home 3 more hours a month rather than have him off earning the money for things we don't need. I grew up that way and so it's not a big jump for me. I don't think you can be living the all-consuming 21st century American lifestyle and live like it's 1935 at the same time! I just like 1935 better - call me the Queen of Denial!
post #10 of 23
the world needs more families like yours!
post #11 of 23
"The main thing to think is not can it be done, but how was it done before we had plastic wrap and foil. Old homemaking books from the 30s might be helpful, but I don't have one. I just think back to my relatives' ways."[/QUOTE]


Exactly.
post #12 of 23
Bravo!
You are an example to all.
You can expect me to bug you with all kinds of questions as I try to do the same.
post #13 of 23
that is so great. we are getting there, trash bags are probably something we will always have around. and now that i am trying to freeze food for the winter, i am using a lot of ziploc type bags. it makes me sad to open the freezer and see all the good food in the disposable plastic bags. and freezing is one thing that is hard to say 'how did they do it before plastic', because they didn't. freezers were small or nonexistent, they canned everything. but the flavor and nutritional value of the food is so much better when frozen instead of canned, so we deal w/ the bags. i use glass when i can, but when you are freezing 6 ears of corn on the cob, what do you do but use a ziploc! and sliced peaches, do i put them in a mason jar, or in a ziploc? the bag will expose them to much less air, and take up much less space in the freezer. and the more 'solid' food you have in the freezer, instead of air, the more efficiently your freezer maintains temperature. so, i wish wish wish i could ditch the ziplocs. i could wash them, but that would be exposing them to hot water, and i really don't want to release any of the plastics in the bag when washing. ugh! congrats to you, i wish that were me. SOMEDAY!!!
post #14 of 23
Congrats! You are an inspiration! we are getting there, but not as fast as I hoped. So far just family cloth, mama pads and many fewer paper towels and also glass food storage containers.
post #15 of 23
We are close...but we do still have aluminum foil. I use a Diva Cup as I did not like the cloth pads at all (it was hard to go back to pads after having used tampons for all those years). And the handkerchifs...for some reason I have no problem wiping my poo on a cloth, but blowing my nose on a cloth...it is still very gross to me. Go figure.
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by Slabobbin View Post
And the handkerchifs...for some reason I have no problem wiping my poo on a cloth, but blowing my nose on a cloth...it is still very gross to me. Go figure.
I am *this* close to using cloth for #2s, but the nose blowing thing really freaks me out.
post #17 of 23
Thread Starter 
I did the laundry for my folks while my stepmom was recuperating from knee surgery last spring. My father still carries a clean white hankerchief every day. I think if you grow up with it, it's normal. For me, it's fross to walk by a basket full of snotty paper. To thorw something out, I have to risk touching that.

Use a hanky a couple of times, throw it into a small pail with soap and water and get a clean one.

Maybe also because we didn't have alot of disposable products when my kids were little, we had to wipe their constantly oozing orifices with some kind of cloth anyway. So touching body fluids and solids was just part of the deal. I was always picking something out of somewhere, it seemed. Maybe it's different for newer moms and you don't touch the stuff. I don't really know.
post #18 of 23
That's awesome! You are certainly an inspiration!

I think for me, the handkerchief would be the hardest. I have severe allergies and I literally sneeze hundreds of times a day during the change of seasons. I currently have 10 boxes of kleenex in the pantry that won't last to the end of the year. I'm not even sure it would be more ecological to have hankies because I would wash a load a day *at least*.

What do you use for hanging up clothes? Wire hangers? Wooden ones? Even the wire hangers we have are plastic coated.

Do you use the microwave to reheat? What do you use to cover your food in the microwave? (I'm thinking things like rice that you need to put a wet paper towel over to keep moist.)

Do you make your own laundry detergent? What do you store it in?

I've been pushing my family to get to the point where you are, but these are some obstacles in my way. The tissues, the hangers, the laundry detergent, and paper towels are the biggies. I'd love to hear your suggestions to pass on to dh. He doesn't think we can do it.
post #19 of 23
Us too! We still have plastic in our kitchen, but it's not disposable-- we reuse glass and plastic food containers to store food in (like Earth Balance tubs, jars, etc.)
We use cloth TP, cloth napkins, kitchen towels, dish rags, cloth grocery and produce bags, cloth menstrual pads (and a diva cup), etc. I feel like we're doing pretty good, but we're still working on it with our kitchen (our bathroom is pretty much packaging free now, with unwrapped soaps and bulk ACV for hair washing). We do buy some bulk things in paper bags, like flour, because we don't have large enough reusable containers.
post #20 of 23
We don't use a lot of diposible products anymore, we do still have TP and Paper towel on hand, but they are made of post-consumer recycled paper to start with and the paper towel lasts FOREVER.

For those looking to freeze things, I suggest Tupperware or something similar. It's not disposible, or made of off-gassing plastic (they are consicous of this) and it lasts a VERY long time. (It's sold with a lifetime guarantee!)

Maybe not perfect, but better than ziploc bags.
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