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post #1 of 13
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I just got off the phone with my mom. I love my mom.....she's an amazing woman and an awesome mom. She has 7 children of her own, and has raised countless foster children over the last 39 years.

But you remember those SNL sketches about Debbie Downer? Totally based on my mom! At the beginning of this pregnancy, I got a false negative test (my cycle was weird and I just tested too early) and when I told my mom that I'd suspected, but it was negative, her response was "Well, for your sake, I'm glad! Babies are nice, but you need to know when to stop!" Thanks mom....since you apparently think I needed to stop after #3, and since I am your fourth child, the implication is clear that you wish you'd stopped before I was born!

But anyway, given her response, it's understandable perhaps that we waited until nearly 18 weeks to announce our joyful news...she did not acknowledge our announcement in any way whatsoever, and until our conversation just now, she had not made one comment/question about my pregnancy, or the baby, or anything related to this impending birth.

So, I felt a bit better that she asked me this morning when I'm due...at least there was some acknowledgement made! But then she had to go and spoil it by asking disdainfully, "Are you doing that midwife thing again?" : bah! Our last 2 children were midwife-attended homebirths, so I'm really not sure why she even felt the need to ask....

But just then, in a very rare moment of genius, I heard myself saying, "Well, we strongly considered just doing it ourselves this time, but in the end we decided that it'd be worth it to have the midwife there, just so we don't have to deal with the clean-up afterward! Plus, she'll cook the placenta for us, so I won't have to do that, either!"

Knowing my mom, I'm betting that last bit caused her to vomit a bit in her mouth! I know, I'm evil and unrepentant, but for heaven's sake I'm tired of dealing with her negativity and the unfounded fears she just loves to hold onto no matter what! I guess we'll probably go back to ignoring the issue now, but oh well. I know she'll love the baby once s/he gets here.

The only problem is that now I have no idea what I'll say if/when we are blessed with #5, and if/when we decide to actually UC. I can't think of anything likely to shock her more than the concept of UC....maybe I should say, "No, this time I think we'll just go to the hospital and ask them for a c-section. Just to change things up a bit, you know?"

Seriously though....any tips on how to kindly/constructively deal with her? She lives 2000 miles away, so it's not so much a direct issue, but of course she knows how to push all my buttons and make me feel like a stupid child again. I prolly should just ignore it.....make my mantra be "water off a duck's back!"
post #2 of 13
Sorry, no advice, but I was roflmao at your post, and I even called my friend to read it to her, we can SO relate!

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The only problem is that now I have no idea what I'll say if/when we are blessed with #5, and if/when we decide to actually UC. I can't think of anything likely to shock her more than the concept of UC....maybe I should say, "No, this time I think we'll just go to the hospital and ask them for a c-section. Just to change things up a bit, you know?"
post #3 of 13


Sarah, you can always make me laugh!
post #4 of 13
That really was perfect. I laughed with gusto.

But, advice? What do you want from her? Maybe it would help you to know what you would like from her. Do you want her to accept you and your decisions? If so, I don't have any advice from personal experience as I can't even get my family to accept breastfeeding.

Good luck, and keep up the humor.
post #5 of 13
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Thanks, mamas!

I'm not feeling so ornery any more, but you've reassured me that maybe I wasn't entirely evil!

As for my mom.....I guess we are back to ignoring my pregnancy...I just talked to her, and told her I had to get off the phone and get ready for my mw appt....her response was silence, then (when I let the silence stretch) just a small "Okay, talk to you later." But I could be making too much of that...I know that she is going through a lot right now, with the 5 foster kids they have right now, as well as my baby brother (who just started kindergarten and is quite the handful!). I'm trying not to be self-absorbed...my pg just isn't a major world issue, even though of course it ought to be!

I watched the play BIRTH a couple weeks ago, and even though I'm really not too much of a touchy-feely person (I only went because I wanted to support my friends that had worked so hard to get it done, and because I wanted to hear the Talk Back panel afterwards....I expected to find the play itself a bit cheesy, TBH), but I cried outright when the character of Sandra was talking to her mom after her birth.

What do I want from my mom? I want her to not be so scared, so that she can be my strength. I want to not be hesitant to invite her--beg her--to be here for this birth, because I haven't even tried to convince her to be there for any of the others (it would be difficult, logistically, for her to be here since she lives across the country, but I wish I could at least feel that asking her would not be asking too much, yk?). And since this may be my last baby (if dh gets his way ), I want my mom. I really do.....I want her to stroke my cheek and push my hair behind my ear the way she always did when I was a child. I want the comfort of her presence, to hear her hum under her breath the way she always does. To know that she is there for my other children, because I can't think of another woman on this earth that I would rather have caring for them if I am not able to. I want her to cook for me, drink hot tea with me while I nurse my new baby. To know that if I must let go of that precious bundle for even a minute (to get a shower/use the toilet) that her arms will cradle my baby almost as sweetly as mine can. I want her to watch her grandchild be born....to see and understand my strength....and understand that I owe that strength in large part to her! I want her to see that birth can be so much more than what her experiences were limited to....that her fear of birth is not her failing, but the failing of the medical climate that controlled her experiences. I just want my mama to be part of this birth....but more than that, I want her to want to be part of it.
post #6 of 13
sounds like we have the same mom...

she's convinced we are ALL GONNA DIE! (because i'm 40...)
she can't believe i'm not going to the DOCTOR! (all my babies were born at home)
she refused to acknowledge this pregnancy at all until i started showing... (because i've miscarried before)
she's postitive that my blood is low and i need EVERY TEST (because i'm tired?)

I finally took your #5 course with her and said the other day:
"Maybe I'll just call the doc now and have him give me an emergency C-section." (i'm 17 weeks)

she managed to actually muster:
"well i wouldn't go THAT far"

could have fooled me...
My mom will love this baby too, once it's here, and she will come and do my laundry and mop my floor while i'm in labor, but she is NOT GOING TO ACT HAPPY ABOUT ANY OF IT!
I can only imagine if she had little ones of her own...

I'm sorry you have to be disappointed in your mom... I know the feeling. Perhaps being such a doubter and negative nelly is how my mom made me so stubborn and independent! *shrug*
at least dh's parents are thrilled to death. lol
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
Well, hey there, Sis!

Don't even get me started on my MIL! Not gonna go there!

You know, I'm not sure I would even say I'm "disappointed" in my mom. That implies that I don't think she measures up, which isn't the case at all. I guess I'm just sad that the bond I wish we could have between us--the bond of mothers--just isn't. And I'm confused about her attitude towards the number of children we have....she, who has 7 of her own, and who has totally devoted her LIFE to raising kids, and she doesn't understand that I want a large family? Well, it's HER FAULT I want a large family!!! She raised me to be this way--to see the amazing blessing that family is, that siblings are. I know it's not easy, and I know that I will have to sacrifice some things later in life (big vacations, serene retirement, whatever...) because I will be raising children. But honestly, I can't understand why she's trying to discourage me from having the fulfillment that she has found!

I know it stems from love and concern for me, but she seems to think that I haven't thought it through, that I don't realize what I may be getting myself into.

But I digress....that issue is really totally separate from the birth issue.

Thanks for listening!
post #8 of 13
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But honestly, I can't understand why she's trying to discourage me from having the fulfillment that she has found!
What comes to my mind is that perhaps it was not a fulfillment for her or maybe that it was not one that she would have chosen for herself. I know my mom had 4 kids by the age of 28. The first 3 were born betw Nov '69 & Dec '71 (by which time she was 24). It was not what she would have chosen. I remember as a young teen asking her why she needed a prescription @ the drugstore when she wasn't sick & her explaining to me that, although they were Catholic, she'd gotten special permission from our priest to take birth control pills. I know she loves us all and I've come to recognize how difficult it must have been for her. I still sometimes resent her lack of what I considered "mothering", but I can also feel for her as a woman. We were brought up being told that we "weren't allowed to get married until we were 25". I used to be so upset by the negative things she'd say about being a mom, but I do know that it was not about us kids so much as about her. On the plus side for us, she was always on our side when we wanted to do fun things like drive cross country with friends or go to some crazy concert or whatever! And, although she can't imagine why we're having #3 or considering more after this one, she doesn't interfere or nag me about it

Happily, she's getting to explore the world and have adventures now. And I think she's achieved some peace with her past & doesn't feel so cheated anymore.
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
I guess that would make some sense, if not for the fact that she DID choose her life. She is an amazing mother, an amazing nurturer. And she has chosen to continue foster care for all these years.....she (and my dad of course....don't mean to leave him out except that this is about *her* not them) even chose to adopt my baby brother 5 years ago! He was a foster child placed in their home right after birth, and they ended up having to fight quite a battle to keep him (the case workers claimed my parents were "too old" to adopt an infant . So, it's not like she's just been blindsided by the drudgery of motherhood, yk? Or that she had no other choice, no alternative path she could have taken.

I just really don't understand it, and the more I try to, the more it seems that the only answer is that, for some reason, she just doesn't think I'm capable of living this life.
post #10 of 13
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I guess that would make some sense, if not for the fact that she DID choose her life. She is an amazing mother, an amazing nurturer. And she has chosen to continue foster care for all these years.....she (and my dad of course....don't mean to leave him out except that this is about *her* not them) even chose to adopt my baby brother 5 years ago! He was a foster child placed in their home right after birth, and they ended up having to fight quite a battle to keep him (the case workers claimed my parents were "too old" to adopt an infant . So, it's not like she's just been blindsided by the drudgery of motherhood, yk? Or that she had no other choice, no alternative path she could have taken.

I just really don't understand it, and the more I try to, the more it seems that the only answer is that, for some reason, she just doesn't think I'm capable of living this life.

It does sound a lot harder to understand when you put it that way! I guess I have a hard time accepting that somewhere in there isn't (misguided/misplaced perhaps) concern for you, but it certainly seems strange. I, personally, hope that there is better communication between me & my daughters than there was between me & my mother. She can still make me insane by the slightest comment (like how every time she comes across any homeschoolers, she always tells me how weird they are-"so & so's son is 8 years old already and he can't ride a bike!") & I feel so defensive and angry. I think I can logically understand where she is coming from, but emotionally, I'm still entangled! In any case, it helps me to think that the issues are hers, even though they may seem to be about me!

Sorry for dumping this on your rant, but it seems to be flowing out of me unsolicited! Looks like I've got some issues of my own to deal with here
post #11 of 13
Yeah my mom is totally freaked out about me homebirthing, the good thing is she has a bad memory and has already forgotten that we plan on HBing. So now anytime I mention it she gets to freak out all over again then forget again.

I know she is just concerned because she had a hard birth with me. This was back in the day when they shaved you, internal fetal monitors, and all that nasty stuff. Anyhow she never dialated anymore once she reached the hospital, had a long labor (more than 24hrs) and it wasn't till the Dr mentioned that he might have to C-section her that she did dialate and she did dialate to 10cm in no time after that. Still used forcepts though, did a nice job with them though, no damage. Although I was stone out of my mind when I came out. They had to shoot me with some uppers to get me to respond to anything. My mom just doesn't get that she would have dilated a lot faster had she been in a comfortable and safe feeling enviroment.
post #12 of 13
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What do I want from my mom? I want her to not be so scared, so that she can be my strength. I want to not be hesitant to invite her--beg her--to be here for this birth, because I haven't even tried to convince her to be there for any of the others (it would be difficult, logistically, for her to be here since she lives across the country, but I wish I could at least feel that asking her would not be asking too much, yk?). And since this may be my last baby (if dh gets his way ), I want my mom. I really do.....I want her to stroke my cheek and push my hair behind my ear the way she always did when I was a child. I want the comfort of her presence, to hear her hum under her breath the way she always does. To know that she is there for my other children, because I can't think of another woman on this earth that I would rather have caring for them if I am not able to. I want her to cook for me, drink hot tea with me while I nurse my new baby. To know that if I must let go of that precious bundle for even a minute (to get a shower/use the toilet) that her arms will cradle my baby almost as sweetly as mine can. I want her to watch her grandchild be born....to see and understand my strength....and understand that I owe that strength in large part to her! I want her to see that birth can be so much more than what her experiences were limited to....that her fear of birth is not her failing, but the failing of the medical climate that controlled her experiences. I just want my mama to be part of this birth....but more than that, I want her to want to be part of it.
Wow... I totally get this. I big "me, too" on that score.

Our mothers are not particularly alike, but there are some similarities in the relationship. Of course, you know how when you read a (non-fiction) book, you start to see everything through the lens of your new knowledge... but with that disclaimer, I recently read "Trapped in the Mirror" which is about adult children of narcissists. I think my therapist finally decided after 7 years of trying to get this concept across to me, maybe another medium was in order. ;-) Sure enough, it worked brilliantly; a lot of the concepts she laid the groundwork for crystallized when I saw them described in more clinical terms in black-and-white. Even though I didn't really like the style of the book much, there was a lot I found useful.

All that's to say... one of the ideas the author points out is that, for dealing with a parent who harps on a particular issue, sometimes drastic humor is the best response. The example she gave was an unmarried woman whose father always got on her case for not having "found a man." He thought it was very important for her to "marry well," give him a son-in-law HE could brag about.

So he brings it up, and of course, in front of family/friends who have "successful" marriages that she compared unfavorably to. So she deadpans, "You know, Dad, since you brought it up, there's something I've been wanting to tell you for a long time... I'm gay." Of course, this *humiliated* him in front of the others. And he never, ever brought up her marital status again.

Yeah, it seems too far to go, doesn't it? But then again, when someone else takes it too far, sometimes all you can do is meet them where they are to show them the way.

(If we decide to homebirth, I know my mom is going to FREAK... but, whatever, that's her problem. If she can't wrap her brain around it, she won't get to be there. End of story.)
post #13 of 13
I hate to say this... But yeah, just ignore it. My mom was the same way and worse.

Congrats on your pregnancy!!!
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