Eliminating Foods while Breastfeeding Support Thread - Page 7

[Shelsi]

On another board I am on they were talking about making gravy with quinoa flour. They said just to use olive oil, quinoa flour, and onion for a little extra flavor. I know many of us can't do onions but it might be nice to have a gravy anyhow!

I was wondering. Can you make some sort of batter with quinoa or rice flour and water? Then I could essentially fry some turkey? I'm just trying to come up with ways to spice things up a bit while on the TED.

[stacey0402]

Originally Posted by Shelsi

On another board I am on they were talking about making gravy with quinoa flour. They said just to use olive oil, quinoa flour, and onion for a little extra flavor. I know many of us can't do onions but it might be nice to have a gravy anyhow!

I was wondering. Can you make some sort of batter with quinoa or rice flour and water? Then I could essentially fry some turkey? I'm just trying to come up with ways to spice things up a bit while on the TED.

We made gravy using pan drippings (from roasted turkey) and rice flour. It was yummy. For our holiday turkey we brined the turkey in salt water overnight and then roasted it basting only once with a little canola oil.

I make cookie dough out of 1 cup rice flour, 1/2 cup sugar, 1/4 cup oil, and enough rice milk to make it the texture of cookie dough. You can bake it, but I never make it that far. I also add about 1/2 cup of canned pumpkin to that recipe and cook up some dense (but very tastey) muffins. I cook at 350 until done...it takes a little while, but I check after 15 minutes.

[mtn.mama]

We had brown rice gravy at Xmas. It was delicious. I don't think you'll get satisfactory results trying to use rice or quinoa flour for breading. But buckwheat or potato starch should work well...

[kdtmom2be]

Oh my, there are a lot of us aren't there? My DD reacts to garlic and onions. I'm really glad that I figured it out but boy is our food bland these days! We're also having mild excema issues with dairy, but luckily only when DD has dairy, not when I have dairy, so I'm hoping that she'll outgrow it still. (she's currently 7 months). She had the same trouble a few months ago when I ate dairy but that has cleared up. Back came the excema over the holidays when she was accidentally fed mashed potatoes with milk in them. It took a few days for the rash to show up and a few weeks for it to go away!!

Good luck mamas! I can't imagine what a pain the TED is, my heart goes out to you.

[Shelsi]

I don't know if things are improving or not. I'm on day 4 of the TED. After the first 2 days I concluded that dd is sensitive to rice because she got horribly worse on the TED. So I switched to quinoa. Her poop is no longer neon green but they are brownish orange and totally like liquid water. It's very much like diarhea and she's been pooping for the past 3 days or so all day long which is not usual for her. Her skin does seem to be clearing up soon but that might be because we also have been slathering on the lotion. She seems a little calmer and is more able to be put down but she also learned to sit up unassisted yesterday and I know a lot of babies are happier once they learn to sit. Sleep last night was OK....I think it could have been better but I pumped at 10 pm last night because she's going to need a bottle or 2 tomorrow. She then woke at 10:45 wanting to eat and was fussing like crazy because there wasn't anything there. I finally got her back to sleep and she woke back up at 1 to eat. Then she woke herself up pooping around 3-ish (something she's never done before btw) and nursed back to sleep. Woke at 5 and was nursed again, then re-woke at 5:30 and I was able to pat her back to sleep. I suppose that is improvement. Usually if she's awake she must be picked up but she let me pat her back to sleep without picking her up.

~sigh~ I guess I was just hoping for some miraculous change so I would have encouragement and motivation to keep going. She did fall asleep fairly easy today for her nap.

I have a question about the TED? How long do I go before I start adding food back in? I'm really unclear about it. Is it just a matter of waiting until I think she's better? Do I just wait 2 weeks for the dairy to be out of my system completely and then start? Is dairy the thing that takes the longest? It'll prob take forever to get out of my system lol...I am a milk-aholic and drank 1 gallon every other day or so.

[AquariusHome]

Hello! I am desperate for some help figuring out which foods to start eliminating. Ellie is 10 weeks old and has been getting worse over time with spitting up. Its gotten to the point now where she has serious major projectile vomits (sometimes 8 or 10) after every feeding. She's also getting fussier by the day it seems. The past few days she is almost never comfortable. She's either starving or for an hour after meals shes miserable and throwing up. I dread feeding her because I know it is all going to start over again. We can't set her down for play time or even to change a diaper without 3 or 4 huge vomits. She also has had a stuffy nose since 2 weeks of age, periodic rash on her face, and sometimes green mucousy stools that yesterday had specks of blood. I'm on day 6 with no dairy or soy and today added nuts to the elimination but things are getting worse by the day. So far my food diary isn't very revealing because lately she's terrible all the time. She generally gets about 4-6 oz over 1 or 2 feedings of milk based formula too because of low supply issues and she will not take Alimentum. I'm really hoping to eliminate the formula soon, but she seems slightly better after those feedings.

Any thoughts/ suggestions???
Laurie

[mtn.mama]

Rachel- I wouldn't add any foods in until my baby hits baseline (or everything but eczema goes away). It will take at least three weeks for the dairy to exit your systems.

Laurie- How about doing a total elimination diet instead of an ED?

[veganone]

Originally Posted by LaurieG

She generally gets about 4-6 oz over 1 or 2 feedings of milk based formula too because of low supply issues and she will not take Alimentum. I'm really hoping to eliminate the formula soon, but she seems slightly better after those feedings.

Any thoughts/ suggestions???
Laurie

I know that Nutramigen makes a soy-based one... I know it's scary, too, but it might be better than just regular formula.

I'm sorry you're struggling. We still are too. I can't figure out what else I can not eat and still function! They need to make a hypo-allergenic formula for bfing moms!

[veganone]

Speaking of formulas - does anyone have any idea why they don't just make a few formulas out of less allergenic proteins? Why are they all milk or soy? It seems like a quinoa or oat or rice formula would be much simpler than the hydrolyzed protein formulas...

[stacey0402]

Originally Posted by LaurieG

Hello! I am desperate for some help figuring out which foods to start eliminating. Ellie is 10 weeks old and has been getting worse over time with spitting up. Its gotten to the point now where she has serious major projectile vomits (sometimes 8 or 10) after every feeding. She's also getting fussier by the day it seems. The past few days she is almost never comfortable. She's either starving or for an hour after meals shes miserable and throwing up. I dread feeding her because I know it is all going to start over again. We can't set her down for play time or even to change a diaper without 3 or 4 huge vomits. She also has had a stuffy nose since 2 weeks of age, periodic rash on her face, and sometimes green mucousy stools that yesterday had specks of blood. I'm on day 6 with no dairy or soy and today added nuts to the elimination but things are getting worse by the day. So far my food diary isn't very revealing because lately she's terrible all the time. She generally gets about 4-6 oz over 1 or 2 feedings of milk based formula too because of low supply issues and she will not take Alimentum. I'm really hoping to eliminate the formula soon, but she seems slightly better after those feedings.

Any thoughts/ suggestions???
Laurie

Alimentum powder has a corn-derived ingredient, so if that's the culprit you won't see improvement. Alimentum Ready-to-feed has no corn.

veganone- I don't really know why. There's is Neocate (prescription-only) that works really well for babies that cannot tolerate other hypoallergenic formulas.

On a personal note...Eric is doing very well the last 2 days. I thought we were going to have to stop bf'ing because he had a few diapers with lots of old blood in them but then it just stopped. I am dairy, soy, and gluten-free. I am convinced ds is gluten-intolerant because even on my dairy and soy-free diet he was miserable. Not until taking out the gluten did things get better. He *finally* does not have diarrhea. It had gotten so bad that his stools were thin liquid and nothing else. I never thought I'd be happy to see the return of his mucus-filled diapers So, in a few days we'll test his stool for blood and if there is none I can keep eating everything I currently am. If there is blood I'll go back to a TED. ::crossing fingers::

[stacey0402]

Originally Posted by veganone

I'm sorry you're struggling. We still are too. I can't figure out what else I can not eat and still function! They need to make a hypo-allergenic formula for bfing moms!

I just reread this... Alimentum and Nutramigen are *supposed* to be hypoallergenic. Our allergist does not like them (not sure why) and wrote us a prescription for Neocate. Its really expensive, and quite often insurance will not pay for it. In AZ it is mandatory for insurance to pay for it. I'm off on a tangent Anyway, Neocate is tolerated very well by babies with extensive allergies and intolerances.

[Shelsi]

Originally Posted by mtn.mama

Rachel- I wouldn't add any foods in until my baby hits baseline (or everything but eczema goes away). It will take at least three weeks for the dairy to exit your systems.

How do I know what "base-line" is though? She's always been fussy. There was a nice 2 week period when she was about 2 mos old where she was sleeping 10 hrs straight at night. Then we went on vacation and it's been messed up every since. There are so many variables right now. She's had a cold for the past 3 weeks and she's still pretty stuffed up at times and can't breathe. She's teething really hard but we can't really give her anything because of the allergy issue. I know teething tablets have lactose in them but we tried them anyways last night and they didn't help at all. Her poop is diarhea and has been for almost a week now...but that could be a side effect of teething right? Also, this morning she is back to green poop instead of brown Remind me why I am doing this? Nothings changing at all! Maybe she's just a fussy, non-sleeping, dry skin, green poop kind of kid?

On a positive note, I had some chicken last night since I ran out of turkey and I discovered that chicken makes me gassy lol. So at least I've gotten one thing out of this diet lol. Dh says he's never letting me eat chicken again haha.

[veganone]

I have the same question about "baseline". Dd is never good - she has the random, yellow, seedy poop (once a month maybe), but even if I eat the SAME stuff as I at the day or two before the yellow poop, we're back to green, mucous the next poop.

I did notice blood after re-introducing soy, but we were only to blood-free, not healthy.

[stacey0402]

baseline for Eric is no blood in his stool. All other symptoms are tolerable and not harming ds. We only know for sure he has no blood when we have his stool samples tested. It is often not something you can see. Eric is super fussy and won't sleep when we forget to give him his Zantac.

[veganone]

See if your doctor's office will let you take some of the blood screen things home - we got some last time with the dropper of liquid and can test at home now. We only have 5, but I test every other day or so to see how she's doing.

I guess we'll be using blood-free for baseline, too. Thanks.

Oh, and I can't imagine life without Zantac now. I did have a pharmacist tell me that it can affect digestion, so may play a roll in the irritated gut. How many of the food intollerence babes have reflux too??? I wonder how common the link is.

[Shelsi]

Dd has a well baby check up on the 22nd. Maybe we should try to get in sooner?

[welsh]

Intro

Hi All- I'm on Day 1 of the Sears Elimination Diet which basically consists of turkey, lamb, potatoes, rice, squash and pears. My DS is nearly 5 mo and has been gassy with mucousy green explosive stools pretty much since birth. I had previously cut out dairy and we'd had some improvement but then during the holidays we had a lot of visitors and went on vacation so my diet wasn't great....
I had decided that my treat could be dark chocolate as it didn't have milk in it! well eating whole bars in one day clearly didn't agree with DS. His stools are yellow but he has had large blobs of mucous in them over the past few days and last night was crying in his sleep and was very gassy. On vacation, I also had quite a bit of shellfish, beef, wine....
So rather than guesswork I'm going to do the ED and go from there.
I should mention that I saw some tiny streaks of red blood in his stool and the ped. found a small anal fissure...poor little guy.
Lastly, what source do you get your calcium from? The supplements I'm taking seem to make me constipated which isn't fun.
Emma

[kdtmom2be]

Originally Posted by veganone

Speaking of formulas - does anyone have any idea why they don't just make a few formulas out of less allergenic proteins? Why are they all milk or soy? It seems like a quinoa or oat or rice formula would be much simpler than the hydrolyzed protein formulas...

If you can find a formula that has trypsin on the label you might have better luck. Trypsin is a digestive enzyme that digests milk proteins and that should reduce the allergenicity as well as make it easier to digest. The only one that I can think of for sure that has it is Nestle, but you'll have to read labels and give it a shot.

[Shelsi]

I need some

Yesterday morning when I woke up I felt strange. I felt sort of shaky and like my heart was racing. I thought I was just nervous though because I was going in for some really minor surgery and I knew it was gonna hurt. I stayed that way until the early afternoon (the surgery was in the morning....for some weird reason they didn't do my blood pressure before so I don't know if all my vital signs were normal or not). Yesterday evening I felt pretty good over all, had lots of energy, etc. Last night was a really rough night with Alexia. She was up every 90 mins or so crying. I did notice that everytime I got up I was sort of off balance but I was also half asleep. This morning however when I got up I felt really REALLY strange. Sort of dizzy like but not quite. I was shaky and I just kept feeling like I could just pass out and go unconscious at any moment. I drank a bottle of water and laid back down but didn't feel any better. I actually started to feel nauseous. I figured eating something might help but, being nauseous, I didn't want to eat any of the stuff from the TED. So I told dh to just make me some toast with butter. After I ate the toast, within 10 mins, I was feeling pretty good again. It's been about 2 hrs now and I still a little strange but much much better than this morning.

I feel like whatever happened is related to this diet. Either it's withdrawal (although that seems a little extreme, it's just food withdrawal not crack withdrawal lol) or my body just isn't getting what it needs on this diet.

Dh wants me to go back to just being corn-free and I'm considering it. I know I'm only on day 6 but Alexia hasn't gotten any better at all. Her skin is *maybe* better but we've also been slathering on the lotion. She's waking up more not less and her poop is still green and diarhea like.

I feel like this diet is making me sick for no reason at all. I just don't know where to go from here.

ETA: After talking it over with dh he thinks I should try and just add in one food and see how I feel. He thinks I should do eggs because they have lots of vitamins/nutrients and will make me feel better. I would like to try to stay off dairy since I've made it this far (minus the toast & butter this morning!). And if she starts spitting up again then we'll know egg is an issue, right? Does this seem like an OK plan? It's certainly not a TED but it's also not just an ED either. Something just has to give and I can't have these blacking out spells. Dh is leaving in less than a week and I really fear feeling that sick and not being able to take care of my kids even if it only lasts a few minutes.

[AquariusHome]

Thanks to everyone for the replies. I didn't know there were different ingrdients in Nutramagen powder vs ready to feed. We got 3 big cans from the ped of Nutramegen Friday as samples but I doubt she'll like it any better than the Alimentum. We're so close to not needing formula at all but just can't get over the hump. One day (thurs I think) all her supplements were BM , but then the next day I eliminated my mothers milk tea (which was really helping) and she threw up so much less that I haven't gone back. So now I'm dairy/ soy/ nuts/ and Mothers Milk tea free and things are much improved but still not what I would like, and my supply is down again. And without the tea messing things up I can tell she definitely reacts to the dairy formula. We're going to try the Soy formula today.