I think I'm going to vomit

[wannabe]

UGH, I've been stewing on this all day while MDC has been down.

I read this blog, great writer, interesting sensible person, etc, etc. So she had her babies last week at 33 weeks, and casually posts today that she'll be getting her son circumcised, without anaesthetic.

I want to vomit, that poor little preemie being butchered with no pain releif, and having bad sex his whole life because his mother couldn't be bothered to research it like she researched every single other bloody thing. (I'm sure it's ignorance rather than maliciousness, she wanted these babies badly).

[basset]

: It seems to never end. That poor baby boy.: : :

[fruitful womb]

Is there a way to add a comment to the blog and suggest some education? If your lucky you can start a dialog. Invite her to CAC.

[wannabe]

Yeah, I posted some links, but at this point, post c-section, pumping around the clock and with three babies in the NICU I doubt she's reading her comments.

it just kills me - she was on bedrest for months, and not once did she indicate she was going to do this, or education could have started earlier and done some good for that poor baby.

[Frootloop]

Originally Posted by wannabe

UGH, I've been stewing on this all day while MDC has been down.

I read this blog, great writer, interesting sensible person, etc, etc. So she had her babies last week at 33 weeks, and casually posts today that she'll be getting her son circumcised, without anaesthetic.

I want to vomit, that poor little preemie being butchered with no pain releif, and having bad sex his whole life because his mother couldn't be bothered to research it like she researched every single other bloody thing. (I'm sure it's ignorance rather than maliciousness, she wanted these babies badly).

So, let me get this straight.. she KNOWS the little guy will have no anesthetic? And she's ok with this?!? And a preemie at that (not that that makes a real difference)?!?! What the youknowwhat is wrong with her?? : : :
Pardon me while I :Puke as well..
Seriously now.. WHY, if you're absolutely dead set on doing this to your child, would you not push with all of your might to have pain relief for your beloved baby??? I really don't get it. Maybe she really is completely ignorant on the issue. I actually kind of hope that she is.. perhaps she can miraculously be talked out of it really fast? Something tells me that she's not ignorant about it, though. Not if she's researched everything else. :

[phdmama06]

Wow, I feel so sad for this poor little boy : first having to fight for his health in the NICU and now undergoing circumcision without pain relief??

Someone I knew had her son at 30 weeks and was so excited on the day when the doctor finally agreed to do the circumcision. There was no talking her out of it, she had her heart set on doing it. (Is it odd to anyone else that some parents - for non-religious reasons - have their "hearts set on" circumcision? Do people really have such a strong emotional connection to it? I would think that parents who genuinely want to circ because they think it is "better" for their sons would see it more as a necessary evil than anything else. Because what parent doesn't know that circ causes pain? Seriously...) I am sure part of her excitement was because her son was finally big and healthy enough to be treated like a typical newborn and to go home the day after the circ, but it just made my heart sink when she wrote in her blog that the circ had been done. :

[wannabe]

Originally Posted by Frootloop

So, let me get this straight.. she KNOWS the little guy will have no anesthetic? And she's ok with this?!? And a preemie at that (not that that makes a real difference)?!?! What the youknowwhat is wrong with her?? : : :
Pardon me while I :Puke as well..
Seriously now.. WHY, if you're absolutely dead set on doing this to your child, would you not push with all of your might to have pain relief for your beloved baby??? I really don't get it. Maybe she really is completely ignorant on the issue. I actually kind of hope that she is.. perhaps she can miraculously be talked out of it really fast? Something tells me that she's not ignorant about it, though. Not if she's researched everything else. :

Willful cultural blindspot, I'm guessing. I don't think I can bear to go back there again, even to try and convince her. It's just so much more real and tragic when you know the story behind the penis, you know?

And NOT, as someone suggested by PM, because infertile people are slaves to anyone in a white coat :

[Blu Razzberri]

At this point, I just always assume the parents are going to circumcise; and give them anti-circ info.

[ThomasL]

I think people should still send comments. If she can't be talked out of circ she should atleast be told about the dangers of circ without anathesia on a premmie and the unethical aspects of it as well. It will probably be a little time before they do the circ because they will not perform a circ on a baby until it is considered healthy so I think she should still try to be reached.

[mommymarliah]

Originally Posted by Blu Razzberri

At this point, I just always assume the parents are going to circumcise; and give them anti-circ info.

same here, I figure if I don't they may never think of it as an option. Same with not vaxxing. I have a new parent packet I print out and mail to people, with info on vaccines and not circing I figure its the least I can do. That an my bumper stickers should help at least a few kiddos.

[wannabe]

Yeah, Thomas, you're right, dammit!

I read your comment last night and you guilted me into going back and commenting again. I suppose I morally can't try to forget about it while he is still whole.

Where there's a foreskin, there's hope.

[phdmama06]

Originally Posted by wannabe

I read your comment last night and you guilted me into going back and commenting again. I suppose I morally can't try to forget about it while he is still whole. Where there's a foreskin, there's hope.

Ah, I see, I misread your first post, I thought that the circ had already been done. Well, comment away and I hope that your hard work actually gets her thinking about what she is doing!! Good luck!

[nd_deadhead]

Be sure to tell her to watch out for excessive bleeding and infection. Have her ask the doctor how much Tylenol he can have and how often in the week following surgery.

Warn her that because so many men have had problems resulting from too much foreskin being cut off, that doctors today are cutting less, and her son might not "look" circumcised to her after the wound heals. Explain that her son will eventually grow into his remaining foreskin (after all, he had just the right amount before any was cut off), and he does NOT need to be cut again. Tell her about adhesions, and how they should NOT be forcibly separated, by her or a doctor, and they are hardly ever cause for additional surgery.

Tell her to watch for meatal stenosis about the time he starts potty learning. While many cases are minor, sometimes surgery is required to allow adequate urine flow.

Obviously she knows nothing about the operation, and has no idea that there might actually be complications.

[ThomasL]

Originally Posted by wannabe

Yeah, Thomas, you're right, dammit!

I read your comment last night and you guilted me into going back and commenting again. I suppose I morally can't try to forget about it while he is still whole.

Where there's a foreskin, there's hope.

There is hope as long as the posts are not condemning and the word mutilation is not used when trying to educate a mainstreamer. Also it is better to have more than one person commenting. I hate the thought of circ as much as anyone here but if she cannot be discouraged from doing it she needs to be aware of pain relief options and that if the hospital she is at does not provide that option she should atleast seek elsewhere as no all genital cutters lack the compassion to make sure the baby is atleast comfortable. I was circed as a premmie back in 1963 and I am sure I got no pain meds. Though I do not remember it I was an angry child and sometimes I would have dreams of being jabbed by sharp triangular or diamond shaped objects.

[titania8]

Originally Posted by ThomasL

I was circed as a premmie back in 1963 and I am sure I got no pain meds. Though I do not remember it I was an angry child and sometimes I would have dreams of being jabbed by sharp triangular or diamond shaped objects.

that is heartbreaking. im so sorry.

[nigellas]

Off topic...

and NOT, as someone suggested by PM, because infertile people are slaves to anyone in a white coat

Someone PMed you that? :

OH, the things I'd like to say to that someone...