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post #1 of 19
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My oldest son is in kindy. He loves it and his teacher seems nice. We're vegetarian, so on the food allergy card I indicated that and also let her know that includes no marshmallows (gelatin) and she did well on rice krispy treat snack and gave him something else. All the parents have to provide enough individually packaged snacks for the class. Most of the afternoon snacks are gummy fruit snacks, oreo cookies, chocolate chip cookies, with the occasional cheez it cracker stuck in there. It's not my preference, but okay.

They have a behavior system and when the class is doing well, they can earn stars in the "star jar". When there are 24 stars (number of kids in class), the class gets a star jar party. For the first one, the teacher made puppy chow (the chocolate chip/peanut butter/powdered sugar cereal thing). My son told me yesterday that they earned their last star for the star jar party so they were having the party on Monday and the teacher is making frosted cupcakes. He said they couldn't do it tomorrow (today) because they were doing something else. I asked him what and he said they're making root beer floats. His teacher said she'll keep the ice cream in the cafeteria freezer and they'll make them in the afternoon. I asked him what the occasion was and he said none, his teacher just asked everyone if they thought it would be fun. My son has never had soda. I'm annoyed because while we do have treats, we bake them ourselves and try to make them a bit more healthy (vegan baking, wheat flour, less sugar, etc). If he's going to have treats, I'd prefer to be the one to give them. I feel strange asking for ds to be left out though because even though he's never had a root beer float, he's totally caught up in the excitement and can't wait. There's so much talk about helping kids make healthy choices now while they're young to hopefully avoid struggles later, yet they're being given crap several times a week. There will be 24 cupcake/cookie days for birthdays, plus holiday parties. It just all adds up to a lot of junk. I'm not sure what to do or how (or if) I should approach the teacher. I don't really feel like I'm over-reacting because even dh and my best girlfriend are pretty shocked and they're usually the ones telling me something isn't that big of a deal and it will be fine. At the parents meeting night, the teacher did say that she has a sweet tooth and doesn't limit snacks that parents can bring in like some teachers, but come on! I think the extra sugary stuff probably has a lot to do with the sometimes out of control behaviour he has when he gets home. He isn't like that on days off of school or on the days they have cheese crackers and no extra sugary treats.

My other thing is about movies. Apparently they have movie day on Monday and Friday afternoon. It's on their regular schedule. It's about an hour that they watch a video. My problem here is that we don't watch a ton of tv, even less on school days. The superintendent of the schools even does a radio commercial here about healthy food choices and limiting screen time to no more than one hour a day during the school week. Then the teachers go and use up that entire hour. I remember seeing movies in school but it was like once in every 9 week period, not twice a week.

The last thing, and maybe I'm just too sensitive about it, is that when I picked him up last Friday, she stood right behind my son and told me they did an informal speech eval of all the kids and they were going to have him looked at further. I was surprised because he did speech therapy for two years and finished just about a year ago with articulation well beyond his calendar age. She said it wasn't artic, but that he says "um" and "uh" and "well" and takes forever to get a story out. It just seems weird to me to say that in front of the kid. He does take a long time, but his speech therapist said she believed it was because he had so much going on in his head and his brain was processing faster than his mouth could speak. He doesn't do it all the time in everyday speaking. It just seemed like something that should have been done by note home or an email.

Would anyone approach the teacher about anything (especially the food) or am I over-reacting? If you would approach, do you have any good ideas for not coming off as always complaining or being too critical of her?
post #2 of 19
no, you are not overreacting. I am a teacher and I am horrified that she has so much sugar foods in her room, that she watches movies so regularly, and that she spoke so openly right in front of your dh. I would make an appointment with the principal and discuss your concerns. This woman is not acting professionally. She is treating her job more as if she is a babysitter trying to ply the kids with lots of fun and treats so they don't act up. In my former school district, we had rules against all of what she has done. It is the principal's job to talk to teachers when they have done so much wrong. Make an appt with the principal, share your concerns, and then ask for a followup appt or phone call to find out what the principal did. I bet you are not alone in complaining about her. You could even come armed with specific suggestions like:

snacks should have a minimum of sugar and artificial stuff and be heavy on the fruit and veggie spectrum

movies should be limited to at most once a month

sugary treats should be limited to parties not weekly

she should be teaching the children about nutrition so they don't get diabetes from all the sugar she has been feeding them

she should NEVER speak about a child's diagnosis or grades or anything private in front of the child or in a public place


good luck!
post #3 of 19
I'm shocked about all the sugary treats. I work in a school and we're not allowed to give the kids sugary things (although teachers will OCCASIONALLY break the rule with a lollipop or something as a reward).

As for the movies, are they real movies? or are they educational videos?

I dont know any real movies that last only an hour. If it's something educational that they then later use in class I guess I could understand that (although an hour video for Kindy kids seems a bit long).

I agree she should have never discussed his speech in front of him.

I would talk to her if I were you.
post #4 of 19
yikes! I don't think you are overreacting, but I don't know what to do about any of it. Is she a really young teacher? It's hard to me to imagine why anyone would want to deal with that many young children who are wired on sugar.

The movie thing would really bother me. What kind of films are the watching? Are they in any way tied into learning goals for the year or units they are working on?

You might double post on the learning at school board to get input from some of the many former teachers who hang out on MDC but don't have kids in this age group.
post #5 of 19
I'm shocked too. I'm in Cal. and it's against the District rules in all of the districts around here ( San Diego County) to have sugar treats. In fact, bringing things from home is discouraged. EVerything must be store bought and from an approved list. Things on it are stuff like yogurts, carrot sticks, cheese and crackers. This is just for "parties and events" though as parents provide their own child's snack. Snack is not shared or provided as a whole to the entire class.

Movies are also strictly prohibited here too. I mean, geez, with all of the NCLB and all of the academic stuff they "need" to accomplish in the modern day Kindergarten, I can't imagine how there is time for MOVIES. I would be pissed and would go to a Schoolboard meeting and address it.

And to the last, I would ask the teacher to please send you a note or request a meeting to discuss things concerning your child. I wouldn't be pleased about that either.

I'm sorry you are having a bad year so far, but you are NOT overeacting AT.ALL. Where are you located? I just can't even imagine any of those things happening around here.
post #6 of 19
I'm rather shocked at the treats as well. We have to provide daily snacks here for our child. In the first couple weeks there were several notes sent home specifically asking that children not be sent to school with sweets or sugary drinks for a snack. They have also watched exactly one half hour movie and they have been in school a month. It was a Clifford show and they got to see it when they were rained in for recess.
post #7 of 19
I would talk to her. I wouldn't worry about the birthday/holiday treats, but to add a sugary treat every afternoon on top of that seems over the top -- the daily snack should be healthy.

And hour-long movies twice a week for kindergarteners? That's crazy. Isn't their whole day only 3-4 hours long? So they're spending 25% to 33% of their whole school day twice a week watching TV. I'm far from an anti-sweets or -TV person, but I would be really unhappy if that's the way my DS's kindy classroom were being run.

I'm not sure how you can address these problems without sounding critical, but they do need to be addressed. Can you speak with other parents and see if others feel the same way you do? Maybe you could have (gentle) strength in numbers when speaking with the teacher.
post #8 of 19
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We lucked out and they didn't have time for the rootbeer float today. They're having it tomorrow instead. My son did say that he asked his teacher if he could just have the ice cream since he doesn't drink soda. Yay for him! But her answer..."Well, we'll talk about that later." ??? What is she going to do, entice him to have the soda too? So I decided to write a note to let her know that he doesn't drink soda and to please just give him ice cream. I'd prefer no ice cream too, but since it's tomorrow and I don't have a lot of time to think about what to do so ds feels included, it's at least a compromise. I *really* don't want him to have soda. Dh and I are trying to quit drinking it because it's such a bad habit. We rarely drink it in front of the boys, but we've been really honest with them about how unhealthy it is on the few times one of us had some. They like to smell things and think it smells awful so they have no desire to try it at this point.

Apparently there's another issue to bring up in the note though. Ds was telling me about his day and casually mentioned the kid that throws wood chips (mulch) at him and his friend. I guess this kid throws it at the little girl my son is friends with and since my son told him last week that it wasn't nice, he throws it at my son too. My son said he tells the recess supervisor and they keep telling him to just stay away from the other kid. I asked him today what the supervisors were doing and why they didn't tell the kid to stop and he said they were talking with each other. My son is pretty accurate about things and I'm pretty sure he's being truthful. He told me that the kid throwing wood chips at him made his recess the most bad part of his day because instead of playing, he had to watch out for where this boy was. The teacher isn't the one out there, they have parents that work at the school over lunch who are the supervisors. I think I'll start the letter out asking if she can mention the woodchip incidents to the supervisors so they can keep an eye on things, and end the letter with "Also, ds mentioned that you'll all be having root beer floats today. He doesn't drink soda, so if he can have just the ice cream, that would be great." I'm not sure if I should address the general suckiness of snacks in the same letter or not.

Oh, someone asked about movies. Not long movies like Finding Nemo or anything. They see a couple Curious George videos or Arthur or something else. So it's two videos that equal an hour.

And someone asked about how long she's been a teacher. I'm not sure. I think she's done it for awhile. She's in her late 40's or early 50's, I think.
post #9 of 19
Hmm...

When I taught elementary school (granted, it was 4th grade, so older, but, still), the policy was that we could do "junk food" treats once a month, for, say, a holiday party or whatever. Now, what constitutes junk food is kind of up to each person, but, candy or soda or ice cream is more obviously junk food than, say, graham crackers. The school had a no soda/candy policy for daily snacks, anyway.

Movies were pretty much not even used in the classroom. We had to write out our lesson plans and turn them in every week, and our vice principal would "pop in" to make sure you were somewhat sticking to it. Movies were generally reserved for after quarterly state exams (they took *all* morning (ie...4 hours), so, we usually took the kids out to recess for a good hour afterwards, and then did movies with whatever time was left...brains were fried. Oh, and at the end of the year when we had to pack up our class (we had to have all the furniture and books and whatnot packed up and/or out in the hall by the end of the last day of class, so, of course that last day everyone mostly just watched movies while we did the manual labor).

When I taught middle school, there really weren't too many junk snacks, but we were part of a pilot program for fresh fruits/veggies in the class, so they got two snacks of f/v each day. Movies were reserved for educational purposes or, again, after standardized testing.
post #10 of 19
WOW! Just, wow. I am shocked about all of it. I don't have any experience of mainstream school as we are a Waldorf family and I was going to ask if this experience was normal but I can see from the other posters responses that it's not.
It almost sounds as if this teacher is trying to buy the affection of the kids IYKWIM.
I would definitely speak to someone about all of it asap. These are people who are meant to have a role in educating and caring for your child. In my mind your childs' kindergarten teacher is meant to be a role model. I don't see anything wrong with the occassional treat at school for celebrations and the like, to have that on a regular basis doesn't do anyone any favours.

Good luck with that. Do let us know how you get on.
post #11 of 19
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The last thing, and maybe I'm just too sensitive about it, is that when I picked him up last Friday, she stood right behind my son and told me they did an informal speech eval of all the kids and they were going to have him looked at further. I was surprised because he did speech therapy for two years and finished just about a year ago with articulation well beyond his calendar age. She said it wasn't artic, but that he says "um" and "uh" and "well" and takes forever to get a story out. It just seems weird to me to say that in front of the kid. He does take a long time, but his speech therapist said she believed it was because he had so much going on in his head and his brain was processing faster than his mouth could speak. He doesn't do it all the time in everyday speaking. It just seemed like something that should have been done by note home or an email.
Wow. Just wow. You've got a lot of legitmiate issues - and since the food and movies have been discussed, I wanted to also address the delay in responses. My ds also took time to gather his thoughts and give answers. There was and is nothing wrong with this. Some children are rather impulsive in giving answers, but my ds isn't. Given adequate time, he provides excellent answers. My ds also had a speech delay & articulation issues, but I also believe that it is his right brain (thinking in pictures) type of processing that takes him a bit longer to formulate responses. The fact that she is expecting quicker answers would make me wonder if this is somewhat stressful to your ds - not being able to speak fast enough for her. Over time I would be concerned that he'd give up trying to answer. I guess I would expect a teacher to be sensitive to this - and the fact that she's bringing it up as an issue makes me really wonder about her patience. Thankfully, ds' teachers recognized that ds did have insightful things to contribute when he was given time to respond, but they did have to learn to wait a little.

Do you have the ability to volunteer or observe the classroom? I would definitely try to do this if you can.
post #12 of 19
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How does this sound for a letter? I tried to sandwich my concerns in between positive things, because she really does seem very nice and my son thinks she's great. She provided her email address, so I think I'll email her if this is fine.

Dear Mrs. M,
D is really enjoying his time in kindergarten so far. He especially loves Centers and Music. I've been hearing a lot about his new friends and all the activities you do in class.
I did have a couple concerns that I would like to express. The first is about lunch recess time. D told me that there is a boy (he doesn't know him by name, but knows who he is) who has been throwing wood chips at D and C. D said they have asked him to stop but he keeps doing it. D said he told the supervisors a few times but was told to just stay away from the other boy. D has a sweet personality and generally wants to be friends with everyone, but right now he said lunch recess isn't as fun because for several days this boy is throwing wood chips at them and they're spending their time watching out for him and running away. I was hoping that the supervisors at recess could keep a close eye out to make sure this other boy isn't spending his recess trying to hurt others.
The other concern I have is a nutritional one. D told me that everyone will be having root beer floats in class tomorrow. If that's correct, please just give D the ice cream. He doesn't drink soda and we don't want to introduce it for as long as possible. It may be just because it's early in the year and things are new to the kids, but it seems like there have been a lot of sweet treats/snacks already or planned. I know sometimes my children don't always eat a large quantity of food in a day, so we really try to make most foods as healthy as possible, partly to make sure they're getting the most nutrition and partly so they start to learn healthy choices for their bodies.. There is certainly room for treats in our diet, but if they eat oreos or fruit snacks or ice cream at school, it is unlikely they'd be able to have a treat at home too. My wish isn't to separate D from his classmates by not allowing him to share in the snack, but I know some schools (or at least some classes) in the district have guidelines about what snacks are acceptable, for example items with limited sugar (not artificially sweetened, just a naturally lower sugar food. I wondered if you would be open to any types of healthy snack guidelines for the class (with the exception of birthdays or other special celebrations such as class parties)? I know that a lot of children this age are very interested in learning about what foods will help them grow, which are just a treat that are okay for eating occasionally and what things should be avoided most of the time. One thing I've heard from some schools (both preschool and elementary) is that there is either a particular list that parents buy snacks from or money is collected and a parent volunteer purchases the snacks for the class and is reimbursed by the teacher. If this is something that you would be willing to consider, I would be happy to help in any way I can.
I appreciate you taking the time to consider this. And most of all, I really appreciate the wonderful job you're doing. I hear nothing but great things about you from D, and it's obvious that you care a lot about the kids. Thank you.
post #13 of 19
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Wow. Just wow. You've got a lot of legitmiate issues - and since the food and movies have been discussed, I wanted to also address the delay in responses. My ds also took time to gather his thoughts and give answers. There was and is nothing wrong with this. Some children are rather impulsive in giving answers, but my ds isn't. Given adequate time, he provides excellent answers. My ds also had a speech delay & articulation issues, but I also believe that it is his right brain (thinking in pictures) type of processing that takes him a bit longer to formulate responses. The fact that she is expecting quicker answers would make me wonder if this is somewhat stressful to your ds - not being able to speak fast enough for her. Over time I would be concerned that he'd give up trying to answer. I guess I would expect a teacher to be sensitive to this - and the fact that she's bringing it up as an issue makes me really wonder about her patience. Thankfully, ds' teachers recognized that ds did have insightful things to contribute when he was given time to respond, but they did have to learn to wait a little.

Do you have the ability to volunteer or observe the classroom? I would definitely try to do this if you can.
You know, I've been listening to him closely since she mentioned this last week. I don't notice him saying "Um" or other filler words. What I notice and have always noticed is that it does take him a long time to get something out. Because he likes to provide a lot of details. So if you say "What was your favorite thing in school today?" and his answer is Music, he won't just say music. He might say "Well, my favorite part was right after Centers. Oh mom, today in centers we got to make a book about Johnny Appleseed. Then another center was dominoes. Another one was sorting buttons. After that we went to the center for writing the letter 'r' then we went to the multi purpose room for my favorite part of school today. That's when we had music." Some people lose patience (although most people are patient with him) but I'm just so used to it being his style.
post #14 of 19
I probably wouldn't send such a long note to the teacher, as it almost guarantees that she won't read it thoroughly enough to grasp the important "do not give DS root beer today" message.

Can you ask for a meeting with the teacher to address your other concerns? (which, btw, all seem totally valid to me)
post #15 of 19
Everything you mention should be discussed only with the principal. You are not the teacher's boss. It is ok to discuss on minor thing with a teacher that relates to your child. But you are wanting to discuss many things with her that relate to the way she does her job and the way the school is run. Discussing it with her is going to potentially drive a wedge between the two of you because she may feel you are trying to discipline her. The principal should hear your concerns and then discipline the teacher. The teacher needs to change her ways and there are too many to change for a parent to be in charge of.

Toss the letter out and talk in person to the principal. Or phone call. Letters are too easy to ignore and you cannot ask for immediate clarification from a letter. You will get taken more seriously this way.
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
I kind of hate to go above her to the principal right away though. It seems right to talk to her first. It's kind of like at work, I don't like when someone could just talk to me or a co-worker about something, and they go right to my supervisor. I'd like to let her have a chance to change first. And I really need to send something to her tomorrow, because of the playground thing. I plan on sending it to her email address at school. She said she checks those each morning. That way she can consider her response before replying. I was really hoping to avoid the wedge by telling her nice things too. I really do think she's a good teacher (from what I've heard from my son and a couple other parents) and cares about the kids.
post #17 of 19
Personally, I'd go right to the principal. To me there are too many issues and concerns. If it were just one thing I'd try to work with the teacher directly.

I find the snacks completely appauling! DS1 is in pre-K and no sugary snacks are allowed at all. Which is just fine with me. The teacher sends home and calendar to the parents and specifies what we are to bring.

The movie time - 2 hours per week. Unacceptable. Really - completely. In preschool DS1 NEVER saw movies. They didn't even own video equiptment (a large school, BTW). As far as I know none are shown in pre-K. I expect, maybe, a maximum of 1 hour a month. It also sounds as if there isn't any particular educational value to what is being shown - doesn't match up with the topics they are learning.

Talking about your son's speech - also not cool.

The teacher sounds, at best, clueless.

I hope you can work this out. I agree with PP that the note is too long. I'd send one note saying "No soda" and go from there. I wonder if other parents are concerned about the snacks and movies?
post #18 of 19
Personally I would sit down with the principal. The only thing I would complain about the teacher at this point would be the sugar foods and videos. The sugar foods are outrageous. I cannot imagine how much these kids are bouncing off the walls, oh wait, they get tv too. I would then address the speech issue. Not that the teacher did anything wrong when she spoke in front on your son (she did but in the scheme of things I might skip over that just because there is so much I would not want to come across as being all bitchy about the teacher) but I would address it like "my son has seen a therapist and has ended therapy because he no longer needs it etc etc etc". Why was I not told about the evaluation?. Then I would also address the behavior of the other child on the playground issue. Once again not pointing out the teacher as not watching.

Its late and I hope I make sense. My concern is that there is so much that to lay it all on the teacher would not get you any points. But by breaking it up into your 3 concerns and putting one on the teacher and then the other 2 in general terms, not blaming anyone, you will get a better response from the principal. Now if the principal asks where the teacher was or if the teacher did anything about the wood chip throwing, then you say what your son said.

If you can talk to other parents and see what they think about the sugar food. Last year our preschool had group snacks. I was never comfortable about it and it became a real issue when my son was diagnosed with a dairy allergy. It was March before I started talking to other parents and discovered others wanted group snack to stop as well. But they had given up, thinking they were alone in the battle.
post #19 of 19
Hmmm, let's see. I do agree that you should address your concerns with the teacher first and at least give her a chance to correct the issues. Then, if nothing changes I would speak to the principal. I would also suggest going to the District website or physical building and find out what/if there are any policies regarding snacks and movies in the classroom. I've been a teacher for 12 years and currently a district administrator and I am quite surprised at the amount of unhealthy snacks and movie time that's allowed at this school. Lastly, if you aren't getting any satisfaction at the school level I would definitely schedule an appt to talk to someone on the school board. I know this sounds extreme, but if this district does not have a policy on snacks and movies, they need to. The majority of districts across the country generally have some type of policy regarding this.

Another point regarding the hour long movies...unless the movies have some type of academic relevance, they shouldn't be viewed during school hours.

I hope this helps and good luck. I'd be interested to hear what happens with these issues.
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