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post #1 of 22
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I am back in college at 31, 2 kids, and I did the whole homebith (hypno and water) and extended nursing, co-sleeping, blahblahblah.

Now I am a Social Work major and in one of my classes today, we were discussing pregnancy and childbirth. This was tough, because the prof had no kids, is really kind of timid, and has little experience or knowledge about these matters. I spoke up many times, because the book slanted things (sort of expected it would) toward medicalized birth.

This is a class where 98% of the students are young, unfamiliar with PG and CB and it really is not even on their radar.

Now some of the students asked questions that showed genuine interest to learn about things and the prof deferred to me a bunch, so I tried to state things without being too biased, unless it was truly a subjective sort of thing, such as explaining why I chose a water birth or hypnobirth, etc. And then those things were posed as questions of opinion anyway.

Buuuut, not everyone was being open-minded and trying to see what the opinions are out there in the world. In fact, one chickie stated that her mother had her in the Dominican Republic and she had her in a clinic because it was too risky to have a baby at home and she didn't know why anyone would.
Another guy said, "Everyone KNOWS that it is so much safer to have a baby in the hospital, so it just doesn't make sense to have a baby at home."

The girl from the Dominican Republic, I admit, I kind of have it in for her. She is in my world because she embodies all the things about me that I can't stand, such as being too mouthy when there is no place for it, being hypocritical or inauthentic (she "hates people who don't recycle because you have to respect the earth" but she smokes), and challenging people on issues just to do so. So I know that I have her around to be in my face about what I need to work on to become the best me I can.
The guy, well, he seems like me 12 years ago. Not really educated about it because he just hasn't had reason to even think about it. He doesn't seem like he was taking the stance to really be a jackass, he just doesn't know.

After these things were said, I realized it was close to the end of class so I bit my lip and let the prof finish up.

But now I am feeling compelled to say something, but I wouldn't know what, and I am not even sure if I should, or if I should just drop the whole thing.

WWYD?
post #2 of 22
Hey Momma,

I think I am a lot like you!! It is really hard for me to bite my lip when people say things like "it's safer to have a baby in the hospital"

I get very defensive and feel like I need to educate people in order to save them from OBs and the hospital!!

Maybe you could talk to your prof and ask if he wouldn't mind if you did a little presentation on your point of view. Then throw all the studies out there for your class to see!! Maybe even throw in some birth videos of great homebirths. I think if given the time to share with the class, without interruption, you could get through to some!!

HTH
Good luck!!

Katie
post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by MarineMommy View Post
Hey Momma,

I think I am a lot like you!! It is really hard for me to bite my lip when people say things like "it's safer to have a baby in the hospital"

I get very defensive and feel like I need to educate people in order to save them from OBs and the hospital!!

Maybe you could talk to your prof and ask if he wouldn't mind if you did a little presentation on your point of view. Then throw all the studies out there for your class to see!! Maybe even throw in some birth videos of great homebirths. I think if given the time to share with the class, without interruption, you could get through to some!!

HTH
Good luck!!

Katie
Oh that's funny because our names are very close, also. I'm Kate. (Although some people, sometimes, can get away with calling me Katie )

Your idea sounds really awesome! I don't see myself pulling that one off though because I see a couple stumbling blocks and I don't know how committed I would be to overcoming them. For one, I don't even know of studies or reasearch anymore - my decision was made, solidified, and that was that. I never figured I would want to try and educated people who were on the other side of the fence. I kind of thought the highly passionate point in my life (about this stuff) was gone now that my childbearing is done, you know?
The other obstacle is the audience. Would 18, 19 and 20 yo's even care right now? Think about the demographic - these are kids in college, and statistically, they are not really thinking about childbirth and pregnancy now.
It is kind of a neat fantasy though, and I think I will modify it to be when I have finished school and am working in a social work setting teaching a class to folks who I could potentially influence! That would be exciting!
But maybe I won't write if off entirely, because it could make for a pretty cool semester putting together something like that.
post #4 of 22
I almost always vote for talking
post #5 of 22
I know they are young, and they probably aren't thinking about having children but there probably are some who are thinking of it, or maybe already have children, or are even expecting and you speaking up about the choices available might make a huge difference!!
I am sure you could find lots and lots of info and studies from people on this site!!

Take care!!

Katie
post #6 of 22


I would have loved to hear this perspective when I was in college. It took getting pregnant unexpectedly to dive in and find my way. Not that that's a bad thing, but neither is exposure. GL mama! May the soapbox be with you!
post #7 of 22
LOL it was impossible for me not to speak when the psychology or A&P instructor handed out wacked information about childbirth. The A&P teacher had a twin pregnancy via IVF and was treated as a high risk and that experience for her clouded her entire lecture series on reproduction. I had my hand raised the whole time to correct her... even using the text to correct her. Aiee
post #8 of 22
Think about all those young, future social workers who will be going out into the fields thinking birthing at home is dangerous and reckless. And most of those young, future social workers will be parents one day.
The young Dominican woman? Just being pregnant and Hispanic in this country puts her at a 4-fold increased risk of dying from complications.
I'd definately speak up, even if you don't change everyone's point of view, you may at least make them think about what choices they have and how to advocate for themselves.
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by crunchyconmomma View Post
I am back in college at 31, 2 kids, and I did the whole homebith (hypno and water) and extended nursing, co-sleeping, blahblahblah.

Buuuut, not everyone was being open-minded and trying to see what the opinions are out there in the world. In fact, one chickie stated that her mother had her in the Dominican Republic and she had her in a clinic because it was too risky to have a baby at home and she didn't know why anyone would.
In the DR, it may, indeed, be more risky at home than in a clinic or hospital.
It's difficult (inaccurate) to make childbirth comparisons across contexts - in this case, comparing a developing country to the U.S.


I would find a way to speak up. Many students may not be ready to hear you, but some will be. Same with respect to the prof. (who I would speak to first, privately).

Kudos for the speaking up you've done so far. Great job!

I taught childbirth (one day in a semester-long course on child development) last fall. I had no children, although I was going through a miscarriage at the time. Turned out, it was parents' weekend, and parents attend classes with their children. (yipes! I wasn't expecting that!) I had several mothers in the class who were willing to speak up. It was great. They totally confirmed what I said about pitocin/artificial oxytocin. Some moms had done births with and without, and volunteered that it was MUCH more difficult and painful with pitocin.
post #10 of 22
I would just kindly put some reading material with homebirth safety stats in bold together for them, hand a packet to each of them and then say "I'd love to know what you think after you read these articles" I'd print one out for the teacher too and just announce before class "if anyone has any questions or would like further info on the topic we were discussing earlier in the week, see the Professor"
post #11 of 22
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The young Dominican woman? Just being pregnant and Hispanic in this country puts her at a 4-fold increased risk of dying from complications.
Oh I hope you come back on here sevenkids, because I need a clarification. does this bit I quoted mean she is at risk in the US?
post #12 of 22
Just throwing an idea in here if you DO present to the class. . .

I heard of this on a BF list I belong to. A lactation consultant was doing a BF presentation to a group of medical professionals and knew that she was going to encounter resistance to some of the ideas she would present. So she passed out red foam balls to the class, and they were allowed to "throw a rotten tomato" any time she presented something they didn't agree with Apparently it relieved the tension and kind of opened things up for honest discussion. Maybe not everyone agreed with her in the end, but it was done with much less animosity.

Jen
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by LoveChild421 View Post
I would just kindly put some reading material with homebirth safety stats in bold together for them, hand a packet to each of them and then say "I'd love to know what you think after you read these articles" I'd print one out for the teacher too and just announce before class "if anyone has any questions or would like further info on the topic we were discussing earlier in the week, see the Professor"
I love this idea!! Any chance you have some articles in mind? I'm heading up to the stickies after this post!
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Originally Posted by 2Bugs View Post
Just throwing an idea in here if you DO present to the class. . .

I heard of this on a BF list I belong to. A lactation consultant was doing a BF presentation to a group of medical professionals and knew that she was going to encounter resistance to some of the ideas she would present. So she passed out red foam balls to the class, and they were allowed to "throw a rotten tomato" any time she presented something they didn't agree with Apparently it relieved the tension and kind of opened things up for honest discussion. Maybe not everyone agreed with her in the end, but it was done with much less animosity.

Jen
This is fantastic idea that I want to keep in my bag of tricks. If it isn't used now, it will eventually be very useful. I will have to make presentations on this topic in the future for certain.
post #14 of 22
Please, please, please, ALWAYS speak up to give an alternate point of view. I'm fairly new to MDC and my knowledge of so many things has increased tremendously by reading these boards. I would have done so many things differently if I knew a year ago what I know now.

Knowledge is never wasted - even if half of your classmates don't act on what they hear, at least they will have been exposed to it and you might have planted the seed for future reseach, when they're more ready to hear it.
post #15 of 22
Oh , I hope you do speak up! It's so hard, but if you get even one person thinking outside of the box, that is a wonderful thing!
post #16 of 22
All you would have to do is show the mortality rate of the US vs the rest of the world and explain to them that the countries with the lowest mortality rate have mostly midwifes in attendance and a lot more homebirths than us. It would give them some perspective on how the US rates in childbirth despite our "Superior Medical Advancements". I think I have a link to the stats some where I will try to find it for you.
post #17 of 22
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All you would have to do is show the mortality rate of the US vs the rest of the world and explain to them that the countries with the lowest mortality rate have mostly midwifes in attendance and a lot more homebirths than us. It would give them some perspective on how the US rates in childbirth despite our "Superior Medical Advancements". I think I have a link to the stats some where I will try to find it for you.
OOOO, please let me know what you have. I am compiling some stuff, but it is slow going, so I won't be distributing anything for a few weeks yet.
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by crunchyconmomma View Post
OOOO, please let me know what you have. I am compiling some stuff, but it is slow going, so I won't be distributing anything for a few weeks yet.


Try the Homebirth resources at the top of this page (heck, just print it and give it as a hand out to the class) and the Citizens for Midwifery site; the latter has information on how to write persuasive letters to legislatures etc.
post #19 of 22
Good for you for speaking up! Hospitals are safe?? Really? Then how about all those deaths from hospital acquired infections each year? What about that poor mother who had her arms and legs amputated because of a staph infection she got when she went in to give birth?

Any hospital birth stories I heard they were always getting c sections. How many births are screwed up by interventions? My SIL lost her baby because they caused her to get pre term labor when she went in for an amnio.
post #20 of 22
I was 18 and not even close to wanting kids when I read a friend's book about birthing. I decided I'd have a home birth. Ten years later, that's what I did.

So, I wouldn't worry about the kids being too young to care You can plant that seed anytime
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