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post #1 of 37
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: First, on day 2 of school I sent a note saying dd would be taking the bus from now on. (Originally I'd said we'd have parent pick up first week, but dd and ds insisted, so I relented and sent notes stating the change and gave my cell # and email addy if the teachers had any questions. Additionally, I emailed the teachers this info on top of sending the note.) She called dh's cell that afternoon at 2:20 saying that dd said she was taking the bus now. DH confirmed and I said that I'd sent a note. She replied, "Oh, I haven't even looked at my notes yet."



This morning dd told me she thought there was a bday today.

We don't celebrate bdays so the arrangement in our home is to send the kids w/ a pkg of their own cookies (no cupcakes allowed in school) to be kept at school so they can have a cookie when everyone else does. I asked dd's teacher (in a note & in person) to please send dd to another class during the festivities. (2nd grade doesn't do anything other than the song and a cookie, kinder makes a bigger production.) No big deal. I sent notes to each teacher the first day stating this and asking them to email/call if they had any questions.

DS's teacher said it was a great idea and said we could leave cookies for ds. So we did. Never heard back from dd's teacher.

So, since I was under the impression that there might be a bday today, I went to the store and bought 2 kinds of Newman's Own cookies so dd could pick which she wanted to leave at school. I walked into the classroom and the kids were all resting. I thought their rest time was later in the afternoon, but apparently not. Had I known it was then, I'd have gone later. I sat down by the teacher to explain the situation and then it just got really frustrating.

The teacher didn't stop interrupting me so I could explain what I was doing there in a complete sentence. She thought I was bringing them for tomorrow's bday, she thought I was trying to give them to dd NOW, and she told me it was disruptive because I came at rest time. She kept on these few things all through the 10 minutes I was there and trying to explain 2 things to her. "These are for dd. She needs to pick one to leave here. Please send her to another room during bdays. Thank you. Goodbye." THAT SIMPLE. It was too much, apparently, for the teacher to just listen...

If I had known it was rest time I'd have come later. And NO I'm not intending to give her a cookie now. And stop telling her they're for tomorrow. She knows. I need to ask her which ones she wants to leave here. Stop talking so I can get an answer from her. She KNOWS they're for tomorrow, she's not stupid, please stop talking to her like she is.

The issue as to why I was there kept on, too. AGAIN I stated that DD told me she thought there was a bday today. I wasn't sure, so I brought the cookies just in case. I already KNOW there is one tomorrow. But I was under the impression that there might be one today. That's why I'm here. I didn't want her to miss out on a cookie. These are for dd. Please give her a cookie or 2 and send her out of the room during the festivities. I am not trying to give her a cookie now. I need to give her a choice as to which ones she wants me to leave here, because I was under the impression that there may have been a celebration today and I didn't want her to go w/o a cookie.

: : :

Finally the woman got the message and was fine w/ it. She asked if she needed to send the cookies home. OMG. (My head was about to explode at this point.) No! Keep them here. I said that in the note I sent on the first day and again when I spoke to her in person and she was practically pushing me out the door.

And the woman doesn't read or respond to her notes, as we've seen, so I have no idea whether she's got any questions or anything or even if she reads the notes at all.

It was quite draining! It's almost as bad as talking to my mil. I am not even kidding.

STOP interrupting me and jumping to conclusions and LISTEN.

Ugh. I hope I can find a way to communicate w/ this woman on a smoother level than these first few weeks have been.
post #2 of 37
Well...that does sound pretty frustrating. I would guess its one of two things...

1) The woman is a total wing nut.

OR

2) Because you have different beliefs than she does (the no birthday celebrations thing) she assumes you must be stupid. After all anyone who doesn't share our exact beliefs is usually stupid. Right?

If it is the second one she will probably see in time that you are a normal person who just happens to believe something different than she does. If she is a wing nut you will be in for a long year!

I guess if it were me I'd give her another chance...we all have off days...or maybe even weeks. But if it seems like this is going to be how it just IS with her you might have schedule a meeting after school or something to talk with her.
post #3 of 37
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If it is the second one she will probably see in time that you are a normal person who just happens to believe something different than she does. If she is a wing nut you will be in for a long year!
I suspect it's the latter. *sigh*

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I guess if it were me I'd give her another chance...we all have off days...or maybe even weeks. But if it seems like this is going to be how it just IS with her you might have schedule a meeting after school or something to talk with her.
She reminds me A LOT of my mil who drives me absolutely completely bat-s*** freaking crazy. I am pulling out my hair after 15 minutes with the woman. This teacher is so much like my mil it's freaky.

I suspect I'm in for a long year. I also suspect I will be sending in notes w/ very explicit instructions AND requests for conference times just to be sure she gets it.

I expect to have to talk to teachers about our beliefs. That part doesn't bother me in the least. What bugs me is being oblivious to the fact that I'm trying to explain what's going on, jumping to conclusions (why would I bring just MY KID a single cookie to eat at rest time???), and not responding notes or emails. In person is almost worse because she just runs the conversation instead of listening and then getting feedback the way most other conversations go. :
post #4 of 37
i'd be very tempted to send in notes with picture diagrams to, ahem, enhance the understanding level!
post #5 of 37
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i'd be very tempted to send in notes with picture diagrams to, ahem, enhance the understanding level!
It may just have to come to that!

My first post in this thread is so hideously LONG!!! I wrote it right after the incident and I was so frustrated. Thank you to those that have read and double thank you to those that responded.
post #6 of 37
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The cookies I brought in yesterday were for dd through the course of the year (or however long they lasted). I told the teacher, "These are for dd for when there are bdays. Give her a cookie and send her to the other room." Teacher said ok, she'd put them in a bag. Fine.

Ok. I thought.

DD told me tonight that the teacher had her share them with the whole class! :

The class HAD bday cookies earlier. THESE are for DD instead of a bday cookie.

What... ????

I told dh and he said, "OMG, we're dealing with my mom!"

So now I send in another package of cookies for dd and maybe pictures just to really get the message across. :
post #7 of 37
I'd call the teacher and freak out on her for sharing those cookies. Total freak out. WTH is wrong with the woman?? I think you need to talk to the principal or someone! (btdt when my kids were in school....it's more common when you have a SN kids, teachers tend to think YOU are SN
post #8 of 37
Ok, she's a nut case. I try to be really kind to teachers since I was one, but she is just out there. Talk to the principal. Maybe just stash a couple cookies in your dd's backpack in case of a party. It sounds like your little girl understands far better than the teacher what she is supposed to be doing.
post #9 of 37
I'd march in there and say very loudly right off the bat- woman you mis understand me, LISTEN to what I have to say. At any interruption I would tell her to shut up in a slightly politer way. Then I would say flat out- you keep disregarding my wishes and your boss will be involved. It might snap her into the moment.

Or the easier route it to completely by-pass her and go to the principle and even request your dd get put in one of the other kindergarten classes.
post #10 of 37
I think I'm as confused (ok, not quite that much) as the kindergarten teacher...

One, I'd skip completely letting dd pick which of two types of cookies she wants for her non-birthday birthday cookie. I assume that you could take a reasonably good guess as to what she'd like.

Why not buy the pre-made single serving size bags of cookies, then leave one or two of those with the teacher, and send more as needed. If you left a whole bag of Oreos or what have you, I'd think they'd get stale giving her just one or two per month over the whole year.

Did I miss the why part - if I may be so forward as to ask - you don't want her to have the same cookie the rest of the kids are getting? Is it a nutritional (type of cookie) concern? I got the impression it was a belief system. So you want her to leave the room to avoid the celebration aspect but get a cookie so she doesn't miss out on the treat?

When I was five, my best friend was a neighbor whose family didn't believe in celebrating birthdays or holidays - so she wasn't allowed to attend my birthday parties. That was tough to understand at five. I guess I haven't gotten too far in that department in another quite a few years. Maybe the teacher could apply the cookie system better if she understood it more?
post #11 of 37
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One, I'd skip completely letting dd pick which of two types of cookies she wants for her non-birthday birthday cookie. I assume that you could take a reasonably good guess as to what she'd like.
I had 2 kinds that she eats, so I went to drop off one package, but needed to know which pkg she wanted. I intended to talk to the teacher first, then ask dd discreetly, but given that it was rest time the kids were a little fidgety so discretion didn't happen easily. Especially w/ the teacher not shutting up and listening to me.

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Why not buy the pre-made single serving size bags of cookies, then leave one or two of those with the teacher, and send more as needed. If you left a whole bag of Oreos or what have you, I'd think they'd get stale giving her just one or two per month over the whole year.
Because I just want them available to her as needed. I don't need to know every kid's bday.

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Did I miss the why part - if I may be so forward as to ask - you don't want her to have the same cookie the rest of the kids are getting? Is it a nutritional (type of cookie) concern? I got the impression it was a belief system. So you want her to leave the room to avoid the celebration aspect but get a cookie so she doesn't miss out on the treat?
It's our beliefs. When I was a kid, missing out on the cupcake that everyone else got was kind of a bummer. I just wanted a cupcake, too. If my mom had sent me w/ my own treat it would have been ok to me. So I send my kids their own treats w/ the request that dd be sent elsewhere for the bday song and stuff. In kinder they make a big thing over bdays, but not so much in the other grades, so we didn't have to worry about that w/ ds (he's a 2nd grader). I'm trying to make it so my kids don't feel bad or feel like they're missing out on something. We have parties and stuff for other reasons, we get cupcakes and treats for other reasons, but it is a little uncomfortable being the only kid in class who doesn't celebrate bdays or holidays. I'm trying to help them see that it's ok to be different, but they can still have a special treat when the rest do. (To dd, those cookies we sent for her are big news!)

Does that help?

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When I was five, my best friend was a neighbor whose family didn't believe in celebrating birthdays or holidays - so she wasn't allowed to attend my birthday parties. That was tough to understand at five. I guess I haven't gotten too far in that department in another quite a few years. Maybe the teacher could apply the cookie system better if she understood it more?
It's hard being the 5 yr old that doesn't go, too, believe me. As you get older, though, you tend to understand it better and it's no big deal.

The teacher said she's had other kids w/ our beliefs in her class before, so she understood it would be different for dd. She asked for a couple specifics and as I was telling her she was practically pushing me out the door. Drove me nuts! If you want/need to know something, PLEASE stop talking long enough to listen.
post #12 of 37
Uggh... Like I told you, she can't follow such simple instructions that are so simply stated, yet she is in charge of a group of K'ers? Um, yeah. Hope things look up for R! Wait until the next is in K!
post #13 of 37
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I'd call the teacher and freak out on her for sharing those cookies. Total freak out. WTH is wrong with the woman?? I think you need to talk to the principal or someone! (btdt when my kids were in school....it's more common when you have a SN kids, teachers tend to think YOU are SN
So true! Thankfully, my SN kid is doing great this year. Now why can't my NT one do well??

I am entertaining the idea of addressing it w/ the principal. I can't handle stupidity or refusing to listen to my concerns as a parent.


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Ok, she's a nut case. I try to be really kind to teachers since I was one, but she is just out there. Talk to the principal. Maybe just stash a couple cookies in your dd's backpack in case of a party. It sounds like your little girl understands far better than the teacher what she is supposed to be doing.
My aunt also teaches -- I do try to be reasonable, myself, but this was just weird! Today I'm picking the kids up from school (I'll be there for ds's assessment appointment) so I sent emails, wrote notes, AND told the kids not to get on the bus. I specifically told dd, "Do not let Mrs G put you on the bus. Make sure she gets your note and tell her you are parent pick up."

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I'd march in there and say very loudly right off the bat- woman you mis understand me, LISTEN to what I have to say. At any interruption I would tell her to shut up in a slightly politer way. Then I would say flat out- you keep disregarding my wishes and your boss will be involved. It might snap her into the moment.

Or the easier route it to completely by-pass her and go to the principle and even request your dd get put in one of the other kindergarten classes.
Man, confronting ppl in 'authority' positions stresses me out, but I darn near came close the other day when she pulled all this crap. The minute she said it was "disruptive" of me to be there I just about flew off the handle. My brain was screaming but outwardly I was biting my tongue and spoke very bluntly but respectfully again repeating the cookie situation.

I WANTED to tell her: I don't care HOW disruptive you think it is, I am here to make sure my kid gets a proper education, is doing well socially, and isn't a misfit in class. If that means I ask her which cookies she wants because I was under the impression that there was a bday today and I don't want her to miss out on a treat, then so be it. You will not tell me what I can or can not do w/ my child and you will not tell me what YOU think I ought to do.

I have no desire to be "disruptive" at any time, but you need to HEAR ME when I tell you things about my kid. There are things you need to know about her and pushing me out the door as I'm trying to talk you about it or talking over me and jumping to asinine conclusions without listening to me is NOT going to bode well for any of us.
post #14 of 37
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Uggh... Like I told you, she can't follow such simple instructions that are so simply stated, yet she is in charge of a group of K'ers? Um, yeah. Hope things look up for R! Wait until the next is in K!
Oh noooo. My sil told me I don't seem to have good luck w/ Kindergarten. :

Sadly, she's right. My brother and I both had the same crappy K teacher, my ds had a K teacher so bad that we took him out to homeschool him - in kinder!, and now dd has one that's just as infuriating as my mil. :
post #15 of 37
You're doing the right thing by talking to the principal. Also, maybe set up a conference with this teacher?
post #16 of 37
ugh, it's sooooo time to get the principal involved!
post #17 of 37
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You're doing the right thing by talking to the principal. Also, maybe set up a conference with this teacher?
OMG, that would kill me. I've tried talking to her, she still doesn't listen. I've even tried when there are no kids around! She pushes me out the door and talks like she already knows what to do w/ my kid.
post #18 of 37
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I don't care HOW disruptive you think it is, I am here to make sure my kid gets a proper education, is doing well socially, and isn't a misfit in class. If that means I ask her which cookies she wants because I was under the impression that there was a bday today and I don't want her to miss out on a treat, then so be it. You will not tell me what I can or can not do w/ my child and you will not tell me what YOU think I ought to do.

I have no desire to be "disruptive" at any time, but you need to HEAR ME when I tell you things about my kid. There are things you need to know about her and pushing me out the door as I'm trying to talk you about it or talking over me and jumping to asinine conclusions without listening to me is NOT going to bode well for any of us.
I totally agree that the teacher made a bunch of mistakes, especially in distributing your whole bag of cookies (?!?). But I also think that the above stuff you wrote is a problem, and possibly indicative of why there was a problem at school.

YOU may not care how disruptive it is for you to talk with the teacher in class, but the teacher surely does, and rightfully so. And yes, I can see how a teacher trying to get her class ready for the day, dealing with a bunch of small children also clamoring for her attention, would not stop to listen carefully. I know when I'm feeling rushed or pressed for time/attention, I certainly listen less carefully, because I'm focused on trying to get moving on what I need to do. I have spoken with my daughter's teachers at the beginning of class, but I also try to make sure that it's quick, and I ask first if if I can speak with them briefly then, or would they prefer I call later or email, etc. And talking with your child in class IS disruptive also, I would think. And realistically, if I were the teacher, trying to get the class started, and I had a parent continue talking with her child, I'd be annoyed and want her to stop. And really, talking about cookie choices??? Not really urgent enough to interrupt my class. It seems to me that if it's important enough to you to give her a choice of cookies, YOU should have spoken with her earlier - it's not like your only chance to speak with your child is during class!

I think a good approach might be for you to write everything down, calmly, politely, and specifically, along the lines of: There seems to have been some misunderstanding, so rather than try to catch you at the beginning of class, I'm hoping this will clarify things. I do not want DD in the classroom when birthdays are being celebrated. However, since she does not want to miss out on treats, I am providing a bag of cookies for her use during the school year. By leaving the entire bag there, I will not need to know in advance when a birthday is being celebrated, and will not need for you to keep me informed of this. If you could just give DD a cookie from this bag as you send her to the other room whenever there is a birthday celebration, I would appreciate it. Please note that these cookies are for DD only, not for the entire class, and are really just a substitute for the treats that she would be getting in class during the birthday celebrations. If you have any questions about this, or would like to speak with me directly, please let me know. You can reach me by phone at xxx or by email at xxx or I'd be happy to speak with you when I drop DD off or pick her up. Thank you very much for your assistance.

ETA: I just read the other post about the teacher not listening even when there are no kids there. So I think that's even a better reason to try the detailed note approach - not SO detailed that it's daunting, or would take a long time to read (maybe put the "here's what you are to do" part in bold, with the rationale/background not in bold. Maybe she does have problem listening, in which case a note could be better. Maybe she's just annoyed with YOU, given the difficulties the two of you have had already, in which case the note is still better than trying to talk. And if she continues to disregard your requests, then the note also helps you in discussing this with the principal, since you have a copy of the clear instructions you gave her that she repeatedly disregarded, along with the evidence that you have tried repeatedly to make things work with her directly.
post #19 of 37
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Oh, no, no. I didn't say any of that to her. I thought it in my head. I'll clarify that post. Sorry.

And I HAVE spoken with her withOUT children around and I've sent very CLEAR notes (typed out, even!), always w/ my email and my cell # so I'm always available. But she still isn't getting it.
post #20 of 37
Can I ask a probably silly question here? Is there also a dietary issue going on? Otherwise, why is it better for your daughter to have one of your treats when it's another kid's birthday than to have one of their treats when it's another kid's birthday? Would it be easier for her teacher to understand "My child may have a treat, but I'd like her to leave the room while you sing, etc."? I hope this doesn't come across as disrespectful, there must be something I'm missing here...
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