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post #81 of 420
Hmmm also I guess it bothers me on an emotional level...

Doing the right thing is often less convenient than the "easier" road. Whether or not BF is "easier"/convenient, it remains the RIGHT thing to do, or to TRY ones utmost best to do, so comparing FF or BF in terms of convenience bothers me. CIO is definitely more convenient (stick the baby in a seperate room, try using loud music to drown out the pleas) than cradling/rocking a colicky babe for hours, yet we have no threads on MDC comparing CIO vs. AP.

That's just my personal bias, though. I started out with SERIOUS issues BF, and I'm glad I stuck with it. In that regard, I suppose I see the point of making mothers aware that there are definitely difficulties for some. It does make some mothers feel like failures. However, is it dangerous to entertain even more "bad press" about BF? Or is it more dangerous to not be as open about the occasional inconvenience of BF? (PS I am totally not minimizing anyone's serious, medical problems with BF — I've lived it, it's draining to say the least)
post #82 of 420
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Originally Posted by Momily View Post
Also, some of the arguments people give about why FF is hard make no sense to me -- sterilizing the bottles -- um the dishwasher does that, you just rinse the stuff and stick it in, it's no more difficult than washing the glasses I use.

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I am sure that in an ideal situation (no pumping, no medical issues, baby has a good latch, mom has time to devote to BF) BF can be easier -- but why not use an argument that applies to all families, rather than a select few.
Well, not necessarily because not everyone has a dishwasher. And it's very hard to use an argument that applies to all families because not all families are the same. Different lifestyles. AP families or not? Living in the United States? Which demographic? etc etc
post #83 of 420
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Originally Posted by MilkTrance View Post
However, is it dangerous to entertain even more "bad press" about BF? Or is it more dangerous to not be as open about the occasional inconvenience of BF? (PS I am totally not minimizing anyone's serious, medical problems with BF — I've lived it, it's draining to say the least)
That's a very good point. Prior to myself breastfeeding, I did not know of anybody else who did (not my mother, my sisters or my friends) so I relied a lot on breastfeeding books. It would have been nice to know that there would be some discomfort associated with breastfeeding as opposed to what's written in books where PAIN=BAD LATCH all the time. Sometimes even with a good latch there could be some discomfort. So it gets worrisome when you're doing pretty much everything right yet there's that feeling. It gets a little discouraging sometimes. KWIM?
But yeah, striking that balance between informing and intimidating might be a difficult thing to achieve too.
post #84 of 420
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Originally Posted by Momily View Post
I am sure that in an ideal situation (no pumping, no medical issues, baby has a good latch, mom has time to devote to BF) BF can be easier -- but why not use an argument that applies to all families, rather than a select few.
It's misleading to imply that only a "select few" mothers can breastfeed easily--the majority of breastfeeding mothers do not experience problems.
post #85 of 420
I still maintain that logics defies the "formula feeding is easier" argument. Breasts are quite difficult to forget at home. They come in easy open packaging, no mixing and heating required, no special washing (whether sterilizing, dishwasher washing or sink washing), no cooling containers. There's never any worry about running out and having to go to the store for more. Everything about formula feeding may not be difficult, but almost all of it you simply don't have to do while breastfeeding. The only "it's easier" argument that still stands is the fact that the mother doesn't have to feed her baby. She may choose to do it but she can easily pass off the baby into the hands of anyone else, or set the baby in a carrier/stroller with a propped bottle. (NOT saying anyone here is doing that but the point is, it's possible with no additional work, compared with breastfeeding which would require pumping)
post #86 of 420
For me I have never FF (dd got some in hospital for jaundice but I didnt give her the bottle couldnt handle seeing in in her mouth) I cant imagine it being easier to FF simply because for me all I had to do was lift shirt latch baby and sit and watch tv no getting up to mix no bottles and nipples to keep clean etc.
post #87 of 420
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Originally Posted by Momily View Post
Also, some of the arguments people give about why FF is hard make no sense to me -- sterilizing the bottles -- um the dishwasher does that, you just rinse the stuff and stick it in, it's no more difficult than washing the glasses I use.
Um, not everyone has a dishwasher? Is this some elitist thing? I don't mind the suggestion, but the sarcasm was a little unnecessary. Obviously if someone has a dishwasher (and in working order), it will probably occur to them to put the bottle in it. If you're reading posts by mamas who are washing by hand, did you really think that they had a dishwasher and just never thought about using it?
post #88 of 420
I've done exclusive formula-feeding and exclusive breastfeeding. I found that BFing is infinitely easier and less complicated, and it allows so much more freedom to go and do things with baby, take long trips, etc. I would never ever go back to formula feeding, even if they invented a perfect formula.
post #89 of 420
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Originally Posted by laohaire View Post
Um, not everyone has a dishwasher? Is this some elitist thing? I don't mind the suggestion, but the sarcasm was a little unnecessary. Obviously if someone has a dishwasher (and in working order), it will probably occur to them to put the bottle in it. If you're reading posts by mamas who are washing by hand, did you really think that they had a dishwasher and just never thought about using it?
No doubt. Even when I had a dishwasher when I had ds, it didn't always work. I lived in a ratty apartment and was lucky to have it...but it didn't work. I don't have hundreds of dollars to fix a worthless dishwasher.

I don't see the argument that ff is easy as being valid for a lot of people. I found it very hard. I wasn't used to bottles, we had to switch formulas a number of times, ds had more health issues, washing bottles was a PIA, as was finding the money to pay for the formula, make sure you had all your supplies even for a quick step out, and worrying about the quality of water in the bottle.

BF is not a cake walk for a lot of people-I went through many a week of bleeding, deathly painful nipples straight from h$!!, but that was nothing compared to the alternative.
post #90 of 420
I 100% Disagree. I was a nanny for fifteen years and had to feed more then twenty babies formula. It is NOT easier. It is expensive,you haveto dive to the store to get it,you always have to think about,you have to carry it,prepare it,store, clean and sterilize the bottles,ditto,the nipples,baby is not nearly as healthy as a breastfed baby,It smells like death,it tastes like death, it looks like death,It ruins everything in comes in contact with.
As a mom who has ebf for over 12 months and WAHm who has had infants unde my care, it is soooooo much easierr breastfeeding

1.Breast Baby Hungry put it to breast

2.Formula Fed baby: Oh your hungry hold on while I rinse you bottle, warm the filtered water mix the formula,shake the bottle,check the temp, put a bib in you cover myself and the furniture because of the evil staining powers and now that you are screaming bloody murder you can eat. Then you can spit it up all over me because you are eating too much at once. Then I will finish by cleaning a poop that no baby should do. Oh yah formula is so much easier.
post #91 of 420
I never put the bottles in the dishwasher. I didn't want soap or whatever residue left on them. Again, I had medical worries wrt my son, but I sterilized the bottles for 6 months. That's what I was told to do, so I did it.

Also, you need to make sure your dishwasher gets hot enough to sterilize. I didn't have a thermometer that I could check that out...

And I warmed up the bottles as a kindness to DS. I was also nursing part-time and pumping and I wanted to recreate the nursing experience as much as possible.

It took me WAY longer than 5 minutes to feed DS his bottle. He nursed much more efficiently, when he did nurse at all.
post #92 of 420
Seeing posts about the ease of FF when there are bottles with measured formula by the nightstand, and a thermos of warm water as well, and that washing the bottles is no problem makes me laugh a little. I guess I am lazy, but when I go to bed, I just want to shut off the light and sleep. Seems like a lot more effort to do all of the above, than to lift my shirt in the middle of the night and roll to one side. No need to take up dishwasher space with my breasts either!

And as for leaving the house. All I had to remember for at least the first six months, maybe longer, was to have the baby with me! (which with my wild bunch was about all I could manage)

You can use language to make FFing sound as easy as possible, but I still don't think there is anything easier than open mouth, insert breast.
post #93 of 420
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Originally Posted by hipmummy View Post

2.Formula Fed baby: Oh your hungry hold on while I rinse you bottle, warm the filtered water mix the formula,shake the bottle,check the temp, put a bib in you cover myself and the furniture because of the evil staining powers and now that you are screaming bloody murder you can eat. Then you can spit it up all over me because you are eating too much at once. Then I will finish by cleaning a poop that no baby should do. Oh yah formula is so much easier.
I never experienced anything like what you are describing. My son puked up breastmilk way more than the Goats Milk. I think a lot of it has to do with the quality of the formula you are supplementing with.
Goats Milk doesn't mess up a baby's tummy the same way cow or soy milk does.

But I cannot imagine watching a baby go through what you described. That is so sad. I bet a lot of people who FF don't realize that isn't normal. :
post #94 of 420
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Originally Posted by dentmom3 View Post
Seeing posts about the ease of FF when there are bottles with measured formula by the nightstand, and a thermos of warm water as well, and that washing the bottles is no problem makes me laugh a little. I guess I am lazy, but when I go to bed, I just want to shut off the light and sleep. Seems like a lot more effort to do all of the above, than to lift my shirt in the middle of the night and roll to one side. No need to take up dishwasher space with my breasts either!

And as for leaving the house. All I had to remember for at least the first six months, maybe longer, was to have the baby with me! (which with my wild bunch was about all I could manage)

You can use language to make FFing sound as easy as possible, but I still don't think there is anything easier than open mouth, insert breast.
And you know this because you have done both? Or are you just speculating?

It really is interesting how many people here who have only breastfed insist there is no way formula could be more convenient.

And for many women it is much more than Lift Shirt, Insert Breast. If it were that easy everyone would do it.

I personally had TONS of problems. I thankfully had support and that is the only reason I was able to BF for 5 months. I have talked to many women over the years who had similar experiences to mine.
I just don't think it is honest to present breastfeeding as being the easiest thing you could do.


We used the Avent Bag bottles so we didn't really have to wash much except the nipples, and that took maybe a couple minutes out of my day.




And I will say again that I don't think that ppl should FF out of convenience (I am not talking about needing to work etc.)
I am just trying to point out that for many women FF is easier, and I think that is why many women switch to formula or just never try to BF in the first place.

Hey, for some people bringing a bottle with you or mixing things is a nightmare. That's cool too. I am in no way trying to argue in favor FFing or say that it is better than/or as good as Bfing.
post #95 of 420
I think that breastfeeding has become a luxury that a lot of people can't afford, or at least think they can't afford. Mothers who work full time aren't returning to a breastfeeding-friendly environment. Pumping can be difficult, and many employers only tolerate pumping at work grudgingly.

People will continue to see formula as the "easier" option if society continues to treat breastfeeding as a wasteful and near-shameful activity. Time is money, and boobs are dirty, don't you know?

I feel lucky that my work has allowed me the flexibility to exclusively breastfeed my son, but I completely understand why some would choose to use formula because it is easier for them. I wish that our society was such that breastfeeding was not only the best and natural choice, but also truly easier for everyone to do.
post #96 of 420
I was 20 when I had dd. I had every nursing problem imaginable... and by the end of the first week, my nipples were literally torn to shreds, bleeding, and had literal rips in the sides of them. It took me three months to be able to nurse without crying hysterically through every nursing session.

And not once did I ever even entertain the notion of giving my child formula.

I was even told by a doctor when I developed mastitis that I couldn't feed her from my breast or I could give her "septicemia". I looked him in the eye and latched the baby on, anyway. He ran out into the hall to tell the other doctor that I was making my baby sick. : Unlike him, I had read every breastfeeding book I could get my hands on. I knew, at the age of 20, more than the doctors at the hospital and I told them so.

Ignorance is no excuse.

Anyway, after that initial period of suffering, it was sooooo much easier. We never even had to wake up to nurse.... a lot of times, she would latch on to me when we were both half- or fully asleep and never even had to wake up. When I began working, I pumped a few times a day in the back room. I didn't have to deal with bottles and thawing and rinsing and washing. My ex did.

It also depends on how you define "convenience". If you expand that definition to include all the INconveniences due to ff - such as more illnesses, doctor visits, upset tummies, screaming fits, needing to wake up to feed, missed work hours due to your child's illness, more health and medical problems as the child gets older that you need to deal with that could have otherwise been avoided - well, if you expand the inconveniences to include all the repercussions of not bf'ing, it is soooooooooooooooo much more inconvenient.
post #97 of 420
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Originally Posted by OldFashionedGirl View Post
(And what are people talking about "warming" a bottle? Don't you just use warm tap water?)
You shouldn't. Even the American Dental Association has issued a statement saying that infants shouldn't have formula mixed with tap water. You should use bottled water that is free of fluoride (and chlorine and all the other nasty stuff that is put in tap water).

My kiddo has never had formula. I guess breastfeeding was just too easy...never felt the need to add bottle-washing, measuring, mixing, warming, etc. to the mix. Never had to worry about timing my trips out to make sure that I had enough formula with me if we got tied up unexpectedly.

As far as the formula = Kraft argument...Goat's milk may not be like Kraft...Perhaps Similac is the Kraft of the formula world. Goat's milk would be like Annie's Mac-n-Cheese. Better than Kraft, but still not a very good thing to eat everyday if you can help it.
post #98 of 420
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It really is interesting how many people here who have only breastfed insist there is no way formula could be more convenient.
ditto that...


I ff my first and I he didnt scream bloody murder any more than my bf babies. I never had to have him wait - I had formula mixed ahead of time and just as with my bf babies I could more or less predict when he would want to eat. Moreso in fact than my bf babies. And I never had to cover myself and the furniture I was sitting on - thats just silly. And there were never complicated mathemetics involved in determining how much formula we would need for a day out.

For SOME FF IS easier and for SOME BF IS easier and those can even change situationally - sure FF is easier if mom wants to go out for the day - just hand off the baby. And BF is easier at nighttime IMO.

Either way I simply dont see how someone who hasnt done both can even answer. Because nothing is ever as we think it would be.
post #99 of 420
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Originally Posted by dubfam View Post
[CENTER][B][SIZE="3"]I just think it is silly not to acknowledge that there are MANY things about formula feeding that make it much easier for the mom.

That is why a lot of people switch to formula...because they are overwhelmed and it is sooo much easier than breastfeeding.
BTDT- It's not easier in any way, imo. Nothing about it.

I wonder if it's ever occurred to you that it may not be the most healthy thing for a baby to suck back that much milk in 5 minutes?

I wonder why it's such a big deal that Dad can feed the baby? Why can't dad just do all the other stuff? Fair enough.

I also disagree on your other point that I quoted. People switch to formula for lost of reasons, ease not being at the top of the list. Laziness, misinformation, poor education, social pressure and working situations are much more common reasons.

Personally I think that if anyone switched thinking i'd be easier, they'd be sorely disappointed. First because it's not easier. Second because it's not free and third because most good mothers don't feel swell about cheating their child out of proper nourishment for convenience sake.
post #100 of 420
By the way, I've FF, pumped and bottle fed and exclusively breastfed.
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