Logistics of bottle feeding? - Page 2

[hetaera]

Originally Posted by lolar2

The generic brands at Kroger, Safeway, CVS, Rite-Aid, and Wal-mart (not Costco or Target thoug) are all identical. Made by PBM Nutritionals. This goes for the generic organic too, though I think only Wal-mart has the ready-to-feed generic for some strange reason.

I dont have personal experience with anything other than Parents choice and their website says its available only at walmart. I dont doubt what you're saying. Its the same stuff just a different label.

Couldn't the colostrum at least be pumped out and fed to baby in a bottle?

What part of CAN NOT dont people understand?
Im sure if it were possible she would already be suggesting that to her.
Maybe she had a double mastectomy? there are plenty of other reasons why she CAN NOT breast feed.
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Eta, Sorry. That came out a lot harsher than I meant for it to... I dont mean to sound so rude.

[onlyboys]

Originally Posted by hetaera

I dont have personal experience with anything other than Parents choice and their website says its available only at walmart. I dont doubt what you're saying. Its the same stuff just a different label.


What part of CAN NOT dont people understand?
Im sure if it were possible she would already be suggesting that to her.
Maybe she had a double mastectomy? there are plenty of other reasons why she CAN NOT breast feed.
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Eta, Sorry. That came out a lot harsher than I meant for it to... I dont mean to sound so rude.

It's just a really hard thing to understand. I mean, she could nurse, but not for nutrition, or she could not be able to nurse because of emotional issues like PTSD, or she could have another aversion, or have had a reduction, or a mastectomy... But, really, if she's got nipples a lot of us would still want to see the baby put to breast, even if it wasn't going to go anywhere, for the first imprinting/bonding moments. (Then the babe would get colostrum).

I think everyone means well, though I can see it's troubling to you.

[hetaera]

Originally Posted by onlyboys

I think everyone means well, though I can see it's troubling to you.

yeah, I know they do. Thats why I added my edit. I know they mean well.
Thanks for your explanation.

I think I do get a little protective of moms who seriously cant, because while hindsight is 20/20 and I had horrible advice the first time around, I know unlike me there are cases where the mom just cant and reading things like that has got to be a little hurtful even if people dont mean it to be.

[onlyboys]

Yes, I agree. It's hard not to be jaded, as we hear all the time, "Oh, I couldn't nurse!" Literally I hear it twice a week. For reasons like "bruising" and "not enough fat in my milk." For those of us who cannot nurse successfully, it must be very hard to hear those words chucked around. And it does make it seem like we can't believe those women who truly can't nurse. I've only met one person in my life who couldn't nurse, but she still just did amazing things! Pumped, and did an SNS and let the baby comfort nurse. I mean, she worked so hard! And NEVER had milk. Her devotion was incredible.

[myjulybabes]

Originally Posted by hetaera

(Im probably going to catch on fire for suggesting nestle here arent I?)

Not from me. To the best of my knowledge, the formula is NOT part of the boycott, because while Nestle's practices are evil, Good Start is often better tolerated than other milk based formulas. And if a baby needs formula, they ought to get the one that works best for them, regardless of who makes it.

It's been a long time since I've bottle fed, but I think others have covered most of the tips and tricks. Slow flow nipples and an upright position help with both gas and overfeeding. Lots of snuggling, no bottle propping, no scheduling.

[Sourire_Smile]

I don't think I can help too much with the original question, but I had a thought that may or may not help. I didn't see it addressed anywhere, so here goes nothing...

Could she possibly look into donated BM? Maybe there is a milk bank that could help her out? Maybe even (assuming she's comfortable with it) a local mother who is willing to donate?

That may not be something she is interested in at all or it might not be feasible, but it doesn't hurt to suggest.

Good for you for taking on a challenge. It truly doesn't matter why she can't BF, it's obvious she truly cares for her little one to be seeking this knowledge so diligently.

[chandasz]

Speaking of boycotting... Boycott Walmart!

[Ammaarah]

Originally Posted by myjulybabes

Not from me. To the best of my knowledge, the formula is NOT part of the boycott

That's what I've always read; the formula's not included as part of the boycott because some people need it, whereas nobody really needs Lean Cuisines.

[sweeetpea]

Thanks for all your thoughts, ladies!

haetera - thanks for defending my bf'ing honor! I have worked with clients before who were wishy-washy about it, but were willing to "try" to breastfeed, and all initiated bfing at birth. This is the first time I have worked with a mama who really and truly can't, so it's been interesting.

onlyboys - I agee with feeling jaded. There is a mom at ds's preschool with a newborn who is bottlefeeding, who "tried to bf, but it was just so hard", she stopped at three days. : She also thinks breatfeeding is "gross". : I cannot talk with her because it gets me upset to think how much she is putting her preferences (and prejudices) before her baby's health. And that the baby gets formula, just because mama thinks bf'ing is gross. She'd probably freak if she knew my 3+ year old in her son's class still asks to nurse! :

I definitely will advocate for the organic formula and the slow flow nipples, as well as educate on the side switching/eye development positioning. Who knew ff is so complicated? Geeez, breastfeeding is just soooo much easier. Ah well, I'll know if there is ever a next time...

Sweetpea

[laohaire]

Dr. Sear's Baby Book has a chapter on formula feeding that might be helpful. Most of what's in there has been covered by the thread, but it might be nice for the mama to have an organized resource she can read and keep.