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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I had a difficult meeting with the teacher.

We were meeting to discuss programming - long story short, she cannot change how math is done (it is in the "curriculuum"), even though that way is not the best for my son (indeed, it is slowly turning him off math, which is really sad). She said she "would keep an eye on the situation", whatever that means.

She harped on and on about his disorganisation. Yes, he is disorganised, I know this. She said she was going to be "coming down hard" on this. Excuse me? I told her - there are two routes she can take with this - consequences or rewards for good behaviour. I would prefer the rewards for good behaviour. DS goes to school half days (yes, he is home-schooled half days) - The teacher said due to the time of day he comes into class - it is very difficult to find time to give out positive re-inforcement (umm...if you can find the time to "come down hard" you can find the time to do positive re-inforcement....: )

Lastly, we had a little disagreement towards the end of class. Get this:

DS's classmate spilled juice on DS's table, thus ruining his name-tag. Ds told classmate to clean it up, classmate did not, everyone packed up and went home.

Well, the teacher is mad at him for not cleaning or having his classmate clean his desk, as the desk is his responsability. Furthermore, she wants DS to create a new name tag. I told her in no uncertain terms that Sam should not be held responsable for this, that is the classmates job to clean it up and create a new name tag as it is the classmate who ruined it. ARG!

I am mostly venting. Input is welcome, but this is, mostly , a vent.

Kathy

Edited to add: She even said:
" I am a big proponent of HS. I wish I could do it, but I can't afford to"
WTF? How is this relevant? I am not sure if she has a case of sour grapes or if she is trying to hint that I should homeschool full time.
post #2 of 12
Ugghhh. That doesn't sound very nice especially the part about "coming down hard on him". I would be upset too. Sorry no advice but .
post #3 of 12
What grade is he in? That's BS on not being able to change how the math is taught. Can you homeschool him in math?
post #4 of 12
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Grade 6.

I could homeschool him in math, but he wants to go to school in the afternoon, which is when math (among other things) is. I do not think he would be game for doing math at school and at home....he likes math, but once a day is enough, kwim?

I will write a letter (a nice, but firm one!)

Kathy
post #5 of 12
Just a note on the math curriculum... honestly, she may NOT have any control over that. Part of the trade-off of teaching in a public (or private) school is that you're obligated to follow any curriculum that the district decides is "mandatory." Our district has decided that we use a certain math book in a certain order (even though that math book's language is well above most of our students' reading levels, and some teachers like to teach things in a different order)... and whine as we do, we're stuck. Some districts have gone pretty hardcore when it comes to "universalizing" instruction for math and language arts. Not sure if this is the truth where you are, but it's becoming true here . That said, teachers do still have some freedom when it comes to HOW the material is presented. I have coworkers who nominally use our district's text, but "supplement" with their own (different) stuff.

As for the rest... yeah, that's pretty harsh. If by "coming down hard," she meant "will have high expectations," then good... but she needs to find a more positive way to communicate that. "Coming down hard" sounds mean. It seems like setting specific, acheive-able goals that progress towards total organization (for example - week 1: work on keeping all work for a certain class in a certain folder, and keep nothing else in that folder, week 2 (or whenever the skill is demonstrated as mastered on a smaller level): expand that skill to other classes, etc, etc, etc...) would work better than just "coming down hard," whatever that means.

As for the juice-desk-nametag situation... Seems like the classmate slacked off in his duties. Spilled juice is no big deal, but this would have been a good opportunity to teach responsibility. The teacher missed that opportunity.
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thank you

I will include the "small achievable goal" thing in the letter....

Kathy
post #7 of 12
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Just a note on the math curriculum... honestly, she may NOT have any control over that. Part of the trade-off of teaching in a public (or private) school is that you're obligated to follow any curriculum that the district decides is "mandatory."
not so much in Canada. Even then, they can teach the mandatory & teach other methods. IE, in my dd's Grade 1 class the teacher is using 3 different methods on learning to read because not everyone learns the same way.

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I could homeschool him in math, but he wants to go to school in the afternoon, which is when math (among other things) is. I do not think he would be game for doing math at school and at home....he likes math, but once a day is enough, kwim?
okay, at home can you teach him a different way to do the same stuff but in a way that it'll click for him? A girl I used to babysit was having problems with subtraction in Grade 3. She was always off by the same amount so when she was doing her homework I had her do it in front of me. The teacher had them adding a 1 where there really did not need to be one & the girl was so confused. I spent 5 mintues showing her a different way(basically that the 1 is useless & she doesn't need it). It clicked in her head because I was showing her a slightly different method that made sense to her. She didn't have any problems after that.
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
The math issue is complicated.

The math is supposed to be interactive, and "communication based".
Essentially, the math is too easy for him, and they move too slow, and insist on a whole song and dance for each answer (which is where he loses marks). He always gets the answer right but loses marks for not doing the song and dance.

Example: please write a 1 page story that involves long division. Well...the division is right, but the story is too short and does not have a long enough explanation, that kind of thing.

I know some kids learn this way, but he doesn't...I just wish they would work with me and with his strengths, yk?

Kathy

PS I have asked for him to be tested for giftedness, but it is doubtful that will fly (and the cut-off is quite stringent) That is the only way I can get an IEP for him so accomodations/modifications can be made to the curricuulum.
post #9 of 12
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Essentially, the math is too easy for him, and they move too slow, and insist on a whole song and dance for each answer (which is where he loses marks).
ah, I see. Can you convince him to do the math his way & then fill in the song & dance after? Really he shouldn't have to bow down to them becuase he doesn't need those steps but this school doesn't sound very accomodating. Really she should be marking him on the end result since he does not need those extra steps. Are his marks in it still high enough to pass? If so then I wouldn't worry about it. He moves to a different school next year right. If not then I'd go above the teacher to the district. Get outside testing done.

My dd in Grade 2 had an issue like that in reading. She was being docked marks because she wasn't using the reading guides. She didn't need them. I asked the teacher about it & it was the TA or the Sub who had marked those sheets & she too felt it was ridiculous. She said her true marks did not reflect what the others were marking.

You just need to move out to Saskatchewan where the schools are accomodating.lol or they better be, I have a dd in Grade 1 who I don't want to use the term gifted but she's definitly advanced & should be in Grade 2. Thankfully they put her in the 1/2 split, I would have thrown a fit if they hadn't. Unfortunatly the other girl in her grade who is on the same level as her was not put in the 1/2 split, the mom didn't request the change.
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by CarrieMF View Post
What grade is he in? That's BS on not being able to change how the math is taught. Can you homeschool him in math?
Blizzard Babe said it best, but there's almost no wiggle room when it comes to curriculum here.

Kathy, what math curriculum are they using?

Jenn
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
He uses "Math Makes Sense"...I must admit, I have not studied it in person - I only know what the teacher and my DS have said about it.


kathy
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post
PS I have asked for him to be tested for giftedness, but it is doubtful that will fly (and the cut-off is quite stringent) That is the only way I can get an IEP for him so accomodations/modifications can be made to the curricuulum.
Kathy - I know that you are in Canada, so maybe it's different, but in the US, you can request the school to test, and they must comply. I don't know specifically if you can request IQ tests, but you can say that you need an educational assessment done without any reason. Maybe someone else can chime in who knows more than I do about this.
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