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Long, sorry. Feedback on "Integrated" program?  

post #1 of 6
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Cross posted in "Toddlers"

Normally I research things to the nth degree but since DD1 is on Miralax for constipation issues and since she still isn't potty trained I didn't look into pre-schools until after the summer started. I focused my efforts on a local "integrated" program out of the H.S. that I have heard really good things about. There is an entirely separate "regular" program, also run out of the H.S. but they only have one room and I was told that all of the slots were probably filled (which turned out to be the case).

I did call both programs but I only heard back from the "Integrated" program and was told to follow up at the end of the Summer for a screening. They screened her on Wednesday. They advised us they had a morning slot for her on Thursday and the Open House was on Friday.

She went Monday and Tuesday and seems to be enjoying it. In fact DH reports that she actually befriended a girl who was crying on the way in on the first day saying something like: "It's ok; don't be sad; it'll be fun". And DD1 was crying on the way out because she didn't want to leave. He also says that the teacher says she is adjusting well.

So, what's the problem? Problem 1: DH isn't happy with the morning slot since he has to get DD1 (3 years old) and DD2 (1 year old) out the door by 7:45 AM since it's a pretty big deal if you are late for "drop off". We knew that the morning slot was a possibility and if it were that important to him he wouldn't have been outside when I called to tell him she got in. When I finally got him on the phone late Thursday afternoon I explained she got a morning slot and that I'd asked if they could switch her and that I'd gotten the predictable, unenthusiastic "possibly/probably" with a strong hint of "we'd rather not" response. So I explained that if he wanted to request a change we should probably do it Thursday. He's now trying to take credit for being a team player and giving the morning routine the old college try.

Problem 2: DH is claiming that I didn't tell him this is an "Integrated" program. He does concede I explained that (aside from the greater likelihood of getting into this program because it has more classrooms) that I was focusing on this program since there is a higher teacher/student ratio. He also concedes I told him that she would be a "role model" student. While I have no specific recollection it's extremely likely that I would have further explained that the majority of the slots are for children with learning disabilities. To be honest I didn't give a lot of thought to what that might mean but, again, I had heard very good things about this program due to the more intensive program and the higher teacher/student ratio.

In comparison, the "regular" program is 2 days a week for 3 hours (rather than 4 for 2.5 hours) and in addition to the teachers there are High School students. It's probably an elective course for them. It gives them a chance to learn about child development while helping teach the pre-schoolers some basic art, writing, math, etc. I did speak with the head of this program very briefly after DD1 was accepted in the "integrated" program and while she is new to the "regular" program and the two programs are separate she seems to think that the "integrated" program is more "advanced".

What if anything should worry me about my DD1 --who has no particular issues herself-- going to school with kids her age that do have learning disabilities and other challenges, possibly including behavioral disorders? DH isn't specific but he seems to be alluding to the possibility that she may pick up some undesirable behavior. And last night he blurted out something about not wanting her to be "labelled".

While I appreciate his concern for her I actually saw this as an opportunity to try to breed some tolerance, compassion, patience, etc. in her. I realize that sounds kind of "pie in the sky" but on the other hand, those are all important qualities for getting along in life these days.

I did tell him we could take her out of the program and he told me that it's too late because she's enjoying it and adjusting well. He seems to want to switch her to afternoons in the hope that she would have the same teacher. But how much of an adjustment would everything else be? Ultimately I guess that simply means adjusting to a new group of kids, although some of the kids go for the whole day so if she had the same teacher some of the morning kids might be there in the afternoon.

I had hoped that the morning slot would work out because after school was over he'd have the rest of the day to accomplish anything else rather than having the entire day broken up 2 1/2 hours of pre-school.

As I'm writing this it seems like the only thing to do is give him the option of at least asking if they can make the switch since --aside from DD1-- he is the one most affected either way. Then we can both live with the consequences. Of course the first time he suggested the possiblity of a switch he asked me to make the call but I'm thinking he should be the one to do it.

Sorry this was so long but I would really appreciate any feedback, perhaps BTDT on the pros and cons of being a "role model" student in an integrated program. And on how to handle DH's disatisfaction with the morning slot.

Thanks, ~Cath
post #2 of 6
As someone who worked in an integrated preschool environment, I only see the positives, as long as the ratios reflect the needs of the kids.

Kids "misbehave" because it's the only way they know to get their needs met. Hopefully the teachers are trying to teach them new ways, but it can be slow going with kids who have trouble learning/problem solving or who have really complicated needs (e.g. kids with sensory problems, or emotional disturbance).

Your daughter might experiment briefly with some of the behaviors she sees, but the behaviors won't stick -- she'll quickly realize that the other ways she has of getting her needs met are more effective and she'll go back to them. On the other hand, the other kids might experiment with her behaviors and find out that they do work, and adopt them long term.

I wouldn't be suprised if lots of people are willing to trade slots -- around her a.m. is MUCH more popular than p.m..
post #3 of 6
i want to echo the pp. i work in early intervention and haven't seen any behavior problems from the non-disabled kiddos in our integrated classrooms.

as for dh, i have no advice - mine had to do the drop off and pick up three hours later for a year when dd was in preschool - with an infant, too - since i worked mornings. he survived.
post #4 of 6
If he wants to change the time, let HIM work it out. You've gotten her in, it sounds like an excellent program.

My experience with integrated programs is that of the pps - the typically developing kids do really well. I think because there's so much more attention and specific teaching around behavioral issues (because those are the ones that are most frustrating for both parents and schools), the typical kids get really good modeling and learn great skills.

if your dh is feeling insecure about her being possibly labeled as special needs, then he needs to develop a 10 second "elevator speech" that he can use to get the point across that she's in there as a 'model' student. "We're so pleased that dd is in the integrated program because I've heard that the typically developing kids do really well too." type of thing.

If he hates the time, he gets to change it.
post #5 of 6
Thread Starter 
NAK.

Thanks for the reassuring feedback.

Assuming he does decide to try and change the time slot, how hard do you think the change would be for a three year old if she's only been there for a week or two? I'm hoping they would at least be able to keep her with the same teacher and that some of the morning kids would still be there in the afternoon.

~Cath
post #6 of 6
If it's the same teacher and the same classroom it'll be an easy switch. At that age, at least in the beginning of the year, kids are more attached to the teacher than the peers.

If it's a new teacher and room, it will probably be like starting over -- if she was clingy or shy the first few days in the mornings, she might be the same way in the afternoon. If starting in the mornings was incredibly tough I might not risk it, but if it went reasonably smoothly I wouldn't hesitate to make the switch. In my opinion school is importance, but balance at home is more important.
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