On declining newborn "procedures"... - Page 2

[GinaRae]

I think the visual of the gorilla mama and dad not allowing the theft of their baby is something I really needed right now. I am feeling so deflated.

[monocyte]

Originally Posted by sorteep

The MW was VERY clear that at Bryn MAwr hospital (where they trans to) absolutely, under no circumstances allows any parents in the nursery, no mater what, they cited HIPPA regs... we are still working on it

jumping in here ot...in PA?

I went to Jefferson and did alot of my training at Lankenau, Bryn Mawr, Paoli. I still have some connections to BM...wow, I had no clue that they didnt let parents in.

[monocyte]

Originally Posted by sorteep

link

http://www.birthwithlove.com/categor...s%2DOral+Vit+K

This is what I also have on hand. I don't like the injectable UNLESS there is some obvious birth trauma, etc. Not even sure how I feel about using the injectable as oral...our pedi wrote us an amazing letter in support of NOT doing IM K. She's so on board with us. I will post more about that some other time, but its a situation that was really p*ssing me off with the hospital we are birthing at (unfortunately, our pedi doesnt use the hospital, so...we are stuck with whoever, and whatever their beliefs are.) I feel we are set now with "the letter" in support of us. She even listed the dosage for the oral K so there should be no question.

[oskie]

Originally Posted by monocyte

jumping in here ot...in PA?

I went to Jefferson and did alot of my training at Lankenau, Bryn Mawr, Paoli. I still have some connections to BM...wow, I had no clue that they didnt let parents in.

Yep, in PA.

Sorry to continue the OT stuff. I promise I'll be a gorilla when the time comes, but right now, I'm more like a goldfish, easily distracted and forgetful.

"Oh look, a castle!"

*swim*

"Oh look, a castle!"

*swim*

[sorteep]

Originally Posted by monocyte

jumping in here ot...in PA?

I went to Jefferson and did alot of my training at Lankenau, Bryn Mawr, Paoli. I still have some connections to BM...wow, I had no clue that they didnt let parents in.

yes, Bryn Mawr , PA
I had Evan at Lankenau in 2000 and it was no prob to go in nursery with him then (I think they are same health system so same "rules") since then the Hippa crap has really hit the fan so they quoted that as the reason.. which is BS because then how are moms and Dad's allowed in teh NICU? and alos I know it is a hospital policy not an actual law or anything like they make it sound like it is.. how Hippa is enforced is regulated by teh hospital rules , it is not specific.. and let's be honest, hippa is literally impossible to totally be incompliabnce with so the hospital is choosing to use it for their convenience in this case (IMHO)

Anyway, *if* I end up at BM it's gonna be UGLY.. really ugly...

[wwisdomskr]

Originally Posted by Isaac'sMa

Laura, thanks for the link.
Jessica, again, sorry.

Why in the world are you sorry, Mama?

[Curlita]

Great info in this thread, and I'm into the gorilla image also... I consider myself SO LUCKY to be going to a hospital that doesn't have a nursery, does rooming in as a default, breast-feeding as a default, and does what I consider to be minimal mother-baby separation. I think they took Dylan to weigh him and do hearing tests, etc. once a day for maybe 10-15 minutes. It was at least 12 hours after the birth that we were separated at all. I have to admit that I didn't like being separated from him even that much, but couldn't walk and didn't think to send Jonny along. This time around I'll be more on top of it.

I don't personally have an issue with Vitamin K or eye meds but have requested that eye meds and the K be administered AFTER the first nursing session -- partly so as not to delay the nursing, and partly because I don't want baby's vision compromised by the eye goo. We are delaying the Hepatitis B until baby's first pediatrics appointment.

RE: cord blood banking... something about the approach of the companies that do the banking really turns me off. They use fear tactics to convince parents to pay money for a service. I would feel differently about it if I had ever seen information from an unaffiliated entity (ie someone who doesn't stand to make money off of the banking) that recommended it. From what I have read (and I can't recall specifics, so please bear in mind that these are my vague recollections), the actual usefulness of the banked blood may be very limited. It just seems like a cheap shot to (as the ads do) encourage you to imagine your child very ill and in need of their expensive service.

Just my nickel's worth.

[gcgirl]

Originally Posted by Curlita

I don't personally have an issue with Vitamin K or eye meds but have requested that eye meds and the K be administered AFTER the first nursing session -- partly so as not to delay the nursing, and partly because I don't want baby's vision compromised by the eye goo. We are delaying the Hepatitis B until baby's first pediatrics appointment.

RE: cord blood banking... something about the approach of the companies that do the banking really turns me off. They use fear tactics to convince parents to pay money for a service. I would feel differently about it if I had ever seen information from an unaffiliated entity (ie someone who doesn't stand to make money off of the banking) that recommended it. From what I have read (and I can't recall specifics, so please bear in mind that these are my vague recollections), the actual usefulness of the banked blood may be very limited. It just seems like a cheap shot to (as the ads do) encourage you to imagine your child very ill and in need of their expensive service.

I'm 100% in agreement with you on these points. I'm ambivalent about the eye goop as long as it's delayed - basically I don't feel strongly enough about that one to fight over it... The vit K shot is harder; I'm on the fence about it, but I think we'll end up going for it. Internal bleeding can have many causes, not all of them obvious. I've heard the oral form tastes awful and can interfere with the baby's nursing. And the Hep B isn't necessary at birth since I don't have it.

I'd DONATE the baby's cord blood if it could be done after the pulsing has stopped and if there was a bank in my area that would accept it. Unfortunately, there isn't a donation system where I live. I wouldn't pay to bank it though, for the reasons you mentioned.

[monocyte]

Originally Posted by sorteep

yes, Bryn Mawr , PA
I had Evan at Lankenau in 2000 and it was no prob to go in nursery with him then (I think they are same health system so same "rules") since then the Hippa crap has really hit the fan so they quoted that as the reason.. which is BS because then how are moms and Dad's allowed in teh NICU? and alos I know it is a hospital policy not an actual law or anything like they make it sound like it is.. how Hippa is enforced is regulated by teh hospital rules , it is not specific.. and let's be honest, hippa is literally impossible to totally be incompliabnce with so the hospital is choosing to use it for their convenience in this case (IMHO)

Anyway, *if* I end up at BM it's gonna be UGLY.. really ugly...

Wow, small world. HIPPA is so crazy...I think this is a total stretch on HIPPA personally. Can you turn it against them and refuse even sending baby to the nursery bc of HIPPA?

[Da WIC Lady]

The wonderful thing about hospital procedures is that if you decline them and they are preformed anyway, you have the right to pursue criminal charges of assault. Not that many people know that, and the hospital sure as heck doesn't want you to know either. Just something to keep in mind when hospital staff get combative with you.

Anna

[GinaRae]

Good to know, Anna!

Someone here on MDC had mentioned a nurse that used to give the Hep B shot to babies even when parents declined, saying it was her duty to keep the baby safe. THAT just freaks me out! What if baby had a bad reaction and no one knew why. and if parents had it lined up to do later on a delayed schedule, baby was dosed twice. It infuriates me!

[Traceyky]

Hi ladies - poking my nose in sheepishly...

This is Tracey, I did the mama pad co op. I am also a midwife, and expecting our new babe in May. The hospital requirements/interventions caught my eye, lol... Amazing what should be considered when dealing with a hospital! It has been a while since I had to deal with one. Do your research! The first few hours of your baby's life make a difference! If you want to raise your vit K naturally (which is lacking in many american diets) a nettle/alfalfa tea the 3rd trimester works great. I am glad to see you all on a board where "alternative thoughts" are at least discussed, I was on a more "traditional" board and had to get off... it made me too angry/sad!

Tracey

[gcgirl]

Originally Posted by Traceyky

If you want to raise your vit K naturally (which is lacking in many american diets) a nettle/alfalfa tea the 3rd trimester works great.

Tracey

Except I can't find any documentation anywhere that vit K levels transfer from mother to baby. If I could find a reliable source, I'd do that instead. Well, I'm doing it anyway, but I'm not counting on it to raise my kiddo's levels.