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post #1 of 31
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my new naturopath dr. said that we should avoid the stuff. anyone understand why, exactly?

its in everything. i finally found toothpaste without it and shampoo. but it was tough and pricey.

i understand what it is and what it does but i don't understand why it is so bad --cancer causer...

anyone know?
post #2 of 31
All I know is that it is linked to cancer. (And it is the stuff that makes things lather up so nicely.)

Is there a Trader Joes near you? We get an awesome lavender shampoo there called Avalon Organic Botanicals. It retails for $7 - $9 bucks a bottle at regular grocery stores and health food stores, but I get it for $4.59 at TJ's. And I also use it for bubbles for DD's bath and her body soap. We use Tom's of Maine toothpaste (they make a great Silly Strawberry for kids) and I don't believe it has sodium laureth/lauryl sulfate in it. Also at a great price at TJ's.

Hopefully the prices will come down on these products as more and more people become aware of the dangers.

Blessings to you,

Cedarah
post #3 of 31
Thread Starter 
there is SLS in Tom's toothpaste... even silly straw and their other kids toothpaste.

so far all I found without is Burt's Bees Lavendar toothpaste.

I love the Avalon stuff too. That's what we use, but no TJ's around!
post #4 of 31
Quote:
Originally posted by namama
there is SLS in Tom's toothpaste... even silly straw and their other kids toothpaste.

so far all I found without is Burt's Bees Lavendar toothpaste.

I love the Avalon stuff too. That's what we use, but no TJ's around!
ACK! Back to the drawing board for me on toothpaste then! Why does toothpaste need to "lather"? BLECH! Problem is, dd is three and into that stage where new things = bad. (I'm sure this is some evolutionary trait put in place to discourage eating poisoned berries or some such!). Will have to check out the Burt's Bees.

Sorry no Trader Joe's in your area. Maybe write them and let them know there are interested folks in the area. They save us a tremendous amount of money on health food oriented stuff!

Maybe www.askdrweil.com has some info on the sodium laurel/laureth sulfate debate?
post #5 of 31
Hmmm . . . Dr. Weil thinks it is no biggie . . .

http://www.drweil.com/drw/app/cda/dr...uestionId=3513

If you find anything more out, please post and let me know. It would save a lot of money if I wasn't having to buy such expensive soaps and such. (Even with the great Avalon prices at TJ's!)
post #6 of 31
Sodium Lauryl Sulfate in TOM is derived from coconut oil. If you are really afraid of SLS then you have to stop using soap! The bad stuff is, like other "bad" stuff, made in a chemical plant, and has never seen nature. They add the stuff to toothpaste because people who have been raised on reg. toothpaste like the feel of the smooth paste.
All things in moderation....
post #7 of 31
Sodium Laural Sulfate is definitely on my toxic list. I quit buying anything containing SLS over 2 years ago.

California babies makes a nice body wash & even bubble bath for little ones. Weleda products are good, I think. My son uses the Plant Gel Toothpaste from Weleda. He is SO picky about toothpaste. I, personally, don't like the taste of it but it's the only one of all I tried that he would use! lol

I use a lot of products from a line called Organic Essentials by a company called Freelife. It is kind of like a network marketing thing but I only order for myself. I just place a personal order every month & get a nice discounted price. I noticed a difference right away in my skin with their products. There's a website where you can order but I just checked it out right quick & it's not working. I'll try to come back & post it. There's a lot of info there, too, I think. I use their facial products, body wash, toothpaste, & shampoo. I also use Aubrey's organics shampoo & conditioner & love that, too.

It can be confusing & frustrating at first when it seems like everything you pick up contains the toxic ingredient but once you find a product you like, you don't have to think about it anymore!
post #8 of 31
Weleda toothpaste does not contain SLS. I don't think any of their other products do either.
You can find good deals on Weleda and other health-conscious brands at
[www.kokogm.com
post #9 of 31
Quote:
Originally posted by RasJane
Sodium Lauryl Sulfate in TOM is derived from coconut oil. If you are really afraid of SLS then you have to stop using soap! The bad stuff is, like other "bad" stuff, made in a chemical plant, and has never seen nature. They add the stuff to toothpaste because people who have been raised on reg. toothpaste like the feel of the smooth paste.
All things in moderation....
So, just so I understand . . . You are saying if the SLS is derived from a natural source, it isn't harmful? DD used to use a yummy liquid soap/shampoo by Healthy Tymes that listed SLS from coconut oil, and I wondered why they named the source like that. I ditched it when I read concerns regarding SLS, but other than that, we really liked the product. Where did you hear that it was okay if from a natural source, if I may ask?

TIA!

post #10 of 31
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Cedarah


So, just so I understand . . . You are saying if the SLS is derived from a natural source, it isn't harmful?
Cedarah --I second this question. I think we need more information. There is a thunderstorm this morning and rain on top a 2 feet of new snow. I think we'll be staying home and doing a bit of SLS research.

I'll post what I find!
post #11 of 31
I posted this same question on another board.
From what i recall even if the SLS is derived from coconut
it is still harmful/toxic - i beleive it is the way it is processed.
It's tough to find anything without it.

I buy Aubrey Organic products - they seem to be the purest
on the market - at least that's what i think now - i hope i dont
start to hear that there is something "bad" in these too. And i
think someone else already mentioned the Weleda products.

Curious to hear more info.

Miche
post #12 of 31
I forgot to add that Jason has a new line of toothpastes
that are SLS free and they are not as expensive as Weleda.

Miche
post #13 of 31
According to a recent article in Vegetarian Baby and Child magazine, SLS is a problem for many people and is used as a foaming agent in shampoos, bubble baths, etc. Many companies try to disguise this chemical by stating that it "comes from coconut oil", but it is still SLS. One of its biggest problems is that it has been linked to retina damage in newborns. This article makes no mention of it being a carcinogen, though.

Kimberly
post #14 of 31
argh!! I am so sad... I thought all Weledas products were SLS-free... then I read the ingrediants on my favorite salt-and-baking soda toothpaste by Weleda, and "sodium sulfate" was listed. I am assuming this is the same as SLS. So, at the coop today I read all the Weleda products ingrediants... SLS is not in any of their baby products, including baby tooth gel, and is not in any of the other toothpastes- just my favorite one. But it was listed in their shampoo...
So, I switched toothpastes today. I bought Jasons brand. If this ingrediant is so bad why are these "natural" companies using it??
post #15 of 31
Thread Starter 
Quote:
[i]If this ingrediant is so bad why are these "natural" companies using it?? [/B]
too true. that is what i am trying to figure out. i asked a local botanical guru to check it out for me. i'll post what she says.
post #16 of 31
Sodium lauryl sulfate SLS is a strong detergent.
Sodium laureth sulfate SLES is a weak detergent.
Neither are soaps.
Neither have been found to cause cancer.
The furror over their use in toiletries is the result of an unsubstantiated urban legend that has been spreading by e-mail.
It is debunked here: http://www.snopes2.com/toxins/shampoo.htm

I suffer from many chemical sensitivities myself, so I understand the concerns you all have, but this one is pretty much unfounded.
post #17 of 31
In response to the "urban legend" site - i thought i would post this info. from lindachae.com - she gives good info. on all sorts of chemical additives in beauty products. This is what she has to say about.........

Sodium Laureth Sulfate
Sodium Lauryl Sulfate


There is a lot of information – and misinformation – in the media about these surfactants. Several internet websites, particularly those concerned with human health and environmental safety, list all of the reasons their products do not contain SLS or SLES. Other sites, such as "urban legends" sites, and specifically those sites that advertise products containing SLS or SLES, claim that all of the information showing SLS and/or SLES to be at least worth further study, if not downright dangerous, is nothing but hype.

SLS/SLES is a detergent, wetting agent, and emulsifier. It is used in about 98% of all "personal care" products as well as other products; hand and body creams, depilatories, bubble baths, hair color kits, shampoos, conditioners, toothpastes, shaving cream, shower gel, facial cleansers, "baby wipes", "soapless" shampoos, and many others.

It is sometimes listed as "coconut oil" or "from coconuts" because it is originally derived from coconuts. However, pure, unprocessed coconut oil is NOT SLS. The American College of Toxicology says that SLS stays in the body up to five days. Other studies show it easily penetrates the skin, and enters and maintains residual levels in the heart, liver, lungs, and even the brain. X6

Cosmetics-industry apologists often claim that the same American College of Toxicology study also reports: "Both Sodium and Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate appear to be safe in formulations designed for discontinuous, brief use followed by thorough rinsing from the surface of the skin. In products intended for prolonged contact with skin, concentrations should not exceed 1%."

Well, yes, it does say that. Please notice the words "discontinuous, brief use followed by thorough rinsing…." – how many of America’s children have a "discontinuous, brief" bubble bath? And "should not exceed 1%" – yet, in a number of shampoos, SLS is the FIRST ingredient listed. It definitely comprises more than 1% in those products.

In addition, since it is in nearly every product used for personal cleaning, any one person taking a shower, shampooing and conditioning hair, using a special cleanser for "sensitive" skin, and brushing teeth, has just absorbed far more than the supposed "safe" amount.

Worse, now some toothpastes containing both SLS and Triclosan are claiming that their toothpastes "continue working" or "stay on the teeth" for up to twelve hours after brushing. That is hardly a "discontinuous, brief use".

Here is a synopsis of what some reports show about Sodium Lauryl and Laureth Sulfate:

SLS penetrates eyes and tissues. Tests show that SLS can penetrate into the eyes as well as systemic tissues (brain, heart, liver, etc.) and shows long-term retention is those tissues. There is an immediate concern relating to this eye penetration, especially when used in soaps, shampoos, and bubble baths: Dr. Keith Green, Ph.D., D.Sc., reports that…."Sodium Lauryl Sulfate denatures the proteins of eye tissues, impairing development permanently. Because it is absorbed through the skin, it does not have to enter the eye directly….", And "Sodium Lauryl Sulfate impairs proper structural formation of young eyes and causes permanent eye damage. SLS causes eye irritation, is linked to cataracts, and delays healing of corneal tissue….".x8

SLS can form nitrates and nitrosamines (potent carcinogens that cause the body to absorb nitrates at higher levels than even nitrate-contaminated food, such as some hot dog meats or some bacon). Particularly in combination with the DEA, TEA, and MEA (Diethanolamine, Triethanolamine, and Monoethano- lamine, themselves very questionable ingredients) SLS/SLES has been found capable of producing these carcinogens. The FDA is currently studying the problem of the Di-, Mono-, and Tri- ethanolamines and is considering legal options at this time.

SLS/SLES can strip moisture and oils from the skin. It is a degreaser as well as a sudsing agent. According to the Journal of Investigative Dermatology, and the above-mentioned J. Am. College of Toxicology report, SLS produces skin and hair damage, including cracking and severe inflammation of the derma-epidermis tissue. The denaturation properties can also separate and inflame skin layers. SLS has a "degenerative effect on the cell membranes" and SLS causes slight to moderate skin irritation in low concentrations, and skin corrosion and severe irritation in high concentrations.x9

SLS/SLES may not "cause" cancer, but definitely can produce carcinogens in combination with other common ingredients. That alone should be enough to initiate further studies. And the questions regarding eye damage, particularly to babies and children, are certainly deserving of more investigation.
post #18 of 31
At the bottom of the Urban legends site are a couple links to American Cancer Society articles that also discuss the safety of SLS and SLES. I think they should be worth reading for anyone interested in this topic.

For anybody who doesn't know, Linda Chae is a cosmetic formulator for a multi-level marketing company (www.freelife.com) that sells natural skin care products, vitamins, etc. As such, she has a vested interest in making you afraid of other beauty products and their ingredients. This alone taints her credibility for me.

It gets further tainted when I compare what she has written about Dr. Green's research to the American Cancer Society's article "Bubble, Bubble, Toil and Trouble" that also quotes Dr. Green and discusses his research on SLS.

I tend to be more inclined to believe divested third parties, like Snopes and the American Cancer Society, than someone who sells their product through infomercials and multi-level marketing. What can I say... It's just a bias I have.
post #19 of 31
Kiss My Face has a soap that is SLS/SLES free, it's called Pure Olive Oil Soap
How about using baking soda as a toothpaste? (if you can stand the taste)
post #20 of 31
I am with Dashsmama. I tend to believe http://www.cosmeticscop.com/, even though Paula now has her own line, she is very, very scrupulous about conflicts of interests. And her line is not sold through MLM (that's a bad one), and, she does not sell vitamins.

According to her research, both compounds are not carcinogenic. Irritating tho.

See http://www.cosmeticscop.com/babyskin/indexframe3.htm

What I completely fail to understand is the concern over what's in a bubble bath. Children should not have bubble baths, girls especially. It's an unnecessary product. THere are many other fun things to do in the tub.
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