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post #1 of 122
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I sometimes browse through Rebecca Rupp's Home Learning Year by Year. I love the book and think it has great resources, but sometimes I get a bit panicked because I feel like we are wayyyy behind in some areas. For instance, does your 6yo (first grader) know stuff like:

- Fractions
- What a synonyn, antonym, and hononym is
The definition of democracy, the duties of the President, the meaning behind symbols such as the flag, the American Eagle and the Statue of Liberty
- The literary terms "plot, setting, characters, hero and heroine"
- Count to 100 by 2s, 5s and 10s
- Use tally marks for counting
- Understand place value for 1s 10s and 100s
- Know about famous Americans - Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Susan B. Anthony, etc.
- The Maya, Aztec and Inca civilizations
- The American Revolution
- Major world religions
- The world's major oceans, continents, and northern and southern hemispheres
- Animal classification (classes, families, etc.)
- Three major kinds of rocks
- Rhythm, melody, pitch, dynamics, tempo and timbre
- Strings, bass, woodwinds, percussion

I mean, my 6yo has a basic understanding of some of this stuff, but we've never discussed democracy, or major world religions, or the Aztecs, or animal classifications, or who Benjamin Franklin was. He can count by 2s to 10, but that's about it. He can write all his uppercase letters, but not really his lowercase. He knows what 1/2 of something is, and can identify that "one quarter" is 1/4 just from cooking, but I don't think he knows that 4 of them equal a whole.

I know you can't really compare one to one like this - he knows tons of stuff that isn't on that list, and lots that is. He can tell you all about planets, recycling, pollution, trains, etc. He can do basic math (addition and subtraction up to 10), knows the sounds the letters make and has tons of site words, can sound out simple words, but doesn't know "blends."

I guess I'm just feeling paranoid and wondering if other homeschooled kids his age know all this stuff.
post #2 of 122
Yes.........but my almost-6yo is also Little Man Tate going to a Montessori. The kid knows more than I do!

My 8yo only knows about 3/4 of that list.
post #3 of 122
My almost five year old knows some of this, but I imagine there's a lot of it she won't know at six. Honestly, there are things on that list that I wouldn't want to be tested on! I'm sure I learned most of these facts in school, but they're the types of things I memorized for tests and then promptly forgot again. I guess I wonder what the point of most of that is, unless the kid is showing a definite interest in the subject?
post #4 of 122
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Originally Posted by KoalaMama View Post
My almost five year old knows some of this, but I imagine there's a lot of it she won't know at six. Honestly, there are things on that list that I wouldn't want to be tested on! I'm sure I learned most of these facts in school, but they're the types of things I memorized for tests and then promptly forgot again. I guess I wonder what the point of most of that is, unless the kid is showing a definite interest in the subject?
That's what I was thinking, but then thought that maybe I was just deluding myself! I mean honestly, I would have a really hard time telling you about Mayans vs. Incas, or defining "timbre."

I guess I'm just trying to calm my panic!
post #5 of 122
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Originally Posted by oceanbaby View Post
I sometimes browse through Rebecca Rupp's Home Learning Year by Year. I love the book and think it has great resources, but sometimes I get a bit panicked because I feel like we are wayyyy behind in some areas. For instance, does your 6yo (first grader) know stuff like:

- Fractions
- What a synonyn, antonym, and hononym is
The definition of democracy, the duties of the President, the meaning behind symbols such as the flag, the American Eagle and the Statue of Liberty
- The literary terms "plot, setting, characters, hero and heroine"
- Count to 100 by 2s, 5s and 10s
- Use tally marks for counting
- Understand place value for 1s 10s and 100s
- Know about famous Americans - Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Susan B. Anthony, etc.
- The Maya, Aztec and Inca civilizations
- The American Revolution
- Major world religions
- The world's major oceans, continents, and northern and southern hemispheres
- Animal classification (classes, families, etc.)
- Three major kinds of rocks
- Rhythm, melody, pitch, dynamics, tempo and timbre
- Strings, bass, woodwinds, percussion
umm, no, and I don't have any desire for her to "know" this stuff at 6 years old. I can make a laundry list of what she does know, but it would take too long. It's not a list of arbitrary factoids, either.

I can't stand lists like this, it is precisely why we homeschool. If I wanted her to regurgitate facts I'd send her to public school.
post #6 of 122
Here's a thread in which this sort of thing was discussed:
Linda Dobson/Rebecca Rupp Books

Someone explained that the book was just listing the "shoulds" that the public schools endorse - that it offers more interesting ways of accomplishing those things, but doesn't say they're things that should necessarily actually be covered at those ages. I agreed - because I had spoken with the author while she was writing the book, and she was hoping to make that clear. So it's a good thing to keep in mind. And it's a good thing to keep in mind that most school children haven't learned most of that stuff by those ages either! That's just a school "wish list," but it's quite unrealistic.

Mine didn't know most of it by that age, by the way - and it didn't mattter one little bit in the long run or the big picture. Lillian
post #7 of 122
Mine can count to 100 by 2,5,10, has done tally marks, and understands place value. She knows George Washington was our first president and knows the president is kind of in charge of the country. She recognizes the names of the oceans and continents, though she probably couldn't recite them if asked. We've worked on synonym, homonym, and antonym, but again, I don't know if she would remember them by those names. She knows the American Revolution was when the US fought for independence from England. She knows that not everyone is a Christian, but not about the other religions, though she knows there are other religions. And she has worked a little bit on the music stuff.

But my daughter doesn't know all these things just because I think she should. A lot of it has come up in conversation or when we're working on other things. You know, where she looks at money and asks whose heads are on them and then asks who the guys were and why their heads are on money. And I certainly don't think that all 6 yr old should know this stuff. I don't think all 6 yr olds should even necessarily be reading.

Go at your child's pace and make sure they know it well. So many things taught at public schools don't stick because the kids figure they only need to know it to pass the test and can then forget it.

Crystal
post #8 of 122
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Originally Posted by moonshoes View Post
umm, no, and I don't have any desire for her to "know" this stuff at 6 years old. I can make a laundry list of what she does know, but it would take too long. It's not a list of arbitrary factoids, either.

I can't stand lists like this, it is precisely why we homeschool. If I wanted her to regurgitate facts I'd send her to public school.
I feel the same way. But it doesn't seem to insulate me from periodic panic attacks!
post #9 of 122
What are the 3 major types of rock?

I find lists like that funny. My friend's 4th grade son (who attends school) had a test last week where he had to list the oceans, so I'm thinking that kids have a few years to memorize this stuff. He got them all wrong because he forgot to write the word "ocean" after the names. He just wrote Pacific, Atlantic, and so on and that was *wrong*. I don't think that getting hung up on whether or not a 6 year old can list them makes any more sense that telling a 9 year old he got them all wrong. It's all nutty to me! :

My kids are 9 and 10 and would say it is a silly question, because it's all one big ocean anyway. They know a lot about oceanography, but I don't know that they could rattle off the oceans.

I think that at 6 it is enough to think that maps and globes are cool, and to look up places at they come up in books or on the news. I think it is more important how many things a child cares about than how many factoids they've memorized.

I think that list are only good if you use them to give you ideas for fun things to do. For example, your son might enjoy learning more about fractions with water and measuring cups. He understands a little right now, and he could build on it bit in really fun ways.
post #10 of 122
Such wise pp's
post #11 of 122
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
What are the 3 major types of rock?

Sedimentary
Igneous
Metamorphic
:


Guess when I learned that...














that's right--this year when reading a book to my homeschooled children. Ha!
post #12 of 122
If it makes you feel any better, my 5 3/4yo first grader, who DOES attend school, doesn't know all these things either.

Fractions yes
- What a synonyn, antonym, and hononym isno, not by those terms anyway. He does understand the underlying concepts.
The definition of democracy, the duties of the President, the meaning behind symbols such as the flag, the American Eagle and the Statue of Libertyabsolutely not
- The literary terms "plot, setting, characters, hero and heroine"nope
- Count to 100 by 2s, 5s and 10syes
- Use tally marks for counting sort of
- Understand place value for 1s 10s and 100s this gets him SO confused!
- Know about famous Americans - Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Susan B. Anthony, etc.He knows about Washington- or anyway he did around last President's day
- The Maya, Aztec and Inca civilizationsno
- The American Revolution no
- Major world religionshe knows that he has a Muslim friend and that Christians decorate for Christmas during the winter.
- The world's major oceans, continents, and northern and southern hemispheresno
- Animal classification (classes, families, etc.) he knows about mammals and "not mammals"- a child who nursed til 4 is very interested in which baby animals get milk!
- Three major kinds of rocksno
- Rhythm, melody, pitch, dynamics, tempo and timbreno
- Strings, bass, woodwinds, percussionno

I wonder if that's supposed to be a "know by the end of first grade" list or a "know at the beginning of first grade" list.
post #13 of 122
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
What are the 3 major types of rock?
igneous, metamorphic, & sedimentary

op: I went to public school & I didn't learn most of the social studies stuff on that list until 4th/5th grade & some not until middle school, and I never learned some of the music stuff (what's timbre? off to wikipedia for me!). I figure if our kids are learning, that's what matters. WHAT they're learning is only important in the assessment of if they're having fun or not. That's why I love the idea of home schooling. I don't have to worry about Andy getting bored because his class is studying butterflies while he wants to study stars. We're a few years off from that, of course, but it's the principle of the thing that gets me all excited.
post #14 of 122
I could only come up with igneous and sedimentary. For some reason I always want to say "cretaceous" is the third kind of rock. However, I know that cretaceous is actually an era, thanks to my four-year-old dinosaur obsessed son. Who, BTW, is still trying to figure out who *we* think God is, let alone the rest of the world's population. I just can't imagine him getting from the level of knowledge he is at now, to the level this book is talking about, in 2 short years. And I consider my son to be a freaking genius.
post #15 of 122
They knew some of it, but not all of it. It just wasn't important or it hadn't come up yet.
post #16 of 122
Fractions ...I still have a hard time with basic fractions even though I breezed through Calculus

What a synonyn, antonym, and hononym is ...hmmm, WHAT are those? (seriously *I* don't remember what a hononym is!)

The definition of democracy, the duties of the President, the meaning behind symbols such as the flag, the American Eagle and the Statue of Liberty ...again, I don't know this without some SERIOUS thinking or looking it up: personally, I find the ability to FIND the answers to be the single most important thing

The literary terms "plot, setting, characters, hero and heroine" ...these, yes, but so much by definition: she's not yet 6 though

Count to 100 by 2s, 5s and 10s ...my kiddo does this by whispering the "non" numbers & yelling the "right" ones

Use tally marks for counting ...I do this for my own sake & she hates it, but she's capable of doing so :

Understand place value for 1s 10s and 100s ...Yes, this was our summer Hogwarts Arithmancy assignment :

Know about famous Americans - Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Susan B. Anthony, etc. ...nope

The Maya, Aztec and Inca civilizations ...sort of, but in the context of this region being taught with other Native American + Aboriginal, etc. cultures, so these in particular are still considered a "same" group to her

The American Revolution ...she can tell you all about Mary Pope Osbourne's version

Major world religions ...that's what Spirit Play at the Unitarian Universalist church is for

The world's major oceans, continents, and northern and southern hemispheres ...a few months ago, yes -- not sure how much she still remembers, though?

Animal classification (classes, families, etc.) ...without knowing that it's called Classification

Three major kinds of rocks ...yes, thanks to the Museum of the Earth 5 miles down the road!

Rhythm, melody, pitch, dynamics, tempo and timbre ...this is lame, but after a decade of private music instruction, I've discovered that I can't even define/explain these : we can both get by on the meanings + use without having to be strict about the proper definitions

Strings, bass, woodwinds, percussion ...yes: thanks Kindermusic & Little Einsteins
post #17 of 122
My 6yo knows a few of those things. I have that book too, and after I got over my own paranoia, I realize Rupp should actually have said that children should be exposed to these things (or some of them) - not have to *know* them at 6yo. I had the kids in school and many things they had to cover was done by one easy worksheet or coloring page and maybe a short discussion. The kids didn't really come away *knowing* much about the subject. First-graders definitely do not have major tests on igneous rocks and Aztec civilization.

I use the book for ideas on fun things to do or stuff to talk about. She has some cool ideas in there. Don't put too much weight on the topics, though.
post #18 of 122
nope nope nope to most all of it....and i like that answer! she's just in kindergarten this year and just now really learning about the globe and maps, etc. and imo it would have been completely NUTso to have introduced such concepts as listed above any earlier. she can do some of the things - but WHO CARES! my dd does understand some fractions - but she has no idea at all they are even called fractions....to her it's just cooking and measuring. my daughter is wonderful and extremely intellegent & i feel no need to say she "should" know one thing on that dumb list as a child in kindergarten. yep i said dumb list. lol. it is so annoying to me (like i want to scream!!!) when authors make up some list as if education is some sort of race. my daughter and my son will grow up to be educated in all of those things - i have no doubts. i homeschool my children so they can learn and grow -- not just "know" (yep, i made that little rhyme up just now! )
post #19 of 122
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What a synonyn, antonym, and hononym is ...hmmm, WHAT are those? (seriously *I* don't remember!)
Synonym: words that have the same meaning, i.e. small, tiny, minute, itty bitty

antonym: words that have opposite meanings, i.e. happy, sad

homonym: words that sound the same but have different meanings and spellings, i.e. too, two, to

I am a total language geek.
post #20 of 122
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Originally Posted by moonshoes View Post
umm, no, and I don't have any desire for her to "know" this stuff at 6 years old. I can make a laundry list of what she does know, but it would take too long. It's not a list of arbitrary factoids, either.

I can't stand lists like this, it is precisely why we homeschool. If I wanted her to regurgitate facts I'd send her to public school.
:! ITA! Don't know where you're located, OP, but in PA you don't have to start reporting until age 8 anyway, unless the child was in the school system before--not including Kindergarten. So why worry if he/she knows these things? :
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