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Dentist's advice: is it good or bogus? (re: 21mo with cavities)  

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Advice from knowledgeable mamas would be much appreciated!

Today the local pediatric dentist looked at DS's teeth and confirmed that he has 3-4 cavities in his upper front teeth. (They got broken when he bonked his head a few months ago and decay has set in. Also one of them had a small hole in the front surface when the tooth first came in, and it now is brownish with decay as well.) She said that tooth decay is caused by a certain type of bacteria (or germs?) in the mouth, and that DH and I should not share any food or drinks with DS because then we might get tooth decay, too.

The dentist recommended brushing with fluoride, and when I told her our family doesn't use fluoride, she asked why. I just mentioned the one that I thought she'd be most likely to understand - that he would swallow the toothpaste and get fluoride in his digestive tract, which isn't healthy. She said she doesn't understand why there is so much anti-fluoride propaganda going around because if a person ingested too much fluoride they would just vomit it up.

She also wanted me to rinse out DS's mouth after every night nursing. That isn't going to happen because neither DS nor I wake up for night nursings. So I told her I could brush his teeth really well first thing in the morning and she agreed that would be better than nothing, but looked unconvinced about whether that would be sufficient to stop decay.

The dentist recommended giving DS a piece of cheddar cheese after meals to help stop decay. And giving him xylitol as a regular sweetener and possibly also the breath mints or gum. She suggested I use a xylitol toothpaste on him if I am not comfortable with fluoride.

She wants him to come back for a checkup in 3 months, at which time he will be 2 years old and she would be able to drill and fill his cavities if necessary. (She mentioned that if the decay stops by then, there will be black spots on his teeth and she suggested we might want to get them filled with white composite for cosmetic reasons, if nothing else.)

Should I use fluoride on DS? I'm unconvinced that fluoride works because DH didn't use fluoridated toothpaste as a child and he has never had a cavity (his dental hygiene isn't the best, either.) Whereas I grew up always using fluoridated toothpaste and brushing my teeth with military regularity, but I ended up getting several cavities filled.

I've been trying the "healing cavities with nutrition" and it hasn't stopped the decay. (Traditional Foods diet; 1ml daily of Blue Ice Gold Theraputics high vitamin CLO with butter oil; bone broths; stevia and xylitol as sweeteners; raw milk and kefir made from raw milk.) If the "healing cavities with nutrition" approach isn't going to work, I don't want the decay to continue unchecked until it reaches the nerves of his teeth and causes pain. What do you guys think?
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I'm not sure you can look at yours and your DH's dental histories in relation to choosing to use fluoride or not. After all, some people would say "Wow, your DH never had cavities in spite of not using fluoride, he must have really strong teeth!" and "I can't imagine how many more cavities you would have gotten if you hadn't used fluoridated toothpaste. You're lucky it was around!"

So I think you just need to decide based one what you've read, etc.. And if you're not comfortable with it, stick with a xylitol toothpaste. Or if you want to try fluoride, you could alternate between it and the xylitol or just use it once in a while.

Good luck, I hope things will look better when you take your little guy back to the dentist!
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It's not very encouraging to me (or you!) that the nutritional option hasn't worked. I've been trying to implement a few of those suggestions. I just got my CLO, and I think it tastes nasty.

Since you have cavity-prone teeth, I think it's likely that you've already passed the strep mutans bacteria to your son. So I wouldn't worry about that issue. But that's JMO.

I have mixed feelings on fluoride. I've been using fluoride on my DS since the first time I noticed he had cavities (15-16 months?). He had major dental work done at 18 months. Six months later, his new molars were fine. Six months later, they all have tiny cavities on them. Is this in spite of fluoride protection? I don't know. We also had fluoride varnish put on at each of the checkups. Some people swear that helped their kids, and I don't think ingest a huge amount of fluoride.

One other option which I think looks promising is calcium/phosphase pastes. There are a few of them out there: MI paste, Tooth Mousse, and a toothpaste I've been looking into called Oravive. (The first two have to be ordered from out of the country or obtained from your dentist). I already had some MI paste that my dentist gave me, so I've been putting a little of that on DS's brush at night.

I've become a little pessimistic about the whole thing. I've picked up several bits of advice from the threads here and am trying to implement them - but I think it's quite possible that he'll have a lifetime of cavities like my DH and I do.
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I am curious. Are you till using natural sweetners or fruit. I noticed this advice from Dr Ron Schmid to another MDC mama and son on the Curing Cavities thread--

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...69&postcount=9

Quote:
butter oil for Benjamin and Jennifer (1/2 tsp. a day)
cod liver oil (Jennifer: 2-3 tbsp., Benjamin 1 large tbsp./day)
calcium magnesium formula (2 capsules/ day…put in something he eats and me 4/ day)
Jennifer: quart raw milk a day; Benjamin as much as possible
prenatal
no honey
Me: no more than 1 piece of fruit a day
Eat mostly animal food each day
Benjamin: 1/2 piece fruit a day and no honey
Lots of raw butter
I am hoping this kind of approach works because I have struggled with decay in the past.

s Jen
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