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post #301 of 407
I cannot believe this is still going......
post #302 of 407
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Originally Posted by LilyGrace View Post
I was reading one of the stories under "miscellaneous" that seemed to fit this. A 9mo, left alone in the car for under 4 minutes while her mom ran inside the grocery, became tangled in a carseat strap and strangled herself.

That seems to fit almost exactly within the scenario given.

Again, can see and is watching are two different things, and I wouldn't want to risk my child's life so needlessly or give myself a false sense of security that could come back to bite me in the butt.
I remember reading once in my local newspaper about a baby that got strangled in the carseat stap while the mom was driving. They were listening to a children's tape and she didn't hear her gasping. She also had the straps too loose on her carseat. Maybe we should make it illegal to listen to music in the car while with a child because of this one instance.: Freak accidents can happen at any time and any place.
post #303 of 407
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Originally Posted by candiland View Post
I personally think there is a happy medium in all things.

Now the pendulum has swung to the opposite extreme.... where common sense isn't allowed to dictate that there are some circumstances where the "rules" can bend a bit. Now we're seeing a generation of kids so overprotected they are like animals in cages afraid of their own shadows.
post #304 of 407
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Originally Posted by hipmummy View Post
I cannot believe this is still going......
yeah, it's like people are trying to convince themselves they're right, by repeating the same points over and over...
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post #306 of 407
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Originally Posted by punkrawkmama27 View Post
It doesnt matter. I just read a thread on here about someone reporting a mother to CPS, and CPS responding because she is not in a "normal marriage" and CPS is investigating to see if she is a fit mother! And in some states it is against the law, or even if it isnt law enforcement can choose to do what they feel is right in certain situations:
http://www.lawlib.state.ma.us/2006/0...-car.htmldwhat

http://www.kidsandcars.org/incidents...idsinCars.html

http://www.ci.aliso-viejo.ca.us/files/kaitlins_law.pdf

Those appear to be laws that would make it illegal to leave a child under the age of 6 from being left unattended in a car.

Even if it is not illegal I still would not chance it.
Some things are facts, not opinions. It is a fact that it is NOT illegal in the majority of states in the union (and in most foreign countries) to leave a child in the car for a short amount of time (barring the heat issue). Where it is illegal it is because of state law, not federal, so that state's law does not transfer to any other jurisdiction. Because it's illegal in, say, California, need not concern the parent in North Carolina.
post #307 of 407
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Originally Posted by Meg Murry. View Post
Both disguise and soften the realities to make them palpable -- even glamorous -- for the servant and for the mistress or master.
I'm pretty sure you mean palatable.
post #308 of 407
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Originally Posted by felix23 View Post
I remember reading once in my local newspaper about a baby that got strangled in the carseat stap while the mom was driving. They were listening to a children's tape and she didn't hear her gasping. She also had the straps too loose on her carseat. Maybe we should make it illegal to listen to music in the car while with a child because of this one instance.: Freak accidents can happen at any time and any place.
If these were the actual STRAPS that go over the baby's shoulders, they would have to be EXTREMELY loose for the baby to strangle. The current test for tightness is that they should not be able to be pinched together between thumb and finger. There is no way a baby could strangle in the straps if she was properly restrained.
post #309 of 407
What the Kids in Cars and law-seeking people need to understand is that kids have freak accidents in cars and outside of cars. By simply providing anecdotes and counts of the number of times a chidl has been hurt or hurt someone in a car, you cannot tell how many children would have been hurt or hurt someone else outside the car.
post #310 of 407
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Originally Posted by 3boobykins View Post
If these were the actual STRAPS that go over the baby's shoulders, they would have to be EXTREMELY loose for the baby to strangle. The current test for tightness is that they should not be able to be pinched together between thumb and finger. There is no way a baby could strangle in the straps if she was properly restrained.
This was probably in the mid to late 80's that this happened. I don't remember any of the details on what type of straps they were, just that they were way too loose and the baby got caught in them. I just remember my parents talking about what a horrible tradgedy it was and making sure my baby sister's straps were tight enough. I agree with you, if your child is properly restrained, then you don't need to worry about them strangling in the straps. My dd is properly restrained and I make sure that there is nothing around that she could possible choke/strangle on, so I have no problem leaving her in a locked car on a mild day for less than three minutes while I pay for gas.
post #311 of 407
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Originally Posted by Meg Murry. View Post
Hopefully, I can explain. It is indeed more respectful, but it is inaccurate, and both are part of the same problem.
It is "respectful" to call a servant an au pair in the same way and for the same reason as it is "respectful" to call a slave a "house worker" in the context I cited from GWTW.

Both disguise and soften the realities to make them palpable -- even glamorous -- for the servant and for the mistress or master. It's the same logic that softens "firing" by calling it "reduction in force" or the logic that makes killing human beings palpable by calling it "termination of opposing troop forces." There are many examples of how we disguise unpleasant realities from ourselves in order to perpetuate those realities. I just don't want to cop to it because it helps to exploit people.


I agree, of course, that exploiting people is wrong, but it seems that a person that continues to call someone a "servant" when that person is paid well, treated respectfully, has benefits, a college degree, is sort of the one being disrespectful to said "servant."
post #312 of 407
It keeps Going and Going...Will this thread NEVER Die?? Is there anything that hasn't already been said?

Of course I keep participating so I guess I am part of the problem
post #313 of 407
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Originally Posted by ElliesMomma View Post
yeah, it's like people are trying to convince themselves they're right, by repeating the same points over and over...
Well, surely anyone who's not interested can just un-sub, right? There's no need to criticize others for still being interested.
post #314 of 407
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Originally Posted by dubfam View Post
It keeps Going and Going...Will this thread NEVER Die?? Is there anything that hasn't already been said?

Of course I keep participating so I guess I am part of the problem
Yeah, you and me both! I guess we just enjoy persuading ourselves, over and over, that we're right, huh?!
post #315 of 407
A month ago, I would have said what the OP stated occured was no big deal.
However, I ran in to get a few things in a town of only 5500 people leaving my 4 and 6 year old in the car. They were tired since we had played for an hour and a half at a botanical garden. So I said, 'alright, I'll be back in a minute."
I took my one year old out of her seat, went in, got my things, came out put my bag in the car and the baby and pulled out. A cop appeared and charged me with child endangerment. Seems a very elderly woman had seen me go in and called the police. The officer didn't get there until after I was already leaving.
There is no law in Ohio. I had no idea you could be charged with anything for running in for a few minutes. It was not hot, a mild Oct day and I locked my doors. I know it would have been more dangerous to get my 4 year old out. She was whining about having to walk more and obviously I can't carry a 1 and 4 year old and hold a 6 year old's hand.

So now if convicted, I will lose my Registered Nursing license and even though my husband and I have already completed foster parenting classes to adopt a foster child, some foster child will not have a home.

This has destroyed my life! I also AP, my baby who just turned one is still breastfeeding, I nursed my other 2 until they were 2.5 years old. So if convicted, I could be in jail for 6 months. I'm wondering if they allow breast pumps in jail? I have never been in trouble with the law, we don't smoke or drink or use drugs. We feed our kids an organic, vegetarian diet. I try to do everything I can to care for my kids. I had not started working yet, but was planning to and now, my college education was for nothing.

The prosecutor told me that if ever there was a case to dismissed, it was this one, but then stated, "but I don't dismiss cases." So he would rather ruin my entire life..

Anyhow, sorry to carry on. This just happened last week and I am still shocked and devastated.

So even though it is probably safer than taking your kids in, PLEASE take them in with you because you can be charged with a felony by leaving a kid in a car for a few minutes.
post #316 of 407
That sounds like a VERY unusual situation.

One of the benefits to living in a big city is that the authorities have real problems on their hands, and would never worry about something as trivial as leaving your kid in the ca for a couple minutes. We don't even have the jail and courtroom resources to prosecute and jail the real criminals.

Also, how can they call it child endangerment if nothing happened and there is no law against it?

I guess it would have to do with being in a small town, where the cops etc are just sitting around waiting for something to do.
post #317 of 407
Ocean 2, please come back to update us, won't you? I'm rooting for you: I'll be extremely shocked if anything like jail-time actually comes of this.

I'll also be shocked if you lose your nursing or foster-care license!
post #318 of 407
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Originally Posted by hipmummy View Post
Excuse me but it is good thing I called the police one of the persons because it was an ex Dh who was not even supposed to have his children and the Mother had no idea he was with them. The second one forgot the time and realized she had been in the store for over 20 minutes. This is in an urban area, not a small town.
Also my dh after ds's birth two days no sleep rear ended a car with a seven year old in and mom had been gone for over 10 minutes but had said she be back in 2!! Dh waited but the police came because someone else called about the fender bender.

So we should call the police on all children left unattended in cars even for just a moment just in case the adult with the children is the non-custodial parent who just happens to be in the process of kidnapping his children? Give me a break.
post #319 of 407
I've only read the first page...

I'd far rather leave my kids in a locked car, in my visual range, long enough to grab some milk than drag them out of the car and into a parking lot. Parking lots are way more dangerous than a locked car, especially to a small child who is too short for other drivers to see, but nobody thinks twice about taking kids into them. I leave dd in the van while I run ds2 into the house all the time...better that than take a chance on running out into the parking lot and getting hit by a car.

Of course, I'm sure the yelling stranger benefited the OP's children tremendously. I think that verbally lambasting the driver of the car the kids are in is the obvious way to make sure the kids are safe...or possibly...not??
post #320 of 407
I dont see anything wrong with it butI dont know how Id feel about someone besides me leaving my baby in the car.

We live on a very small island in Alaska that has just been named a "Coast Guard town" so I have a few times gotten out of the car and locked it with my daughter sleeping to run and grab something. I dont think I would ever do it anywhere besides here but I dont know. The only way on and off this island is by ferry or plane and the crime rate here is pretty much at 0 so there really is nothing to worry about.
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