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However bad these 2 men were, I don't think getting rid of them justifies the death of a 14 yo child. I'm anguishing at the thought of what his mother must be going through.

And I am also angry at those men, who must have KNOWN they were being hunted, and yet still chose to keep the boy with them. They should have known better.
post #23 of 86
I think people were talking about people in the US gloating, not the Iraqi people. We can only imagine the horrors these men inflicted on them and I can hardly blame them for being relieved they are gone.

However, I do think that it is innappropiate to do so over here, someone mentioned hearing gloating on the radio and that makes me kind of sick.
post #24 of 86
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Originally posted by mahdokht
ElCaseyS I really understand what you are saying and I admire your compassion, reason and the strength of your convictions, but I think the "ding-dong the witch is dead" comment really degrades the right of the Iraqi people to rejoice and the real possibility that their years in hell might be over. Even if that means that the one who was responsible for so much of their oppression had to suffer. Just as human beings have a right to compassion, they also have a right to justice and to live free of oppression.
Actually, my ding dong the witch is dead quote was to show that I imagine that was why they rejoiced. The monkeys felt oppressed by the witch are were sincerely glad she was dead and they gave Dorothy that which she needed to make her dreams come true.

So - my sensitivity degrades the Iraquis! :
post #25 of 86
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Originally posted by abimommy
I think people were talking about people in the US gloating, not the Iraqi people. We can only imagine the horrors these men inflicted on them and I can hardly blame them for being relieved they are gone.

However, I do think that it is innappropiate to do so over here, someone mentioned hearing gloating on the radio and that makes me kind of sick.
Actually - yes - it bothers me in Iraq, but I can understand it - and it happens more than you would admit that hose in the US gloat over deaths of people unrelated in any way to them - take into consideration the electric chair deaths in Texas that get such groupies!
post #26 of 86
The thing that disturbs me the most are the U.S. people who are gloating over this death. George Bush Jr's PR people are standing on the corpse of Saddam's 2 sons and his 14 year old grandson as a sign that they have prevailed. That people here have the "gotcha sucker" mentality regarding these four people killed yesterday really turns my stomach. Really.

I can understand the elation oppressed people would feel at the death of their despot. I believe that their happiness at the death of another human is a testament to the inhumanity they have suffered- they are elated that they should no longer feel the chains of that human again, but for those of us who are watching from the outside - is it really justified for us to cheer the death of another person?
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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Ghandi

Rejoicing at the death of ANY HUMAN BEING is, in my opinion, one step down the road to being as awful and inhumane as these men. We have managed to take all humanity out of them -- they have done bad things - YES, I'm not denying that. Like I said before, the world is probably a better place with them NOT in it. . . but that doesn't mean I should be happy that another human being has died.

I am sad they are dead. I'm saddened that their death will save other people's lives because the Saddam boys did bad things. I'm saddened by the whole situation. That doesn't make me a Saddam supporter.
Hey Mon! Cool to see you here! I couldn't agree more with this statement. And if they release those pictures of the dead in the US I will be truly sickened.
I can understand wanting to show them to the Iraqis who have been living in fear of these two for so long to prove to them that they are a bit safer. But even still, it seems disrespectful.
It is not our place to judge the souls of people. And being gleeful about someone's death seems disrespectful of that person's soul. They will never have the chance to make amends for what they have done to their fellow countrymen. Who knows what circumstances these men were raised in (as someone else mentioned.)
I also don't think this is going to stop the fighting over there. I don't think Saddam's death will stop it either.
And, the Al Queda cells are still going to keep working even if we ever do find Osama Bin Laden. What we need to do is beef up our security and clean up our side of the street. But that's too logical though, isn't it?
post #30 of 86
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Bush is an.... ok i edited that no name calling allowed. I just think his ability to think of humanity beyond the moral scope of a childish game of 'cowboys and indians' is severly lacking. He seems to frequently gloat over and enjoy the suffering of others.
Wow. If he 'enjoyed' their suffering so much, I assume he'd have let Saddam and his sons continue their rein.

Give me a break. Fine if you don't agree with his politics, but that doesn't mean you can make him into horrible monster, which he is most definitely not.
post #31 of 86
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Originally posted by Delta
Wow. If he 'enjoyed' their suffering so much, I assume he'd have let Saddam and his sons continue their rein.

Give me a break. Fine if you don't agree with his politics, but that doesn't mean you can make him into horrible monster, which he is most definitely not.
This is El Casey S's hubby writing. I personally would not go so far as to call W. a "horrible monster." He does, however, strike me as a person who relishes being angry, punitive and seeking revenge, and therefore does not qualify for the designation "nice guy", in my book. That which many people seem to interpret as "niceness" on his part is, in my own humble estimation, in reality the demeanor of a simpleton.
post #32 of 86
And Bush is praising it - talk about SPIN DOCTOR!


Killing people is a pleasure for George....................
post #33 of 86
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does, however, strike me as a person who relishes being angry, punitive and seeking revenge, and therefore does not qualify for the designation "nice guy", in my book.
Hmm, I suppose what you see as angry, punitive and seeking revenge *I* see as strong, resolved, and not putting up with anyone's bullsh!t.
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And Bush is praising it - talk about SPIN DOCTOR!
As far as I can tell, he's praising the military for doing their job.

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This morning someone noticed that the flags at our govt. training facility were at half mast, and asked me if I knew why. I said I thought it was to out of respect for Saddam's sons... :
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Marcy, I think you have a point here -- the death of Saddam's sons won't stop the suffering in Iraq. . . and further, may bring that suffering closer to home. Every person, innocent or no, who was killed in Afghanistan and now in Iraq will become a martyr to the Jihad and fuel the fires of hate in among radical movements like Al Quaida.

And the longer we leave decimated countries like Afghanistan and Iraq to figure themselves out after we've shaken out the despots, the more attractive they will be to new despots. Unfortunately, the more we involve ourselves in the development of new governments and reparations there, the more hated we will become.

The entire situation makes me unspeakably sad.
post #38 of 86
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However bad these 2 men were, I don't think getting rid of them justifies the death of a 14 yo child. I'm anguishing at the thought of what his mother must be going through.

And I am also angry at those men, who must have KNOWN they were being hunted, and yet still chose to keep the boy with them. They should have known better.
I will venture to bet that since the two sons would go to any length to show/prove their loyalty to their dad, that this 14 year old was raised to do the same (sickly makes me think of KKK members holding up small babies in those awful trademark gown and hoods). He may have been raised to treat others the same way he saw his dad, uncle and grandfather treat people. ONLY AN ASSUMPTION. I'm not condoning the death of this child, but wonder if he would not have been taught to die proudly for/with his family. : That of course doesn't in any way make it right.
post #39 of 86
According to the statement read on NPR they were all dead when they entered the building.

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/iraq2003/index.html
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This morning someone noticed that the flags at our govt. training facility were at half mast, and asked me if I knew why. I said I thought it was to out of respect for Saddam's sons...
woah HB, that is a good one!
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