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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I have been wanting to ask this for a while now, so here it goes. What are your thoughts on a posterior cervix while the woman is in active labor? Do you think it should move anterior in early labor?

The reason I ask is during my last labor, my cervix was stubbornly posterior until 9cm. I labored for about 36 hours and then had a c-section for "failure to progress". It was a homebirth transport after 24 hours of labor.

Thanks for your thoughts...this has been bugging me for a while!
post #2 of 17
I think in some women it does move anterior early and others it doesn't. I don't think either way is right or wrong.
post #3 of 17
I've had quite a few women have a posterior cervix through most of labor. It seems to move forward when it's time to push, when I was a new apprentice, a few times I was fooled when I checked the woman because it was so posterior and baby was so low!

I will be interested to see if there is anything you can do to move it anterior, I don't know?
post #4 of 17
I had a posterior cervix until 8 cm with my last baby. It made the labor much longer than usual (previous labors have been 7, 5, and 3 hours--this one was 24). I think my baby's head might have been a bit off. I stayed at 8 for something like 4-5 hours. Once my cervix moved forward I dilated very rapidly. I only pushed for 1 minute, too.

I don't think you're doomed to having a posterior cervix and FTP with your next baby, if that's what you're wondering. I think various factors come into play.
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys!

I would love to hear more thoughts on this from the midwives here too!

I was also having horrible back labor. I was assured there were no malpositioning problems, & the head wasn't asynclitic. When I was about 6cm dilated my MW wanted to pull the cervix forward to get it to dilate...along with pushing. Oh my Lord, talk about PAIN!!

I sure hope it doesn't happen next time. Although, I have heard from many that VBAC labors tend to be long.

Again, thanks so much for your input!
post #6 of 17
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post #7 of 17
Jackie
What do you think caused the back labor if the baby was not malpositioned or asynclitic?
post #8 of 17
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Jackie
What do you think caused the back labor if the baby was not malpositioned or asynclitic?
Sometimes there is back labor with an anterior baby due to the shape of the mother's pelvis or the length of her torso. Or if the baby's bum is hanging way out that can point the baby's head toward the mother's tailbone and cause back labor. The belly lift (lifting the baby's bum up and in) moves the baby's head away from the tailbone and also helps the baby drop into the pelvis.
post #9 of 17
As a midwife I see lots of women with posterior cervixes in active labour. Usually the head is very low, often baby is also posterior facing. They labour for a while then suddenly they are fully and the cervix position is no longer an issue. My treatment for posterior cervix? Time and patience.
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Jackie
What do you think caused the back labor if the baby was not malpositioned or asynclitic?
Good question...I've been wondering that myself for almost 2 years now! When I transferred to the hospital, the OB said "That baby is posterior!" MW didn't agree though. Weird thing is though, I had that horrible back pain until I was cut...& my baby was LOT then. So, I'm still not sure...

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Sometimes there is back labor with an anterior baby due to the shape of the mother's pelvis
That's another possibility. I had two different care providers say I either had a platypelloid type pelvis, or a small gynecoid with a flat sacrum & narrow pubic arch. I wonder if my sacrum was in the way, & that's what caused the pain. I don't take much stock in the "too small of pelvis" thing, but I have this feeling something may be off. I did chiro throughout my pregnancy. Then again, I was branded with "CPD" with my first...pushing for two hours in a semi-sitting position, (not good, I know) epidural was off (VERY PAINFUL) & the OB even tried forceps but couldn't get my baby past 2+ station. Yea...I still have those dumb CPD fears.

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My treatment for posterior cervix? Time and patience.
Amen to that! Wish my MW thought so too instead of tugging @ 6cm dilation. Yea, labor was long, it sucked, I was in pain....I needed encouragement, love & patience. Not cervix pulling.
post #11 of 17
Hi Jackie,
First the posterior cervix question. If the labor is going along fine I don't worry about a posterior cervix. Of course, I tend not to be checking the cervix anyway, so there may be far more that are posterior than I know of. My birth assts. joke about yet another birth that occurred and I don't have a single cervical check on the chart, because none were done even in long labors.

However, if the labor is not going well (back labor, exhausted mom, baby in distress) then a posterior cervix seems much more common and usually indicates that there is a problem with baby's position.

So, the second part of your question. Back pain can be caused by several things. If the baby is in a good position with a well flexed head, it could be an arm that got caught in a bad position and is up against the sacrum. There is also the back pain that comes late in labor/early in pushing from the stretching of the sacroiliac joint and movement of the sacrum to allow the baby through the mid pelvis and outlet. However, that is really different from back labor and usually a few pushes to get the head past that point makes it feel much better.

If baby's not in a good position (asynclitic, deflexed head, posterior) then it feels like something is bumping or scraping on your sacrum with each contraction and sometimes in between. Everything is just sore and in spasm. It is pretty common for this to happen at 5-7 cm. Any of those baby position problems slow or prevent the usual rotation and movement of the baby's head through the mid pelvis. It is the movement of the baby's head down and through the pelvic curve that brings the cervix forward. It becomes a mechanical problem, not a soft tissue problem. Pulling the soft tissue of the cervix forward is only going to cause more trauma to the cervix, risking tearing and if hard enough, could cause separation from the lower uterine segment. (And yes, it hurts really, really bad) Same problem as when a lip of cervix is caught between the inside of the pubic bone and the baby's head. At a given point, it is caught between bones and pulling it won't move it, but with enough force could tear it.

Think of it this way, when you are tearing plastic wrap off the roll, if there is no pressure from your opposite hand holding the roll while the other hand pulls on the wrap then the wrap just keeps rolling. But, with the counter pressure of your hand (this would be the baby's head and your pelvis) holding back the roll (uterus) , it is easier to apply enough pull to separate the piece you want (cervix) from the rest of the roll (uterus). Sorry if that's TMI.

So pulling the cervix forward is not solving the problem of a malpositioned baby, it is only temporarily seeming to fix a symptom of a larger problem. Perhaps it has worked in the past with a woman who had a normal posterior cervix and helped to speed things up a bit. But, with a baby that is malpositioned, it has the potential to cause some serious injury to the mom without resolving the baby's problem. If a midwife or physician does not understand that this is a mechanical problem, then they won't understand how to fix it.

In all of my readings in how to resolve back labor, malpositioned babies, long labors, etc. I have never seen a midwife recommend such a thing as pulling the cervix. IMHO suggesting this for the situations I have talked about here shows a basic lack of understanding regarding the mechanics of normal birth and its variations.

I hope other midwives or doctor jen will pop in to discuss this further.
post #12 of 17
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I sure hope it doesn't happen next time. Although, I have heard from many that VBAC labors tend to be long.
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jackie, have you ever read "Home Birth Bound" by Maggie Banks?

She talks about the ebb and flow of labor, VBAC or otherwise. It is not always a straight progression. Sometimes it stops or slows to give mom time to adjust mentally or emotionally or for her to adjust her environment, or for baby to adjust a bit of something. Babies are active participants in their birth.

Did a VBAC this week where the labor seemed long with ebbs and flows. My philosophy is that this is fine as long as everyone is doing OK. I think there is usually a reason for it, that we may not understand until after the birth, if ever. In this case there was a very long cord (30") that was 2x around the neck with a hand that came out by the cheek. It was the baby who needed time to let the cord slide. Yes, it was a bigger baby than her CPD baby and her membranes were broken for more than 48 hours.

Eat, rest, drink, time, patience. As long as mom and baby are doing OK, these pauses mean little to the eventual outcome.
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks so much for your reply...I'm kinda overwhelmed with the wealth of info you gave. I knew my birth wasn't handled right. But, it is wonderful to read all this...I have been pondering this for almost 2 years now (my sunshine will be two on the 8th) & it has been a very rough road.

I haven't read that book, but I'm going to get it. I have been reading about birth for so long, took so much care that I could finally have my VBAC. I'm scared to trust another provider when & if I ever become pregnant again. You can ask all the right questions, but still be blindsided in the throes of labor...I couldn't think...I could only think of the pain...all that research out the window as I laid my trust at the careproviders feet.

I hope & pray with all my might that next time will be different.
post #14 of 17
The book is published in New Zealand so may not be easy to find.
I have a copy, so let me know if you would like to borrow it or I can just copy the chapter about the ebb and flow of labor.
post #15 of 17
I love Maggie Banks. Especially her work on breech birth.

As a midwife I do not ever manipulate the cervix.
post #16 of 17
I am with mothercat and snork--no messing with the cervix! I, too, seldom do cervical dilation checks since most often they just don't provide useful information (not truly useful, tho there has been a time or 2 when such checking did help). I consider them to be a needless intrusion, mentally and physically. As for pulling on the cervix--ye gods and little fishes (as my mama used to say), what a scary thought!

Time, trust, patience, and attending to the very most basic of basics in supporting birth, this is what I most rely on as a midwife: helping make sure that mom is well nourished, well hydrated, peeing and resting as needed for the demanding work of labor; helping make sure that her confidence in HERSELF is holding up well--and even that is most often supported best simply by my own quiet acceptance/trust of her process, rather than through active means.
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks MsBlack....I really needed to hear this...I don't want to get into details, but my MW made it sound like the majority of midwives would of done the same, & she was right for doing this!
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