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DH caught a guy trying to steal our credit card info tonight  

post #1 of 16
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Something financially disastrous could have happened to us tonight, if not for DH's quick thinking. So let me ask you, how would you have reacted? What would you have done? I'm posting this because I hope that other people will think long and hard before giving out any personal financial info over the phone!

DH caught a credit-card scam tonight. We recently applied for a new bank credit card from our bank that has a lower rate than our current/old card, which we have through a credit union. Someone called us out of the blue tonight saying they were from our bank, trying to solicit a balance transfer from our old credit card to the one we just applied for ( my card arrived in the mail last week but DH's never did - definitely fishy..). They said if we transferred balance they'd give us this insanely low interest rate, and all they needed was the number from our old credit union credit card. This guy knew our address, the last 4 digits of our account number for our bank, and what kind of card we had applied for (but all the info was stuff he could have gotten off a piece of stolen bank mail). DH, being the smart cookie he is, told them he wasn't comfortable giving the number out over the phone and wanted to call the bank itself and verify that the call was legit first. The caller guy even put his 'supervisor' on the line who said the call was totally legit, and even gave DH an 800 number to call to verify. Again, DH was smart enough to not call that number and instead called the number for bank security from the back of my card, and kept the other guys on hold on the other line. They even stayed on, so convinced were they of our stupidity apparently. But bank security got on the line and said that they will NEVER call to solicit a balance transfer and will NEVER ask for your credit card number or full account number over the phone like that. It was a total scam. The guy hung right up when DH told him Bank security said it was not an authorized call. Needless to say we canceled the new cards and got bank security to put a fraud alert on our account, just in case. They also alerted Equifax about possible fraud.

I want everyone to know about this, so no one will have to get mired in the endless nightmare of credit card fraud. This caller kept trying to confuse DH, kept giving him personal information like our address ( "How would I know your address and information if I wasn't a real bank employee?", he said), and trying to distract him with chitchat. He never once read off the whole account number, so basically this person likely intercepted our mail somehow and was using it as part of a huge scam. He claimed to be in Guam, and when DH asked if he could call him back after speaking to our bank, he said the offer expired when the phone call ended. Fishy all around. So, if you get a call like this, PLEASE, use a cell phone or other phone and call your bank directly from a number off a genuine bank document ( NOT the number the caller gives you), and verify, BEFORE giving out any personal info at all. Give bank security all info you can get on the fishy caller. Bank security made DH answer 3 multiple choice questions just to verify his identity - what kind of car he had, whether our last property was a rental or own, and his mother's name. THEN security moved on to asking our address and the like, before even accessing our account info for us. After verifying it was a scam, the bank asked for the number the caller ID had on the caller, and the number that they told us to call to 'verify'. They said they can use all of that to open a fraud investigation on the caller. So, if this happens, take down those numbers. Call your bank to alert them about a fraud attempt. Cancel your card if need be. Please protect your financial information like the potentially disastrous thing it could be!

DH is a police officer and deals with fraud and theft all the time. He says so many cases could be prevented if people just applied common sense - Dont give out any personal financial info over the phone unless you initiated the call ( like calling the bank with a question about getting a new interest rate or something), and if an offer sounds really good but has an 'expiration' (like in this case, when the call ended), its 99.99% of the time a scam. Real bank employees know such offers don't expire, so they will allow you to call them back. And usually, they send you the offer in writing, NOT on the phone.

OK - preaching done!

Lisa
post #2 of 16
WOW. good for your DH--that is so scary!
post #3 of 16
Thanks for posting this! Good info!
post #4 of 16
Seriously scary! Yeah, I think it's good to remind people that you never, ever give that information out unless YOU called THEM for something, and then only if you're calling the bank directly from the number on your card or statement--not from, say, an e-mail you received. We got a call from Citibank one day attempting to verify our card and personal because there was a fraud threat to our account (and thousands of others--they'd had a security breach). They read every piece of our account info TO ME and didn't ask me to provide them with anything. Then they closed our accounts and reissued the cards.

Good for your DH for catching it!
post #5 of 16
That's great that your dh caught that. And thanks for posting. It shows how insidious these scammers can be.
post #6 of 16
Wow how scary! Thanks for the reminder though!
post #7 of 16
This applies exactly the same way to email. Just like your DH was smart and didn't call the 800 number THEY provided to verify, you should never click a link in an email supposedly from your bank and follow it to give out personal information.

Scammers are very good at fooling you with these phishing scams, I get them all the time. Being in software, I can see the scam for what it is, but others cannot. Often you will get a link that looks like its going to your bank, but is actually going to their site, they do this by making the text of the link the URL you think you are going to, but making the actual URL something else. And they also try to fool you by making that hidden link look like its also legitimate, if you hover over a link, it shows where its really going, but they'll make it lead to www.bankofamerica.com.34324323.com/blahlbahblah. Even though that has bankofamerica.com in it, it is not going there, its the first word before the LAST .com (or .net, etc) that is the domain, the rest is just what they decided to name their computer.

You also can't rely on just looking at the Address bar in your browser when you open the link, because these scammers are really good at faking the look of the website and the address bar to make you think its legitimate.

If you ever get any email from a bank or company asking you to provide any personal info or credit card, close the email, open your web browser and type in the appropriate URL directly. If you log into your account that way, if the company *really* did want you do something, there would be a message for you there which would pop right up and be made super obvious.

I just figured this was a good thread to add that info to!

More info on phishing scams:

http://www.microsoft.com/protect/you.../identify.mspx
http://www.antiphishing.org/consumer_recs.html

Carry on.
post #8 of 16
Wow, thanks for the reminder! I like to think i wouldn't have fallen for it. I never, ever buy anything or accept any offer made over an unsolicited phone call or email. Period. End of story. I just never know if it's a scam or not. Plus even if it is ledgit I like to have the paper work in my hands so I can tell if it's really a good deal or not. Like a credit card that looks like it has really low intrest but has all sorts of hidden charges. Or the rate goes way up after 4 months or whatever. I need to look at the fine print.
post #9 of 16
Wow!

I am impressed your DH was smart enough to recognize the scam
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by mightymoo View Post
This applies exactly the same way to email. Just like your DH was smart and didn't call the 800 number THEY provided to verify, you should never click a link in an email supposedly from your bank and follow it to give out personal information.

Scammers are very good at fooling you with these phishing scams, I get them all the time. Being in software, I can see the scam for what it is, but others cannot. Often you will get a link that looks like its going to your bank, but is actually going to their site, they do this by making the text of the link the URL you think you are going to, but making the actual URL something else. And they also try to fool you by making that hidden link look like its also legitimate, if you hover over a link, it shows where its really going, but they'll make it lead to www.bankofamerica.com.34324323.com/blahlbahblah. Even though that has bankofamerica.com in it, it is not going there, its the first word before the LAST .com (or .net, etc) that is the domain, the rest is just what they decided to name their computer.

You also can't rely on just looking at the Address bar in your browser when you open the link, because these scammers are really good at faking the look of the website and the address bar to make you think its legitimate.

If you ever get any email from a bank or company asking you to provide any personal info or credit card, close the email, open your web browser and type in the appropriate URL directly. If you log into your account that way, if the company *really* did want you do something, there would be a message for you there which would pop right up and be made super obvious.

I just figured this was a good thread to add that info to!

More info on phishing scams:

http://www.microsoft.com/protect/you.../identify.mspx
http://www.antiphishing.org/consumer_recs.html

Carry on.
Yes! Thanks for adding this! There needs to be as much info out there on these scams as possible!

What the bank told us to do, when a scam is apparent, to help catch these guys:
1. Write down the phone number they are calling you from ( if you have caller ID).
2. Act interested, but only so gain their confidance long enough to try and get some personal info out of them - the scammer's name, where their 'office' is, what time it is there, etc. Dh asked the guy, since it was 8 pm here, if they had to work late all the time, and got the guy to admit that it was a massive time difference ( about 16 hours), and that he was in Guam, where the weather was hot.
3. Once you end the call, get on with bank security and give them all the info you could gather.
post #11 of 16
now that i'm thinking about it, i think this "telemarketing" call i've been getting a lot lately probably has been a scam. its this recording that says that if i have a visa or mastercard that i can get a special lower fixed rate and to press 9 to speak with a representative. i was kinda curious which credit card company this was from (since i have 2 different major credit cards) and wanted them to stop calling me. i asked the lady which credit card company she was calling from, and she said that this was good if i had a visa or mastercard. well, that didnt help since i didnt remember what each one was. she claimed she could get some some low rate. she had no info about my accounts, but just kept saying that it was good for visas and mastercards. when i told her i paid off my balances in full each month, she said i wouldnt qualify and would take me off the calling list.

weird, huh? i should look into my caller ID and see if the number is in there.

who would i call to report something like this?
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by xmysticprincessx View Post
now that i'm thinking about it, i think this "telemarketing" call i've been getting a lot lately probably has been a scam. its this recording that says that if i have a visa or mastercard that i can get a special lower fixed rate and to press 9 to speak with a representative. i was kinda curious which credit card company this was from (since i have 2 different major credit cards) and wanted them to stop calling me. i asked the lady which credit card company she was calling from, and she said that this was good if i had a visa or mastercard. well, that didnt help since i didnt remember what each one was. she claimed she could get some some low rate. she had no info about my accounts, but just kept saying that it was good for visas and mastercards. when i told her i paid off my balances in full each month, she said i wouldnt qualify and would take me off the calling list.

weird, huh? i should look into my caller ID and see if the number is in there.

who would i call to report something like this?
I'd say call your credit card companies.
post #13 of 16
We get calls and emails like those described here all the time. I don't open bank-related emails, ever, b/c if I need to know something, the bank will send a letter, provide a message upon login, etc. We also don't answer calls like this. Actually, we don't answer our phone at all, unless we know who it is and want to talk to them. Can you say answering machine screens calls?
post #14 of 16
Wow that is scary! Great information here! Thanks for sharing!
post #15 of 16
Another great resource - http://whocalled.us - this is a site where users just tell what they know about a number that called them, you can add your experience to it. So if you get a call from a strange number trying to sell you something, you can see what information others have about that number, and if you know its a scam - you can add that information to warn others. That credit card offer thing is something I've gotten too and I looked it up on whocalled! Great site.
post #16 of 16
Also, remember that they can now make caller id numbers look legit, too. They can be faked.

I recevied a phone call from Dell Financial a number of years ago. They said they were checking on a recent application for credit and on an order for $3,000 worth of computers. The representative wanted to verify the last four digits of my social security number. Well, I told him I was not giving out my number to someone who had called me (he was very understanding) but I asked him for his call back number. He gave it to me. I did a little investigating online and it was a legit number.

I called him back and sure enough, someone had stolen my SSN and was using my maiden name and a shortened version of my first name.

So, I was saved a lot of hassle because they called. It was still a lot of work to get a police report, get the account canceled, get the info off of my credit reports, etc. But, I didn't have to fight with them trying to tell me I owed them $3,000.

Anytime there is a high pressure to give info or you're told that the offer ends when they hang up it is a scam. Legit callers will understand your concerns for safety.

Also, remember to check your credit card statements and bank accounts online at least on a weekly basis. I've had my info stolen a number of times and can't figure out how people are getting it (we shred everything and we are on permanent opt out for offers) so I try and check ours daily.
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