The Teenage Voice

[grendal82002]

So, I was on this other board looking up information for my cousin and I thought, why not look at the circumcision board. So I did. I read one thread, and it sort of makes it more difficult for intactivism to prevail. Apparently some kid came on and said how happy he was that he is circumcised and all the parents ate it up like pancakes, saying how the intactivists dont know what they are talking about kids end up loving being circumcised and what not.

I guess whats needed is teenagers on the intactivism side to come out and say positive things about being intact maybe then we will move one step closer to our goal. What do all of you think? Also if you have kids what are they saying?

p.s. i apologize ahead of time if this is not logically coherent, because i'm half asleep and I just want to get this out before I forget about it. Thanks!

[greenrosemom4]

Well most likely what you saw was a post written by a circumfetish. They often pose as teenage boys, men circed as adults and so on, in their efforts to get parents to circumsize their sons.

I saw one the other day where the "young man" that claimed to be 14 was just gushing about how sensitive he is and and how wonderfull it looked. Like I'm supposed to believe a 14 year old has used his penis enough to make such determinations. And this 14 year old was even offering to send pictures of his "perfect circ" to anyone who wanted one. Now isn't that special. And the pro circs were eating it up. Gag.

[Mommiska]

Originally Posted by greenrosemom4

Well most likely what you saw was a post written by a circumfetish. They often pose as teenage boys, men circed as adults and so on, in their efforts to get parents to circumsize their sons.

I saw one the other day where the "young man" that claimed to be 14 was just gushing about how sensitive he is and and how wonderfull it looked. Like I'm supposed to believe a 14 year old has used his penis enough to make such determinations. And this 14 year old was even offering to send pictures of his "perfect circ" to anyone who wanted one. Now isn't that special. And the pro circs were eating it up. Gag.

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We are winning this battle. Once people are given all of the facts about circumcision, most of them see if for what it really is - barbaric.

Pro-circs are getting desperate and will use any weapon they can - including posing as a teenage boy 'in love' with being circed :Puke . And moms who have circed their sons are going to eat that kind of stuff up - they are in denial as well, although with all of the information out there, they have got to be wondering how they are going to explain to their son that they cut off the best part of his penis, you know?

Anyone who comes along and reassures them that their son is going to love the fact that they were cut up at birth - that makes them feel better, so they'll suspend logic/reason to believe it.

But the very fact that they are lapping this guy up proves our main point - His body, his choice.

If RIC really should be up to the parent, why do they care so much what a 14 year old boy thinks about his penis? It doesn't matter, right? It's up to his parents how THEY wanted his penis to look - right? :

[grendal82002]

Originally Posted by greenrosemom4

Well most likely what you saw was a post written by a circumfetish. They often pose as teenage boys, men circed as adults and so on, in their efforts to get parents to circumsize their sons.

True but the parents lurking that thread they might not know that that post was by a circumfetish so they are probably going to eat it up as well, espcially if they are on the fence.

[GoodMomma]

My 14 year old brother is intact and he says he's glad he is. He doesn't understand why parents circ (he's adopted). He's never had any issues in the locker room, he says nobody looks at each other.

[Organicavocado]

To make up her mind on the subject, a teen girl I know interviewed guys she knew on whether they were cut or not, and their thoughts on the whole thing. All the circed guys were "happy" but admittedly hadn't thought of it much.

Theyre not all circumfetishes and whatnot. The giant point is that they don't know better if they were cut at birth... what is there to compare it to? I just don't see how you can know if youre happy with the outcome if you haven't experienced both sides of the argument personally. I guess you can turn that right around and say the same thing to an intact male, but IMO it's much less effective because this is the natural state of things and not a mutilation that "needs to be defended" if you will.

But... they just don't know better. They're probably being reassured by other males who are also cut, and their parents who made the decision for them, that this is the better way to be. They certainly aren't speaking from experience... how do you know sex "feels better" without a foreskin? That your penis is cleaner? That it smells different etc.? There's nothing to compare it to.

And I'd hate to make circumcised kids feel bad about themselves when it wasn't their choice in the first place. You cant really say "Hey don't be proud of how you are because it's wrong" and that might be the impression they're getting that they feel they need to rebel against.. instead of thinking "I know you're trying to protect the next generation" theyre probably thinking "Hey! There's nothing wrong with me!" and thats where the damage is done. It's hard to be an anti-circ activist without making the circumcised kids (again, who had no choice in the matter) feel inferior or attacked in these cases.. it's hard to protect everyone in such a volatile debate, esp. when teenagers (who are impressionable) are involved. I'm not saying back away.. not at all... just be aware of it.

The best way to do things is the way we are doing things- educating as many people as possible- and hope that these kids are turned around in time (or they meet a woman who will put her foot down for their kids).

In all fairness, I don't think they realize the damage they're doing, or that they care. I think they're trying to defend a choice that they had nothing to do with that now they feel inferior for. Maybe they feel backed in a corner. I want to change the world so strongly, but I don't want to do it by making kids feel bad for a choice their parents made. That's not going to change anybody's minds, thats just going to perpetuate the feeling that the anti-circ community is coocoo and volatile, and I'm pretty tired of hearing that...

Unfortunately I think the only people who have a chance to change teenage (boy's) minds are going to be parents and peers (and I know there will be exceptions, but even being heavily baby minded I didn't do any circ research or even think about it when I was a teenager). Well, mostly parents... as the parents are going to govern the peers anyway. Therefore its most important to reach the parents. I think even if there are peers who are happy being intact talk about it openly, a lot of these circed boys are still going to be defensive just per teenage mindset. It would be great to put the bug in their ear but it might not work that way.

Now Im just rambling, sorry