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Poll Results: Santa Claus: yes or no

 
  • 61% (164)
    Yes
  • 27% (75)
    No
  • 10% (29)
    Other (not sure of what an other might be, but I'm sure someone has one!)
268 Total Votes  
post #121 of 160
I love holiday traditions like decorating and baking cookies and making candy. I love the songs and stories though I'm no longer Christian. We don't have kids yet, but we've decided we will not do Santa. I want to teach my children about the generosity and caring spirit of our fellow beings in a more real sense. Like what can we do for one another to brighten our lives etc. Not that I don't love the magic of wishes and dreams. It's a tough issue. My family thinks we're crazy and they do Santa, so it will be tricky if any nieces/nephews are still young enough by the time I have kids (hopefully sooner than later!).

Santa is one of those issues that stick with me. Learning the truth about Santa was one of the first big letdowns in my life. I could not believe my parents would lie to me like that year after year. They enjoyed the game so much that I didn't tell them the jig was up for a few years. There has to be a way to capture the magic of living without lying. And I know that may be harsh so I say to each their own about this kind of thing.
post #122 of 160
First of all, we are not xtian. Second of all, it's lying.


I have every bad memories of the discovery of being lied to as a kid. It still leaves me feeling bitter.
post #123 of 160
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Originally Posted by emdeecee_sierra View Post
Yes.
Because magic is good.
As a Pagan I agree wholeheartedly that magic is good stuff! I just think that lying is not good. And telling my kid a guy actually delivers gifts to our house when he does not is a lie.

I have no problem with others doing Santa however they wish...but the "we do because we believe in magic" or "it's magical!" comment always comes up for the pro santa folks. You can have magic without him too. Just saying...
post #124 of 160
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Originally Posted by orangebird View Post
We are a Jewish atheist house and we do santa

It is a totally American secular thing and the kids think it's fun.
I agree. We're not Christian either but we celebrate Christmas in a secular way. Santa is a part of that. Santa was a big part of the magic of my childhood and I won't deny that wonderful experience to my DD. I also will do the Tooth fairy, fairies in general, trolls, gnomes, unicorns...I don't see anything "wrong" with it.
post #125 of 160
I wonder why some kids felt so betrayed when they found out there was no Santa, and others weren't bothered at all. I was one who wasn't bothered at all. My parents were very honest with us, very respectful, and at a certain age when I asked my dad if Santa was real he told me the truth. I think I was probably 7 or so. But I went along with it for my younger sister, and when she found out (the same way) it didn't bother her either.

My parents never used it in a manipulative way - we never had to "be good" or any of that crap. The didn't play it up, but they definitely did it.

It was such a strange evolution for us. I had never really thought about not doing Santa. Then the Christmas when ds1 was 2.5yo, I started to say the words, and I literally couldn't make them come out. Telling my son that a guy was flying through the air, coming down our chimney and leaving gifts was just too outrageous for me. So I let it drop and ds1 was ignorant about the whole thing.

Next year he was in preschool. I hadn't yet decided what to do, when one day he came home telling me about Santa. He stated definitively that Santa was real, and my only options were to go along with it or burst his bubble. And I went along with it.

So here we are 2 years later, doing Santa. I don't play it up, we most certainly do not do the whole good/bad thing. I think it's just fine to do Christmas without Santa, but I have such beautiful memories of peeking around the corner and seeing the presents, and remembering the thrill of the magic.

But I still think it's a lie, and hopefully it's the only one I'll ever tell my kids.
post #126 of 160
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Originally Posted by ColoradoMama View Post
*ahem* not all of us choose to forego telling our children that santa is real because of religious convictions. I can see that this is a "hot button" for you, but good grief - that came across REALLY judgmental. So what if some people focus on the religious part? For some people it is a very religious holiday. FWIW - I remember Christmas as a very magical time of year - putting up the tree, the snow over the Christmas lights, making fudge with my mom, coming home from school to smell the most wonderful holiday smells, putting cloves in oranges and hanging them all over the house, the candles, the carols. Actually, the only part I remember as annoying and lacking in magic was the santa part. I loved the santa part so much more once I could stop pretending that I thought it was real. The family time, the beautiful decorations, the songs, etc. - these are all magical parts of Christmas. Nobody has to "do" santa to have a magical Christmas.

p.s. Those of us who don't "do" santa get just as sick of hearing about how it's taking away the magic.
I'm sorry it sounds judgmental....I really am. But I also meant what I said. I didn't say focusing on religion is wrong, I said it bothered me that people used that as a reason to not "do santa". And it DOES bother me!! I also said I dont care whatsoever what you do at your house with your family. You can believe in the great flying ghost of christmas past if you want. Doesnt effect me. But it DOES make me sad to think that kids are missing out on something that was so special to my life. It IS the magic part of christmas for me, so I am sad to think kids wont have that? KWIM? Not that its the "right" thing...just that I would love to share that happy, giddy feeling I get from the magic of santa and I cant. Introspective emotional sharing.

Thats all! Just to be clear. I am entitled to my opinion surely as you are entitled to yours and it is NOT judgement....you might be the one person here who could be my best friend (for all I know) and not doing santa wouldnt change that. Im answering the poll honestly
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Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
I'm glad you enjoy your tradition, but to say that others are depriving their children because they don't do things how you do? That's just outright wrong and rude. Nor do I believe it's sweet, innocent, or magical. I knew I was being lied to as a child and I hated it.

We don't do santa. We give each other gifts and have fun doing that. There's no reason for us to bring in a mythical characture to bring gifts as well. We give gifts to each other on Christmas because we love each other and we want to do it for each other. We have fun that way just fine. We celebrate the season, the beauty, and the close family.
Again, sorry if it came off rude. I DO think its sweet, innocent and magical and I DO feel like kids are being deprived of that (isnt that the meaning of deprived? to have something withheld?). So what? I can think that and you can think Im totally wrong and life goes on and nothing is worse for it.

See above. Im only answering the thread honestly. I have no intention of self righteousness...just sharing my feelings.
post #127 of 160
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Originally Posted by Stinkerbell View Post
Thats all! Just to be clear. I am entitled to my opinion surely as you are entitled to yours and it is NOT judgement....you might be the one person here who could be my best friend (for all I know) and not doing santa wouldnt change that. Im answering the poll honestly
Never said you WERE being judgmental. I said your posted came across very judgmental. It is hard to convey tone in writing! You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. I'd never try to take that away from you. BTW - no need to feel sorry for my children. They're incredibly happy kids who love to experience that magic that is in the world. They're not missing out on anything.
post #128 of 160
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Originally Posted by oceanbaby View Post
I wonder why some kids felt so betrayed when they found out there was no Santa, and others weren't bothered at all. I was one who wasn't bothered at all. My parents were very honest with us, very respectful, and at a certain age when I asked my dad if Santa was real he told me the truth. I think I was probably 7 or so. But I went along with it for my younger sister, and when she found out (the same way) it didn't bother her either.
Just to be clear - I never felt betrayed. I knew they were trying to do something nice for me. I just thought it was kind of dumb, and I felt like an idiot pretending!
post #129 of 160
Yes, but I have heard too many stories about kids being horribly scarred by the Santa myth to make it a "real" pretend thing. Instead we'll handle it in the same way we handle other myths, legends, and religions - as something interesting, fun, and historical, but with more active participation than some other myths (for example, we won't be re-enacting any Greek myths every year). We'll instruct our kids to be sensitive to other children and not tell them Santa isn't real, since some kids do believe it.

I would have thought the Santa trauma wasn't real if my dh hadn't told me he cried when he found out, and did feel betrayed. I was really surprised. I figured it out because my mom's handwriting was the same as Santa's, and so I finally asked her one year. I wasn't embarrassed or hurt or traumatized, and I didn't feel like my parents had been lying to me or betrayed me. I still get presents from my mom from Santa.

But I don't want any of my kids to have the same issue dh had, so we won't do Santa as real. Hopefully then we get all the fun without any of the trauma, and the kid can still make-believe and pretend and dream and imagine about Santa without having an issue down the road.
post #130 of 160
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Originally Posted by ColoradoMama View Post
Never said you WERE being judgmental. I said your posted came across very judgmental. It is hard to convey tone in writing! You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. I'd never try to take that away from you. BTW - no need to feel sorry for my children. They're incredibly happy kids who love to experience that magic that is in the world. They're not missing out on anything.
I dont know if I feel sorry for them...I think I feel sorry for myself for not being able to share it : A good visual of me: skipping across the country in a boho dress sprinkling magic-happy-fairy dust on the world. I'm naturally giddy.
post #131 of 160
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Originally Posted by Stinkerbell View Post
I dont know if I feel sorry for them...I think I feel sorry for myself for not being able to share it : A good visual of me: skipping across the country in a boho dress sprinkling magic-happy-fairy dust on the world. I'm naturally giddy.
That is quite a visual you portray! You're free to share it with my kiddos. We actually do a lot of santa stuff - pictures, etc., we just tell them up front that it is all for fun and not real - we're playing pretend. So, maybe I didn't answer the poll entirely correctly.
post #132 of 160
So without santa there is no magic?

Oh vomit.

We have so much magic in our Christmas it isn't even funny.

Even as atheists we had fun and magic in our christmas. It's called FAMILY. We decorate cookies, buy and wrap gifts to and from each other. We look forward to christmas eve dinner and christmas breakfast. Phone calls from friends and family, special packages in the mail. And hopefully- snow.

The magic isn't in Santa it's inside US.
post #133 of 160
Yes, but.....

When the kids ask questions, I always say "what do YOU think?" So far, they both think that Santa lives at the North Pole, and can't really see and hear them, but does somehow know what they want for Christmas. I'm kind of hoping that my older one figures it out this year or next, and that my younger one figures out soon thereafter. I don't like the whole concept, but I also don't want to spoil the fun.... oh yeah, and DH would be livid if I told them the truth about it. He feels more strongly pro-Santa than I do anti-Santa, so for now, we're doing the Santa thing.
post #134 of 160
No, never have, for several reasons.

1) We don't want to lie to the kids. I was not traumatized by finding out about SC, but still felt uncomfortable lying. DH and I told the children, when they asked, that Santa was just pretend, but that if their friends' families wanted to do Santa Claus, it would be rude to tell them he wasn't real. We saw no reason to spoil things for pro-Santa families.

2) Because of religious issues. SC is derived from St. Nicholas, whom we have a great deal of reverence for, and including Santa in our celebration seemed disrespectful. Associating St. Nicholas with magic is also, in our view, bad.

4) Since we celebrate Christmas on January 7, the usual cultural associations of the Nativity of Christ with things like Santa Claus, elves, reindeer, etc. are even more removed from the actual holiday. On Dec. 25, we are fasting for Advent. It allows us to maintain Christmas as a religious holiday rather than a purely secular one, and makes Santa rather irrelevant to the occasion.
post #135 of 160
My child associated Santa with xmas only because dc saw santa in malls, etc. Dc heard from people that santa brings presents but I never really told dc that. I said "you'll get presents for Christmas/Solstice".

Months ago, when dc was 4 1/2, the question finally came out.
Dc asked "Is Santa real?". I said no. I said it's a person in a costume.
And that was that.

There's lots of magic in the season for us...It just takes different form.
post #136 of 160
Love Santa!! The spirit of sharing, goodness, giving to others...it's great! We go light on the commercialism, heavy on the 'do good to others' theme. Santa is part of the pantheon of Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, Car Fairy, Leprachauns, etc.
post #137 of 160
What's the Car Fairy? I haven't heard of it.
post #138 of 160
other - We're Christians and focus on celebrating Christ. We tell them the story of Santa Claus, but don't tell them he's real.
post #139 of 160
We celebrate the Santa Spirit. When you give purely for the joy of giving, with no expectation of acknowledgement or reciprocation, then you are filled with the Santa Spirit!

Anyone can help the Santa Spirit... Mom and Dad, the guys dressed up on the corner ringing bells, grandparents, Christmas carolers, people who donate to food banks... everyone!

A few years back, my youngest asked if he could help Santa, too. On his own initiative, he got things to put in each person's stocking. He giggled when people opened them, but I don't think anyone besides me ever knew.

So Santa things are always wonderful surprises in our house, and everyone who wants to gets to share in creating the magic.
post #140 of 160
here is the recipe for magic reindeer food -- note it is written to be printed up FOR THE CHILD --

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Magic Reindeer Food


Make this simple recipe a few days ahead so that it is ready for Christmas Eve. Remember that reindeer have very small appetites and many homes to visit, so you only need to put about a cup out on the front lawn for them to eat. Share the remainder of the recipe with your family and friends.

In a very large bowl and with very clean hands, stir together
2 big handfuls of mini-pretzels, 1 cup of cocktail peanuts, 2 cups of toasted
oat O-shaped cereal, 2 cups of crisp rice cereal squares, and 1 cup of red
cinnamon candies. Your Mom or Dad can help with the measuring.

In a glass bowl, place 1 package of white chocolate candy coating
(usually 8 squares). Can you count to eight all by yourself?
With Mom or Dad helping, heat the chocolate in the microwave
for 90 seconds. Stir until it is smooth.


Pour the melted chocolate over the other ingredients and stir just to cover. (Mixture will be lightly covered and not coated.) Spread the mixture onto waxed paper. Then sprinkle with red and green sugars.


When completing cool, break the mixture into pieces and store in
an airtight container until you are ready to feed the reindeer!

Note to Mom or Dad: You can use any combination of cereals and nuts for the dry mixture and leave out the candies all together if you wish. The white chocolate coating is also sometimes called almond bark in grocery or discount stores. You can also use white chocolate candy pieces.
have some fun --
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